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'''Armor shredding''' is a [[damage type]] that occurs in [[dNetHack]], [[notdNetHack]] and [[notnotdNetHack]], and uses the <tt>'''AD_SHRD'''</tt> damage type flag. Armor shredding attacks that hit a hero or monster will lower the enchantment of affected [[armor]], and can even destroy armor that has lost enough enchantment.

==Description==
An attack that deals armor shredding damage will disenchant an armor piece by one point if it hits. This destroys the target piece outright once it falls below -5 unless the armor in question is an artifact, in which case it avoids being shredded but not the disenchantment. The target piece of armor is chosen at random for every attack.

[[Demogorgon (dNetHack)|Demogorgon's]] armor-rending 'claw' attack is unique in a few aspects: it only occurs if both of his previous claw attacks land and behaves as normal when disenchanting armor, reducing the enchantment of the affected armor and destroying it once it reaches a negative enchantment equal to their combined AC + DR, unless it is an [[artifact]]. Unlike other rending or flaying attacks, if the target of Demogorgon's rending claw attack does not have body armor, Demogorgon will instead [[Instant death|rend through them]].
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 An attack that deals armor-shredding damage&ndash;which uses the <tt>'''AD_SHRD'''</tt> damage type flag&ndash;will disenchant a random armor piece by one point if it hits: if a non-artifact piece of armor would be disenchanted enough to provide 0 [[AC]] or [[DR]] combined, it will instead be destroyed, while artifact armor is disenchanted as normal. The armor piece is chosen at random, with shredding only targeting the outermost layer of worn armor, i.e. [[body armor]] will never be chosen if covered by a [[cloak]], and [[shirt]]s will never be chosen if they are covered by body armor. After any disenchanting and/or destruction has occurred, [[physical damage]] is dealt as with a normal attack.
-[[Demogorgon (dNetHack)|Demogorgon]] and [[Blibdoolpoolp, graven-into-flesh]] (the [[Drow Healer]] [[quest nemesis]]) both have special [[rending]] attacks that deal armor-shredding damage: these disenchant the randomly selected armor by 1d4+1 points instead of 1, and as with other shred attacks any damage "left over" after a piece of armor is destroyed will not be applied, with the attack having no further effect in that case; the attacks can also destroy artifact armor the same way as with normal armor, though with only a {{frac|10}} chance (10%) of doing so. If the attack targets a hero or monster with no body armor and selects a body armor slot, the attack will shred '''them''' instead, resulting in [[instant death]]&mdash;[[incorporeal]] and [[amorphous]] targets "merely" take double damage when this occurs, as they lack a meaningful body to rip apart. As rending attacks, Demogorgon and Blibdoolpoolp will only use these rending attacks after both of their previous attacks successfully hit, and Blibdoolpoolp only uses her rending attack as part of the routine she switches to against a hero with high [[insight]].
+[[Demogorgon (dNetHack)|Demogorgon]] and [[Blibdoolpoolp, graven-into-flesh]] (the [[Drow Healer]] [[quest nemesis]]) both have special [[rending]] attacks that deal armor-shredding damage: these disenchant the randomly selected armor by 1d4+1 points instead of 1, and as with other shred attacks any damage "left over" after a piece of armor is destroyed will not be applied, with the attack having no further effect in that case; the attacks can also destroy artifact armor the same way as with normal armor, though with only a {{frac|10}} chance (10%) of doing so. If the attack targets a hero or monster with no body armor and selects a body armor slot, the attack will shred '''them''' instead, resulting in [[instant death]]&mdash;[[noncorporeal]] and [[amorphous]] targets "merely" take double damage when this occurs, as they lack a meaningful body to rip apart. As rending attacks, Demogorgon and Blibdoolpoolp will only use these rending attacks after both of their previous attacks successfully hit, and Blibdoolpoolp only uses her rending attack as part of the routine she switches to against a hero with high [[insight]].
 As an inventory-damaging effect, both [[preservative engine]]s and the [[Insight#Living doll merchants|preservation intrinsic]] will protect a target's inventory: A preservative engine counts shredding as a physical damaging attack, and therefore negates the entire attack (including any rends) when the item triggers; the preservation intrinsic will only protect inventory from being damaged, but does not stop a target without body armor from being rent in twain.

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 ===Armor shredding attacks===
-An attack that deals armor-shredding damage&ndash;and generally uses the <tt>'''AD_SHRD'''</tt> damage type flag&ndash;will disenchant a random armor piece by one point if it hits: if a non-artifact piece of armor would be disenchanted enough to provide 0 [[AC]] or [[DR]] combined, it will instead be destroyed, while artifact armor is disenchanted as normal. The armor piece is chosen at random, with shredding only targeting the outermost layer of worn armor, i.e. [[body armor]] will never be chosen if covered by a [[cloak]], and [[shirt]]s will never be chosen if they are covered by body armor. After any disenchanting and/or destruction has occurred, [[physical damage]] is dealt as with a normal attack.
+An attack that deals armor-shredding damage&ndash;which uses the <tt>'''AD_SHRD'''</tt> damage type flag&ndash;will disenchant a random armor piece by one point if it hits: if a non-artifact piece of armor would be disenchanted enough to provide 0 [[AC]] or [[DR]] combined, it will instead be destroyed, while artifact armor is disenchanted as normal. The armor piece is chosen at random, with shredding only targeting the outermost layer of worn armor, i.e. [[body armor]] will never be chosen if covered by a [[cloak]], and [[shirt]]s will never be chosen if they are covered by body armor. After any disenchanting and/or destruction has occurred, [[physical damage]] is dealt as with a normal attack.
 [[Demogorgon (dNetHack)|Demogorgon]] and [[Blibdoolpoolp, graven-into-flesh]] (the [[Drow Healer]] [[quest nemesis]]) both have special [[rending]] attacks that deal armor-shredding damage: these disenchant the randomly selected armor by 1d4+1 points instead of 1, and as with other shred attacks any damage "left over" after a piece of armor is destroyed will not be applied, with the attack having no further effect in that case; the attacks can also destroy artifact armor the same way as with normal armor, though with only a {{frac|10}} chance (10%) of doing so. If the attack targets a hero or monster with no body armor and selects a body armor slot, the attack will shred '''them''' instead, resulting in [[instant death]]&mdash;[[incorporeal]] and [[amorphous]] targets "merely" take double damage when this occurs, as they lack a meaningful body to rip apart. As rending attacks, Demogorgon and Blibdoolpoolp will only use these rending attacks after both of their previous attacks successfully hit, and Blibdoolpoolp only uses her rending attack as part of the routine she switches to against a hero with high [[insight]].

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 The term "armor shredding" is a catch-all for armor destruction attacks that use this damage type flag, as well as melee-based [[disintegration]] attacks, and attacks from weapons with the [[Object properties#Offensive|flaying]] object property.
 An attack that deals armor-shredding damage&ndash;and generally uses the <tt>'''AD_SHRD'''</tt> damage type flag&ndash;will disenchant a random armor piece by one point if it hits: if a non-artifact piece of armor would be disenchanted enough to provide 0 [[AC]] or [[DR]] combined, it will instead be destroyed, while artifact armor is disenchanted as normal. The armor piece is chosen at random, with shredding only targeting the outermost layer of worn armor, i.e. [[body armor]] will never be chosen if covered by a [[cloak]], and [[shirt]]s will never be chosen if they are covered by body armor. After any disenchanting and/or destruction has occurred, [[physical damage]] is dealt as with a normal attack.
-[[Demogorgon (dNetHack)|Demogorgon]] and [[Blibdoolpoolp, graven-into-flesh]] (the Drow Healer [[quest nemesis]]) both have armor-shedding attacks that instead disenchant the random armor piece by 1d4+1 points instead of 1: any damage "left over" after a piece of armor is destroyed is not applied, with the attack having no further effect in that case. Their attacks differ from normal armor shredding in that they can also destroy artifact armor the same way as with normal armor, though with only a {{frac|10}} chance (10%) of doing so&mdash;if the attack targets a hero or monster with no body armor and selects a body armor slot, the attack will shred '''them''' instead, resulting in [[instant death]]; [[incorporeal]] and [[amorphous]] targets "merely" take double damage instead, as they lack a meaningful body to rip apart.
+[[Demogorgon (dNetHack)|Demogorgon]] and [[Blibdoolpoolp, graven-into-flesh]] (the [[Drow Healer]] [[quest nemesis]]) both have special [[rending]] attacks that deal armor-shredding damage: these disenchant the randomly selected armor by 1d4+1 points instead of 1, and as with other shred attacks any damage "left over" after a piece of armor is destroyed will not be applied, with the attack having no further effect in that case; the attacks can also destroy artifact armor the same way as with normal armor, though with only a {{frac|10}} chance (10%) of doing so. If the attack targets a hero or monster with no body armor and selects a body armor slot, the attack will shred '''them''' instead, resulting in [[instant death]]&mdash;[[incorporeal]] and [[amorphous]] targets "merely" take double damage when this occurs, as they lack a meaningful body to rip apart. As rending attacks, Demogorgon and Blibdoolpoolp will only use these rending attacks after both of their previous attacks successfully hit, and Blibdoolpoolp only uses her rending attack as part of the routine she switches to against a hero with high [[insight]].
 As an inventory-damaging effect, both [[preservative engine]]s and the [[Insight#Living doll merchants|preservation intrinsic]] will protect a target's inventory: A preservative engine counts shredding as a physical damaging attack, and therefore negates the entire attack (including any rends) when the item triggers; the preservation intrinsic will only protect inventory from being damaged, but does not stop a target without body armor from being rent in twain.
 ===Armor disintegration===

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 The term "armor shredding" is a catch-all for armor destruction attacks that use this damage type flag, as well as melee-based [[disintegration]] attacks, and attacks from weapons with the [[Object properties#Offensive|flaying]] object property.
-An attack that deals armor-shredding damage&ndash;and generally uses the <tt>'''AD_SHRD'''</tt> damage type flag&ndash;will disenchant a random armor piece by one point if it hits: a non-artifact piece of armor would be disenchanted enough to provide 0 [[AC]] or [[DR]] combined, it will instead be destroyed, while artifact armor is disenchanted as normal. The armor piece is chosen at random, with shredding only targeting the outermost layer of worn armor, i.e. [[body armor]] will never be chosen if covered by a [[cloak]], and [[shirt]]s will never be chosen if they are covered by body armor. After any disenchanting and/or destruction has occurred, [[physical damage]] is dealt as with a normal attack.
+An attack that deals armor-shredding damage&ndash;and generally uses the <tt>'''AD_SHRD'''</tt> damage type flag&ndash;will disenchant a random armor piece by one point if it hits: if a non-artifact piece of armor would be disenchanted enough to provide 0 [[AC]] or [[DR]] combined, it will instead be destroyed, while artifact armor is disenchanted as normal. The armor piece is chosen at random, with shredding only targeting the outermost layer of worn armor, i.e. [[body armor]] will never be chosen if covered by a [[cloak]], and [[shirt]]s will never be chosen if they are covered by body armor. After any disenchanting and/or destruction has occurred, [[physical damage]] is dealt as with a normal attack.
-[[Demogorgon (dNetHack)|Demogorgon]] and [[Blibdoolpoolp, graven-into-flesh]] (the Drow Healer [[quest nemesis]]) both have armor-shedding attacks that instead disenchant the random armor piece by 1d4+1 points instead of 1: any damage "left over" after an armor piece is destroyed is not applied, with the attack having no further effect in that case. Their attacks differ from normal armor shredding in that they can also destroy artifact armor the same way as with normal armor, though with only a {{frac|10}} chance (10%) of doing so&mdash;if the attack targets a hero or monster with no body armor and selects a body armor slot, the attack will shred '''them''' instead, resulting in [[instant death]]; [[incorporeal]] and [[amorphous]] targets "merely" take double damage instead, as they lack a meaningful body to rip apart.
+[[Demogorgon (dNetHack)|Demogorgon]] and [[Blibdoolpoolp, graven-into-flesh]] (the Drow Healer [[quest nemesis]]) both have armor-shedding attacks that instead disenchant the random armor piece by 1d4+1 points instead of 1: any damage "left over" after a piece of armor is destroyed is not applied, with the attack having no further effect in that case. Their attacks differ from normal armor shredding in that they can also destroy artifact armor the same way as with normal armor, though with only a {{frac|10}} chance (10%) of doing so&mdash;if the attack targets a hero or monster with no body armor and selects a body armor slot, the attack will shred '''them''' instead, resulting in [[instant death]]; [[incorporeal]] and [[amorphous]] targets "merely" take double damage instead, as they lack a meaningful body to rip apart.
 As an inventory-damaging effect, both [[preservative engine]]s and the [[Insight#Living doll merchants|preservation intrinsic]] will protect a target's inventory: A preservative engine counts shredding as a physical damaging attack, and therefore negates the entire attack (including any rends) when the item triggers; the preservation intrinsic will only protect inventory from being damaged, but does not stop a target without body armor from being rent in twain.
 ===Armor disintegration===
-Though they both use the <tt>AD_DISN</tt> damage type flag, melee disintegration attacks in dNetHack and its derivatives do not behave like ranged disintegration attacks, such as [[black dragon]] [[breath]] weapons: instead of instantly destroying the outermost layer of armor, they attempt to damage worn armor piece by piece, very similarly to armor shredding. Neither preservative engines nor the preservation intrinsic have any effect on armor disintegration.
+Though they both use the <tt>AD_DISN</tt> damage type flag, melee disintegration attacks in dNetHack and its derivatives do not behave like ranged disintegration attacks, such as [[black dragon]] [[breath]] weapons: instead of instantly destroying the outermost layer of armor, they attempt to damage worn armor piece by piece, very similarly to armor shredding.
 Melee-attack disintegration will attempt to disenchant a random piece of worn armor, though it uses the damage roll from the attack itself instead of always dealing 1 point of enchantment damage&mdash;for each point of damage dealt, it selects its target armor at random (using the same rules as armor shredding) and lowers that armor's enchantment by 1, destroying any non-artifact armor reduced to 0 AC or DR and continuing until damage is fully dealt. Artifacts have a {{frac|4|5}} chance (80%) to resist this form of disintegration, and items that provide [[disintegration resistance]] and all quest artifacts are entirely immune to this effect. If the target has no worn armor, or if all of the target's worn armor is disintegrated with rolled damage left over, the target is instantly disintegrated unless they have disintegration resistance as an intrinsic or from another source.
 ===Flaying weapons===
-Flaying weapons, and the lesser excoriating weapons, also attempt to destroy armor. They function identically to the effects of an armor shredding (<tt>AD_SHRD</tt>) attack, but have different damages and different side effects. Flaying weapons disenchant the worn armor piece by 1d4 points, and excoriating by 1 point. They are still able to destroy non-artifact armors that are reduced to 0 AC & DR. If the armor piece is destroyed with enchantment damage left to apply, the remaining damage fizzles and nothing further happens.
+Weapons with the flaying [[object property]] and the lesser excoriating property will also attempt to destroy armor on each successful hit: they function identically to the effects of an armor shredding attack, but use a different type of damage with different side effects.
-Flaying weapons are treated identical to armor shredding attacks with regard to preservative engines & Preservation. Both solutions will also protect the target from the screaming side effects, even if they have no worn armor.
+Flaying weapons that hit a target disenchant worn armor in the affected slot by 1d4 points, while excoriating weapons disenchant by 1 point, and any non-artifact armor reduced to 0 AC & DR as a result is destroyed&mdash;as before, any damage "left over" after an armor piece is destroyed will not apply, and no further effect occurs.
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 ===Armor disintegration===
-Though they both use the <tt>AD_DISN</tt> damage type flag, melee disintegration attacks in dNetHack and its derivatives do not behave like ranged disintegration attacks, such as [[black dragon]] [[breath]] weapons: instead of instantly destroying the outermost layer of armor, they attempt to damage worn armor piece by piece, very similarly to armor shredding.
+Though they both use the <tt>AD_DISN</tt> damage type flag, melee disintegration attacks in dNetHack and its derivatives do not behave like ranged disintegration attacks, such as [[black dragon]] [[breath]] weapons: instead of instantly destroying the outermost layer of armor, they attempt to damage worn armor piece by piece, very similarly to armor shredding. Neither preservative engines nor the preservation intrinsic have any effect on armor disintegration.
-Melee-attack disintegration will attempt to disenchant a random piece of worn armor, though using the damage roll from the attack itself instead of always dealing 1 point of enchantment damage. For each point of damage dealt, a new random armor piece is selected with the same rules as armor shredding, and it has its enchantment lowered by 1. Artifacts have a 80% chance to resist this disintegration, and items that provide disintegration resistances themselves are entirely immune to this effect. Quest artifacts are also entirely immune to this damage. Non-artifact items that would be reduced 0 AC & DR are predictably destroyed. If the target has no worn armor, or if all of the target's worn armor is disintegrated with rolled damage left over, the target is instantly disintegrated (unless they resist disintegration after having their armor stripped off).
+Melee-attack disintegration will attempt to disenchant a random piece of worn armor, though it uses the damage roll from the attack itself instead of always dealing 1 point of enchantment damage&mdash;for each point of damage dealt, it selects its target armor at random (using the same rules as armor shredding) and lowers that armor's enchantment by 1, destroying any non-artifact armor reduced to 0 AC or DR and continuing until damage is fully dealt. Artifacts have a {{frac|4|5}} chance (80%) to resist this form of disintegration, and items that provide [[disintegration resistance]] and all quest artifacts are entirely immune to this effect. If the target has no worn armor, or if all of the target's worn armor is disintegrated with rolled damage left over, the target is instantly disintegrated unless they have disintegration resistance as an intrinsic or from another source.
-Armor disintegration is not counted as physical damage, including physical inventory damage, so both preservative engines & the Preservation intrinsic have no effect on it.
+===Flaying weapons===
 Flaying weapons, and the lesser excoriating weapons, also attempt to destroy armor. They function identically to the effects of an armor shredding (<tt>AD_SHRD</tt>) attack, but have different damages and different side effects. Flaying weapons disenchant the worn armor piece by 1d4 points, and excoriating by 1 point. They are still able to destroy non-artifact armors that are reduced to 0 AC & DR. If the armor piece is destroyed with enchantment damage left to apply, the remaining damage fizzles and nothing further happens.

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-'''Armor shredding''' is a mechanic and [[damage type]] that occurs in [[dNetHack]], [[notdNetHack]] and [[notnotdNetHack]], and generally uses the <tt>'''AD_SHRD'''</tt> damage type flag. The term is a catch-all for <tt>AD_SHRD</tt> (armor destruction) attacks, melee <tt>AD_DISN</tt> (disintegration) attacks, and attacks from weapons with the [[Object_properties#Offensive|flaying]] object property. Armor shredding attacks that hit a hero or monster will lower the enchantment of affected [[armor]], and can even destroy armor that has lost enough enchantment.
+'''Armor shredding''' (or '''armor-shredding''') is a mechanic and [[damage type]] that occurs in [[dNetHack]], [[notdNetHack]] and [[notnotdNetHack]]. Armor shredding attacks that hit a [[hero]] or [[monster]] will lower the enchantment of affected [[armor]], and can even destroy armor that has lost enough enchantment.
 ==Description==
-=== Armor shredding (<tt>AD_SHRD</tt>) ===
+An attack that deals armor-shredding damage&ndash;and generally uses the <tt>'''AD_SHRD'''</tt> damage type flag&ndash;will disenchant a random armor piece by one point if it hits: a non-artifact piece of armor would be disenchanted enough to provide 0 [[AC]] or [[DR]] combined, it will instead be destroyed, while artifact armor is disenchanted as normal. The armor piece is chosen at random, with shredding only targeting the outermost layer of worn armor, i.e. [[body armor]] will never be chosen if covered by a [[cloak]], and [[shirt]]s will never be chosen if they are covered by body armor. After any disenchanting and/or destruction has occurred, [[physical damage]] is dealt as with a normal attack.
-[[Demogorgon (dNetHack)|Demogorgon's]] and [[Blibdoolpoolp (dNetHack)|Blibdoolpoolp's]] (the Drow Healer [[quest nemesis]]) have shreds that instead disenchant the random armor piece by 1d4+1 points instead of 1. If the armor piece is destroyed with enchantment damage left to apply, the remaining damage fizzles and nothing further happens. They additionally can destroy artifact armors by reducing their combined AC/DR to 0, but only with a 10% chance, and can simply rend targets apart if they have no armor to shred - <b>instantly</b> killing them. Noncorporeal and amorphous targets take double damage instead of being instakilled, due to not having a meaningful body to rip apart.
+[[Demogorgon (dNetHack)|Demogorgon]] and [[Blibdoolpoolp, graven-into-flesh]] (the Drow Healer [[quest nemesis]]) both have armor-shedding attacks that instead disenchant the random armor piece by 1d4+1 points instead of 1: any damage "left over" after an armor piece is destroyed is not applied, with the attack having no further effect in that case. Their attacks differ from normal armor shredding in that they can also destroy artifact armor the same way as with normal armor, though with only a {{frac|10}} chance (10%) of doing so&mdash;if the attack targets a hero or monster with no body armor and selects a body armor slot, the attack will shred '''them''' instead, resulting in [[instant death]]; [[incorporeal]] and [[amorphous]] targets "merely" take double damage instead, as they lack a meaningful body to rip apart.
-As an inventory damaging effect, both [[preservative engine|preservative engines]] and the [[Insight#Living doll merchants|Preservation intrinsic]] will protect your inventory. A preservative engine counts shredding as a physical damaging attack, and therefore negate the entire attack (including any rends) when it triggers. The Preservation intrinsic will only protect your actual inventory from being damaged, so your armor cannot be disenchanted or destroyed, but an unarmored target will still be rent in twain.
+As an inventory-damaging effect, both [[preservative engine]]s and the [[Insight#Living doll merchants|preservation intrinsic]] will protect a target's inventory: A preservative engine counts shredding as a physical damaging attack, and therefore negate the entire attack (including any rends) when it triggers; the preservation intrinsic will only protect inventory from being damaged, but does not stop a target without body armor from being rent in twain.
-=== Armor disintegration (<tt>AD_DISN</tt>) ===
+===Armor disintegration===
+Though they both use the <tt>AD_DISN</tt> damage type flag, melee disintegration attacks in dNetHack and its derivatives do not behave like ranged disintegration attacks, such as [[black dragon]] [[breath]] weapons: instead of instantly destroying the outermost layer of armor, they attempt to damage worn armor piece by piece.
 Armor disintegration works very similarly to armor shredding. They will attempt to disenchant a random piece of worn armor, but instead of always doing 1 point of enchantment damage, they use the damage roll from the attack itself. For each point of damage dealt, a new random armor piece is selected with the same rules as armor shredding, and it has its enchantment lowered by 1. Artifacts have a 80% chance to resist this disintegration, and items that provide disintegration resistances themselves are entirely immune to this effect. Quest artifacts are also entirely immune to this damage. Non-artifact items that would be reduced 0 AC & DR are predictably destroyed. If the target has no worn armor, or if all of the target's worn armor is disintegrated with rolled damage left over, the target is instantly disintegrated (unless they resist disintegration after having their armor stripped off).