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Kufat: /* Permitted actions */ Most games don't start with 'blind' or 'nudist'

2022-05-02T22:30:26Z

‎Permitted actions: Most games don't start with 'blind' or 'nudist'

Darth l33t: no "extended" commands anymore

2021-05-26T00:24:45Z

no "extended" commands anymore

Darth l33t: The Conduct article section was long enough to justify its own article

2021-05-10T17:16:31Z

The Conduct article section was long enough to justify its own article

Muad: Redirected page to Conduct#Atheist

2009-12-24T23:15:10Z

Redirected page to Conduct#Atheist

Jayt: created redirect

2006-07-02T20:02:17Z

created redirect

New page

#REDIRECT [[Conduct]]

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 =Permitted actions=
-* Being a [[Priest]] (or any [[role]]; all games start with all conducts intact)
+* Being a [[Priest]] (or any [[role]]; all games start with this conduct intact)
 * Casting [[clerical spell]]s, including [[spellbook of turn undead|turn undead]]
 * Offering the [[Amulet of Yendor]] on a high altar (actions required to complete the game never break conducts)

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 * [[Pray]]er
-* Using the [[Knight]] or [[Priest]]'s [[turn undead]] [[extended command]]
+* Using the [[Knight]] or [[Priest]]'s [[turn undead]] [[command]]
-* [[Offer]]ing a [[corpse]]
+* [[Sacrifice|Sacrificing]] a [[corpse]]
 * Dropping items on an [[altar]] while not [[blind]]
 * [[Chat]]ting with an [[aligned priest]], regardless of the result
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 * Being a [[Priest]] (or any [[role]]; all games start with all conducts intact)
 * Casting [[clerical spell]]s, including [[spellbook of turn undead|turn undead]]
-* [[Offering]] the [[Amulet of Yendor]] on a high altar (actions required to complete the game never break conducts)
+* Offering the [[Amulet of Yendor]] on a high altar (actions required to complete the game never break conducts)
 * Dropping items on an altar while blind
 * Entering a [[temple]] and taking advantage of [[sanctuary]]
 * Sitting or engraving on an altar
 * Fighting or killing an aligned priest
 * Any interaction with holy or unholy [[potion of water|water]], other than creating it by praying at an altar
-* Any interactions with [[unicorns]], other than offering the corpse of one
+* Any interactions with [[unicorns]], other than sacrificing the corpse of one
 * Any interaction with [[Elbereth]]

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−	#~~REDIRECT~~ [[~~Conduct~~#~~Atheist~~]]	+	The '''atheist''' [[conduct]] requires the player to abstain from [[religion\|religious]] activity in most ways. 4.0% of all winning accounts on [[NAO]] have an atheist ascension.
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		+	=Prohibited actions=
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		+	* [[Pray]]er
		+	* Using the [[Knight]] or [[Priest]]'s [[turn undead]] [[extended command]]
		+	* [[Offer]]ing a [[corpse]]
		+	* Dropping items on an [[altar]] while not [[blind]]
		+	* [[Chat]]ting with an [[aligned priest]], regardless of the result
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		+	=Permitted actions=
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		+	* Being a [[Priest]] (or any [[role]]; all games start with all conducts intact)
		+	* Casting [[clerical spell]]s, including [[spellbook of turn undead\|turn undead]]
		+	* [[Offering]] the [[Amulet of Yendor]] on a high altar (actions required to complete the game never break conducts)
		+	* Dropping items on an altar while blind
		+	* Entering a [[temple]] and taking advantage of [[sanctuary]]
		+	* Sitting or engraving on an altar
		+	* Fighting or killing an aligned priest
		+	* Any interaction with holy or unholy [[potion of water\|water]], other than creating it by praying at an altar
		+	* Any interactions with [[unicorns]], other than offering the corpse of one
		+	* Any interaction with [[Elbereth]]
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		+	=Strategy=
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		+	Most religious benefits can be replaced:
		+	* [[Holy water]] [[Holy_water#Conduct_considerations\|is most easily made]] with a confused blessed [[scroll of remove curse]], or [[wish]]ed for if also [[illiterate]]. Once created, (un)holy water can be replicated by [[dip]]ping uncursed water into it.
		+	* [[Luck]] can be maximized by throwing valuable [[gem]]s at a coaligned [[unicorn]].
		+	* An [[artifact weapon]] can be [[wish]]ed for. Other sources include dipping for [[Excalibur]], finding one in [[bones]] or randomly generated, <!--an [[Archon]]'s starting weapon, -->or simply doing without.
		+	* [[Intrinsic_protection\|Divine protection]]: [[Scroll of enchant armor\|enchant]] your armor to compensate partially. In theory, you can also [[Eating jewelry\|eat rings of protection]].
		+	* [[curse-testing\|Blessing/curse identification]] can either be done with a [[pet]] or by [[identification\|formally identifying]] objects. Both methods have drawbacks that characterize an atheist game—see below.
		+	* Emergency [[prayer]] is not a reliable substitute for an [[escape item]] to begin with, but atheists need to be especially well-prepared and cautious.
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		+	In absense of [[curse testing]] at an [[altar]], keep in mind the difference between formally known BUC and informally known BUC, and the implications for stacking and (un)cursing.
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		+	An "uncursed scroll of enchant armor" and a "scroll of enchant armor named uncursed" WILL NOT STACK FOR BLESSING, unless you formally BUC the second one. Formal and informal [[BUC]] together give you 10 states to worry about. Don't indiscriminately fully identify items, to make sure your inventory stacks appropriately.
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		+	Items which are formally IDed are formally BUCed, but an item can be formally BUCed without being formally IDed, e.g. by dipping it in (un)holy water.<!-- works even if blind, but not if it was already blessed/cursed-->
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		+	If the BUC of a formally BUCed item changes, you will know immediately (e.g. a [[lich]] curses it). If the item is merely informally BUCed, you will not get any warning. This makes spellcasting monsters and [[Wizard of Yendor\|Rodney]]'s harrassment particularly nasty for atheists. It is a good idea to formally BUC your [[unicorn horn]], [[bag of holding]], and [[luckstone]]. At least retest your unicorn horn after a fight with a cursing monster.
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		+	List of ways to [[BUC]] [[item]]s without breaking atheist
		+	* Everything in [[Curse-testing]] EXCEPT altar testing. Do not drop items on an altar. Do not even go near one. You do not want to drop something on it by mistake.
		+	* [[Scroll of identify]]. If you [[identify]] an [[item]], it will no longer stack with unIDed [[item]]s of its type and [[BUC]]. A stack of "Q - 15 [[dagger]]s named +0 probably [[uncursed]], maybe [[blessed]]" ([[enchantment]] derived from [[price ID]]) will automatically merge with any more +0 [[uncursed]] [[dagger]]s you pick up, [[identify]]ing their [[BUC]] for free. If you [[identify]] your stack of [[dagger]]s "Q - 15 [[uncursed]] +0 [[dagger]]s", that won't happen.
		+	* [[Scroll of remove curse]]. Read a [[uncursed]] one and none of your [[wear\|worn]] or [[wield]]ed [[item]]s remain [[cursed]]. Read a [[blessed]] one and none of the [[item]]s in your [[inventory]] stay [[cursed]].
		+	* [[Uncursed]] [[potion of water\|potions of water]] have a base cost of 5, [[blessed]] and [[cursed]] ones both have a base cost of 100.
		+	* [[potion of water\|Potions of water]] or [[potion of fruit juice\|juice]] are uncursed if made by #[[dip]]ping a unicorn horn into [[potion of confusion\|confusion]], [[potion of hallucination\|hallucination]], [[potion of blindness\|blindness]], or [[potion of sickness\|sickness]]. Exception: a cursed horn makes cursed juice.
		+	* [[Unicorn horn]]s dropped by [[unicorn]]s will always be [[uncursed]] (and +0).
		+	* If you pick up a [[scroll of scare monster]] from the ground, you know for a fact that its [[uncursed]], though you don't know whether the scroll was blessed (and therefore safe to pick up once more).
		+	* Use the [[item]] and see what it does. Don't do this unless you know it won't hurt you or waste resources unduly.
		+	* Relative frequency. For most items, uncursed is more common. If you have two stacks of teleport scrolls, the stack of 15 is probably uncursed, whereas the stack of 2 is probably either cursed or blessed.
		+	* Watch your stacks. "a [[scroll]] labeled HACKEM MUCHE" and "a [[scroll]] labeled HACKEM MUCHE" will stack, unless they are of different [[BUC]]. If you pay attention, and subsequently [[BUC]] one of the stacks, (say it turns out to be [[uncursed]]), then you know for a fact that the other is either [[blessed]] or [[cursed]] and can [[name]] it accordingly.
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		+	[[Category:Conducts]]
		+	{{nethack-366}}

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−	#REDIRECT [[Conduct]]	+	#REDIRECT [[Conduct#Atheist]]