Aligned cleric - Revision history

Ray Chason: Fix the name and the tile

2026-05-14T04:34:48Z

Fix the name and the tile

Joes: one may be asked for multiple protections

2026-05-12T09:39:05Z

one may be asked for multiple protections

Todb: /* Baseline calculation */ Just one paragraph, minor language update

2026-05-11T23:03:55Z

‎Baseline calculation: Just one paragraph, minor language update

Todb: /* Donations */ Be explicit about the amount of gold one must donate for protection, since that's the usual use case.

2026-05-11T23:02:30Z

‎Donations: Be explicit about the amount of gold one must donate for protection, since that's the usual use case.

Umbire the Phantom: /* SLASH'EM */ mention priest quest

2026-05-06T12:29:31Z

‎SLASH'EM: mention priest quest

Ais523: /* Donations */ the largest mistake in this section is fixed now, so it doesn't need a warning note any more

2026-05-06T03:40:00Z

‎Donations: the largest mistake in this section is fixed now, so it doesn't need a warning note any more

Choedev: /* Donations */ remove two orphan words

2026-05-05T13:40:11Z

‎Donations: remove two orphan words

Choedev: /* Donations */ update -> updated

2026-05-05T13:39:28Z

‎Donations: update -> updated

Choedev: /* Donations */ Fix logic

2026-05-05T13:38:55Z

‎Donations: Fix logic

Choedev: /* Donations */ Fix typo

2026-05-05T10:00:38Z

‎Donations: Fix typo

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 {{monster
   |difficulty=15
   |level=12

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 The cheapskate penalty starts at 0 and increases by 40 for each cheapskate donation made. The value is tracked per cleric, so cheapskate values for one cleric at one temple will not transfer to other clerics.
-Unlike in version 3.6.7, the cost for donation effects is scaled based on the player's ''maximum'' experience level, so casting [[drain life]] at yourself to decrease your level will not decrease donation costs. In practice, this means that the 3.6.7 standard of donating 400*XL gold now means there is a ''50% chance'' of gaining protection in 5.0.0, while donating 500*XL gold guarantees a 100% chance (assuming no cheapskate modifiers and the other conditions are met).
+Unlike in version 3.6.7, the cost for donation effects is scaled based on the player's ''maximum'' experience level, so casting [[drain life]] at yourself to decrease your level will not decrease donation costs. In practice, this means that the 3.6.7 standard of carrying 400*XL gold now means there is a ''50% chance'' of gaining protection in 5.0.0, while carrying 500*XL gold guarantees a 100% chance (assuming no cheapskate modifiers and the other conditions are met).
 ===Hostile clerics===

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 The cheapskate penalty starts at 0 and increases by 40 for each cheapskate donation made. The value is tracked per cleric, so cheapskate values for one cleric at one temple will not transfer to other clerics.
-Unlike in version 3.6.7, the cost for donation effects is scaled based on the player's ''maximum'' experience level, so casting [[drain life]] at yourself to decrease your level will not decrease donation costs.
+Unlike in version 3.6.7, the cost for donation effects is scaled based on the player's ''maximum'' experience level, so casting [[drain life]] at yourself to decrease your level will not decrease donation costs. In practice, this means that the 3.6.7 standard of donating 400*XL gold now means there is a ''50% chance'' of gaining protection in 5.0.0, while donating 500*XL gold guarantees a 100% chance (assuming no cheapskate modifiers and the other conditions are met).
 ===Hostile clerics===

← Older revision		Revision as of 23:02, 11 May 2026
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	Unlike in version 3.6.7, the cost for donation effects is scaled based on the player's ''maximum'' experience level, so casting [[drain life]] at yourself to decrease your level will not decrease donation costs.		Unlike in version 3.6.7, the cost for donation effects is scaled based on the player's ''maximum'' experience level, so casting [[drain life]] at yourself to decrease your level will not decrease donation costs.
		+
		+	In practice, this means that the 3.6.7 standard of 400XL now means there is a ''50% chance'' of gaining protection in 5.0.0, while 500XL guarantees a 100% chance (assuming no cheapskate modifiers and the other conditions are met).

	===Hostile clerics===		===Hostile clerics===

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 ===SLASH'EM===
-In [[SLASH'EM]], an aligned priest of Moloch will always be generated as hostile, meaning that the temple priest in the Valley of the Dead cannot be used for services.
+In [[SLASH'EM]], an aligned priest of Moloch will always be generated as hostile, meaning that the temple priests in the Priest quest and the Valley of the Dead cannot be used for services.
 The [[Lawful Quest]] contains a coaligned priest in a room with a coaligned altar, but it is ''not'' a temple: this is a trap designed to trick a hero into chatting with the priest, which will make them hostile.

← Older revision		Revision as of 03:40, 6 May 2026
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	==Donations==		==Donations==
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−	~~{{todo\|This section is inaccurate and doesn't match the actual game – someone should check it against the source.~~
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−	Update: I think I've found and fixed the issue, although there may still be an error. Remove this note if this updated explanation seems correct. --[[User:Choedev\|Choedev]] ([[User talk:Choedev\|talk]]) 13:38, 5 May 2026 (UTC)}}

	By [[chatting]] to a temple's cleric, the hero can donate gold for a variety of effects. If they have no gold in open inventory and are co-aligned, the cleric will "give you two bits for an ale" (two [[zorkmid]]s) if they have any gold, or one bit if they only have that—they will "preach the virtues of poverty" if they have no gold. Doing so with a cross-aligned cleric will cause them to ignore you.		By [[chatting]] to a temple's cleric, the hero can donate gold for a variety of effects. If they have no gold in open inventory and are co-aligned, the cleric will "give you two bits for an ale" (two [[zorkmid]]s) if they have any gold, or one bit if they only have that—they will "preach the virtues of poverty" if they have no gold. Doing so with a cross-aligned cleric will cause them to ignore you.

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 {{todo|This section is inaccurate and doesn't match the actual game – someone should check it against the source.
-Update: I think I've found and fixed the issue, although there may still be an error. Remove this note if this updated explanation seems correct. --[[User:Choedev|Choedev]] ([[User talk:Choedev|talk]]) 13:38, 5 May 2026 (UTC)choedev}}
+Update: I think I've found and fixed the issue, although there may still be an error. Remove this note if this updated explanation seems correct. --[[User:Choedev|Choedev]] ([[User talk:Choedev|talk]]) 13:38, 5 May 2026 (UTC)}}
 By [[chatting]] to a temple's cleric, the hero can donate gold for a variety of effects. If they have no gold in open inventory and are co-aligned, the cleric will "give you two bits for an ale" (two [[zorkmid]]s) if they have any gold, or one bit if they only have that&mdash;they will "preach the virtues of poverty" if they have no gold. Doing so with a cross-aligned cleric will cause them to ignore you.
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 * If they have not performed this action in the last 5000 turns, and their alignment is less than 0, it is reset to 0.
 * Otherwise, they gain 2 alignment points.
-|}baseline
+|}
 ===Baseline calculation===

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 ==Donations==
-{{todo|This section is inaccurate and doesn't match the actual game – someone should check it against the source.}}
+{{todo|This section is inaccurate and doesn't match the actual game – someone should check it against the source.
 By [[chatting]] to a temple's cleric, the hero can donate gold for a variety of effects. If they have no gold in open inventory and are co-aligned, the cleric will "give you two bits for an ale" (two [[zorkmid]]s) if they have any gold, or one bit if they only have that&mdash;they will "preach the virtues of poverty" if they have no gold. Doing so with a cross-aligned cleric will cause them to ignore you.
-If the hero is carrying gold in open inventory, the cleric will prompt the player for a contribution to the temple. The player will be provided two suggested donation amounts, with the first called the ''baseline'' and the second being 2*''baseline''. The accompanying effect will depend on the amount of gold offered:{{reffunc|priest.c|priest_talk}}
+If the hero is carrying gold in open inventory, the cleric will prompt the player for a contribution to the temple. The player will be provided two suggested donation amounts, with the second being double the first. These amounts are calculated using a combination of the player's gold in open inventory and their ''baseline''. The accompanying effect will depend on the amount of gold offered:{{reffunc|priest.c|priest_talk}}
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 !Offer
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 ''"Thou shalt regret thine action!"''
 |-
-|Positive but less than ''baseline''
+|Positive but less than the first donation amount
 |If this is less than one third of the hero's visible gold (before donation), increase cheapskate penalty by 40.
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 ''"I thank thee for thy contribution."''
 |-
-|At least ''baseline'' but less than 2*''baseline''
+|At least the first donation amount but less than the second donation amount
 |''"Thou art indeed a pious individual."''
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 ''"I bestow upon thee a blessing."''
 |-
-|At least 2*''baseline'' but less than 3*''baseline''
+|At least the second donation amount but less than 3*''first donation amount''
+|Attempts to provide intrinsic protection ''gold in inventory''/(2*''baseline'') times.
-If the hero has no [[intrinsic protection]], earn 2&ndash;4 points of protection. Otherwise, if they have less than 9 protection, or less than 20 with a 1-in-current-protection chance, earn an additional point of protection. Note that these limits make no distinction between protection bought and protection granted as a [[prayer|favor]]. <!--Repeat this because newbies keep asking it-->This can be done with a peaceful cleric at a temple to any god, so long as it is not desecrated, and is the preferred way to obtain protection. (See also the article on [[protection racket]]s.)
+For each attempted protection boon, if the hero has no [[intrinsic protection]], earn 2&ndash;4 points of protection. Otherwise, if they have less than 9 protection, or less than 20 with a 1-in-current-protection chance, earn an additional point of protection. Note that these limits make no distinction between protection bought and protection granted as a [[prayer|favor]]. <!--Repeat this because newbies keep asking it-->This can be done with a peaceful cleric at a temple to any god, so long as it is not desecrated, and is the preferred way to obtain protection. (See also the article on [[protection racket]]s.)
 ''"Thou hast been rewarded for thy devotion."''
 |-
-|At least 3*''baseline''
+|At least 3*''first donation amount''
 |''"Thy selfless generosity is deeply appreciated."''
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 * If they have not performed this action in the last 5000 turns, and their alignment is less than 0, it is reset to 0.
 * Otherwise, they gain 2 alignment points.
-|}
+|}baseline
 ===Baseline calculation===
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 # Add the player's cheapskate penalty
 # Multiply by the player's maximum experience level
-# Multiply by ''gold in inventory'' / (3*''current value''), or do nothing if this is zero. This has the effect of scaling up the baseline to approximately one third of the player's current gold.
 The cheapskate penalty starts at 0 and increases by 40 for each cheapskate donation made. The value is tracked per cleric, so cheapskate values for one cleric at one temple will not transfer to other clerics.
 Unlike in version 3.6.7, the cost for donation effects is scaled based on the player's ''maximum'' experience level, so casting [[drain life]] at yourself to decrease your level will not decrease donation costs.
 ===Hostile clerics===