Bare hands - Revision history

Umbire the Phantom: lede

2025-10-12T07:47:38Z

lede

Umbire the Phantom: /* Damage calculation */ clarify gloved hands, clip fragment

2024-10-07T08:44:51Z

‎Damage calculation: clarify gloved hands, clip fragment

Umbire the Phantom: good catch - finish that fragment proper like I meant to

2024-09-27T19:39:17Z

good catch - finish that fragment proper like I meant to

ScienceBall: /* Strategy */ Remove redundant text

2024-09-27T19:31:01Z

‎Strategy: Remove redundant text

Umbire the Phantom: cite starting skill

2024-09-25T17:27:43Z

cite starting skill

Umbire the Phantom: follow up

2024-09-24T16:49:38Z

follow up

Umbire the Phantom: formatting + copyedit + update pass + todo

2024-09-24T16:47:37Z

formatting + copyedit + update pass + todo

DoktorL: Mention improvement of damage bonus in 3.7 (similar to what happened with martial arts).

2024-08-21T18:33:48Z

Mention improvement of damage bonus in 3.7 (similar to what happened with martial arts).

Furey: /* Bare hands skill */ grammar

2024-06-30T11:48:05Z

‎Bare hands skill: grammar

Furey: Rewrite quite a bit. Leave martial arts information to martial arts article. Check carefully against source code. Update to nethack-367.

2024-06-30T11:44:35Z

Rewrite quite a bit. Leave martial arts information to martial arts article. Check carefully against source code. Update to nethack-367.

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-'''Bare hands''' is a [[skill]] in ''[[NetHack]]'' that is used when attacking enemies while not [[wield]]ing anything. Every [[role]] except for the [[Monk]] and [[Samurai]] has this skill - the Monk and Samurai instead possess the [[martial arts]] skill.
+'''Bare hands''' is a [[skill]] in ''[[NetHack]]'' that is used by the [[hero]] when attacking enemies while not [[wield]]ing anything. Every [[role]] of hero except for the [[Monk]] and [[Samurai]] has this skill&mdash;the Monk and Samurai instead possess the similar [[martial arts]] skill.
 ==Bare hands skill==

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 ==Damage calculation==
-Attacks using the hero's bare hands (or '''bare [[gloves]]''' if wearing them) have a base damage of 1d2 against both [[small]] and [[large]] monsters, with the exception of [[shade]]s (who take 0 base damage).{{refsrc|src/uhitm.c|704|nethack=3.6.7}} These attacks gain damage bonuses for [[strength]], as well as skill-based damage bonuses: +1 for Basic or Skilled level, or +2 for Expert or Master level, with an average of is (1 + (2 + x))/2 where ''x'' is the applied bonus.{{refsrc|src/weapon.c|1452|nethack=3.6.7}} Skill training and skill-based damage bonuses only apply for hits with more than 1 base damage. In addition, bare-handed attacks with at least Basic skill have a small chance of performing a [[staggering blow]] on hit.
+Attacks using the hero's bare hands have a base damage of 1d2 against both [[small]] and [[large]] monsters, with the exception of [[shade]]s (who take 0 base damage);{{refsrc|src/uhitm.c|704|nethack=3.6.7}} attacks made while wearing [[gloves]] are referred to as attacking with '''bare gloves''' or '''gloved hands'''.
 Blessed gloves grant a +1d4 damage bonus to bare-handed attacks against [[undead]] and [[major demon]]s. Wearing a [[ring]] with the randomized appearance of a [[silver]] ring ''without'' wearing gloves over them grants a +1d20 damage bonus to bare-handed attacks against silver-haters (which is not applied twice if wearing two silver rings).{{refsrc|src/weapon.c|353|nethack=3.6.7|comment=function special_dmgval}}
-Below is a table that outlines damage and to-hit bonuses for skill in barehanded combat, along with the average damage - not:
+Below is a table that outlines damage and to-hit bonuses for skill in barehanded combat, along with the average damage:
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 Barehanded combat can be serviceable for certain starting heroes until they find a proper weapon, and may even be viable in certain situations where the hero is either desperate or does not want to risk degrading of particular weapons (e.g. fighting a [[rust monster]]). Generally though, the skill is rarely worth enhancing for such marginal benefits, and any [[ranged attack]] options may be more favorable.
-Bare-handed attacks do not break the [[never hit with a wielded weapon]] [[conduct]]. However, a role with [[martial arts]] is much more suitable for this conduct, since the skill is superior for unarmed combat overall.
+For [[weaponless]] [[conduct]], roles with martial arts are preferred due to the skill's higher damage output and superior quality overall.
 ==History==

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 Barehanded combat can be serviceable for certain starting heroes until they find a proper weapon, and may even be viable in certain situations where the hero is either desperate or does not want to risk degrading of particular weapons (e.g. fighting a [[rust monster]]). Generally though, the skill is rarely worth enhancing for such marginal benefits, and any [[ranged attack]] options may be more favorable.
-For [[weaponless]] [[conduct]], roles with martial arts are preferred due to superious Bare-handed attacks do not break the [[never hit with a wielded weapon]] [[conduct]]. However, a role with [[martial arts]] is much more suitable for this conduct, since the skill is superior for unarmed combat overall.
+Bare-handed attacks do not break the [[never hit with a wielded weapon]] [[conduct]]. However, a role with [[martial arts]] is much more suitable for this conduct, since the skill is superior for unarmed combat overall.
 ==History==

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 ==Bare hands skill==
 {{bare hands skill table}}
-Fighting while not wielding anything naturally trains the bare hands skill. [[Barbarian]]s and [[Cavepeople]], who can reach ''Master'', start with ''Basic'' skill, while all other roles start as ''Unskilled''. No role can advance to ''Grand Master'' in bare hands.
+Fighting while not wielding anything naturally trains the bare hands skill. [[Barbarian]]s and [[Cavepeople]] can reach ''Master'' in barehanded combat, and so start with ''Basic'' skill, while all other roles start as ''Unskilled''.{{refsrc|src/weapon.c|1634|nethack=3.6.7}} No role can advance to ''Grand Master'' in bare hands.
 ==Damage calculation==

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 {{tocright}}
-The '''bare hands''' [[skill]] is used when attacking while wielding nothing. Every [[role]] has this skill, except [[Monk]]s and [[Samurai]], who instead possess the superior [[martial arts]] skill.
+==Bare hands skill==
+{{bare hands skill table}}
-== Damage calculation ==
+Fighting while not wielding anything naturally trains the bare hands skill. [[Barbarian]]s and [[Cavepeople]], who can reach ''Master'', start with ''Basic'' skill, while all other roles start as ''Unskilled''. No role can advance to ''Grand Master'' in bare hands.
-There is a [[strength]] bonus.
+==Damage calculation==
-If you are wearing blessed gloves, and you are striking an [[undead]] monster, a [[major demon]], or a shapeshifted [[vampire]], then there is a 1d4 damage bonus. If you are not wearing gloves, and you are wearing a silver ring, and you are striking a monster that is vulnerable to [[silver damage]], then there is a 1d20 damage bonus. However, a second silver ring does not add a second silver damage bonus. {{refsrc|src/weapon.c|353|nethack=3.6.7|comment=function special_dmgval}}
+Blessed gloves grant a +1d4 damage bonus to bare-handed attacks against [[undead]] and [[major demon]]s. Wearing a [[ring]] with the randomized appearance of a [[silver]] ring ''without'' wearing gloves over them grants a +1d20 damage bonus to bare-handed attacks against silver-haters (which is not applied twice if wearing two silver rings).{{refsrc|src/weapon.c|353|nethack=3.6.7|comment=function special_dmgval}}
-If you have at least ''Basic'' skill there is a small chance of a [[staggering blow]].
+Below is a table that outlines damage and to-hit bonuses for skill in barehanded combat, along with the average damage - not:
 {| class="prettytable"
 ! &nbsp;
-! + to hit
+! + to-hit
 ! + damage
 ! average damage
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 |}
-No role can advance to ''Grand Master'' in bare hands.
+{{upcoming|NetHack 3.7.0|Per {{commit|c1c515af9f2528b3d26a93fc8b708454a3153ed1}}, skill-based damage bonus is applied regardless of base damage, though hits that roll base damage of 1 will still not train the skill.
-== Bare hands skill ==
+Per {{commit|60c1956850179f4860e59957138154ec65255998}}, bare-handed combat has a skill dependent chance of performing a second attack automatically: this has a {{frac|5}} chance of occurring for each skill level above Basic, e.g. {{frac|2|5}} for Skilled or {{frac|4|5}} for Grand Master. Each hit only gains a {{frac|3|4}} bonus to strength when attacking twice, though both attacks landing results in a net {{frac|3|2}} strength bonus.}}
-Roles which can reach ''Master'' start with ''Basic'' skill; these are [[Barbarian]]s and [[Caveman|Cavemen]]. Other roles start ''Unskilled''.
+==Strategy==
-== Strategy ==
+For [[weaponless]] [[conduct]], roles with martial arts are preferred due to superious Bare-handed attacks do not break the [[never hit with a wielded weapon]] [[conduct]]. However, a role with [[martial arts]] is much more suitable for this conduct.
-Bare-handed attacks do not break the [[never hit with a wielded weapon]] [[conduct]]. However, a role with [[martial arts]] is much more suitable for this conduct.
+==History==
-== History ==
+{{todo|Verify the exact commit(s) that remedied this and clarify when they were implemented.}}
-== Variants ==
+==Variants==
-[[SporkHack]] grants a [[to-hit]] bonus if you advance the skill.
+===SLASH'EM===
-In [[SLASH'EM]], the [[Drow]] can put enemies to sleep by attacking with bare hands.
+===SporkHack===
-== References ==
+==References==
 <references/>
 {{nethack-367}}

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	No role can advance to ''Grand Master'' in bare hands.		No role can advance to ''Grand Master'' in bare hands.
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		+	{{upcoming\|NetHack 3.7.0\|Per {{commit\|c1c515af9f2528b3d26a93fc8b708454a3153ed1}}, skill-based damage bonus is applied regardless of base damage, though hits that roll base damage of 1 will still not train the skill.}}

	== Bare hands skill ==		== Bare hands skill ==

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-The '''bare hands''' [[skill]] is used when attacking while wielding nothing. Every class has this skill, except [[Monk]]s and [[Samurai]], who instead possess the superior [[martial arts]] skill. The strategy information may not apply to monks, who can be powerful fighters even in the absence of a weapon.
+{{tocright}}
-Bare hands do 1d2 base damage to both [[small]] and [[large]] monsters. Both [[basic]] and [[skilled]] yield +1 to damage on 50% of all hits,<ref>Bare-hands or martial arts skill only grant their damage bonus if the d2 or d4 base damage is at least 2. See {{sourcecode|uhitm.c|546}} and {{sourcecode|uhitm.c|603}}</ref> [[expert]] and [[master]] gives a 50% chance each hit of a +2 bonus to [[damage]]. Monks' and samurai's [[martial arts]] skill does 1d4 damage, with much greater bonuses for skills on 75% of all hits.
+The '''bare hands''' [[skill]] is used when attacking while wielding nothing. Every [[role]] has this skill, except [[Monk]]s and [[Samurai]], who instead possess the superior [[martial arts]] skill.
-In 3.4.3, there was no [[to-hit]] bonus for this skill at all,<ref>The bonus would be added by {{function|weapon.c|weapon_hit_bonus}}, but this is never called because {{sourcecode|uhitm.c|283}} or {{sourcecode|uhitm.c|1957}} checks if you're wielding something.</ref> but there is a bonus in 3.6.0.
+== Damage calculation ==
-Attacking with bare hands causes [[silver damage]] if you are wearing a silver ring and no gloves, similar to wielding any silver object.  Attacking with bare hands if you have at least basic skill has a small chance of causing a [[staggering blow]] under some conditions, which stuns the opponent and moves it backwards.
+Bare hands do 1d2 base damage to both [[small]] and [[large]] monsters.{{refsrc|src/uhitm.c|704|nethack=3.6.7}}. [[Shade]]s are an exception, receiving 0 base damage.
-==Strategy==
+If base damage is more than 1, then there is a skill-based damage bonus: +1 for ''Basic'' or ''Skilled'', +2 for ''Expert'' or ''Master''.{{refsrc|src/weapon.c|1452|nethack=3.6.7}}
-Bare-handed damage is so poor that only a martial artist should bother going for the silver damage from a worn ring.
+There is a [[strength]] bonus.
-Bare-handed attacks do not break the [[never hit with a wielded weapon]] [[conduct]], but neither do attacks from wielded non-weapon items.
+If you are wearing blessed gloves, and you are striking an [[undead]] monster, a [[major demon]], or a shapeshifted [[vampire]], then there is a 1d4 damage bonus. If you are not wearing gloves, and you are wearing a silver ring, and you are striking a monster that is vulnerable to [[silver damage]], then there is a 1d20 damage bonus. However, a second silver ring does not add a second silver damage bonus. {{refsrc|src/weapon.c|353|nethack=3.6.7|comment=function special_dmgval}}
-==Average damage==
+Since the skill-based damage bonus is applied only to hits with base damage greater than 1, the average damage is not 1.5 + ''bonus'', but (1 + (2+''bonus'')) / 2.
-Since the damage bonus is only applied to 50% of hits, the average damage is not 1.5 + ''bonus'', but 1.5 + 0.5*''bonus''. This makes the +2 bonus for Expert/Master skill even more pitiful, especially considering the 4 skill slots and 360 hits required.
-{| class="prettytable" style="text-align: center"
+{| class="prettytable"
 ! &nbsp;
-! colspan=3 | Bare-hand
+! + to hit
-! colspan=3 | Martial
+! + damage
-|-
+! average damage
 |-
-!Basic
+| Unskilled || +1 || +0  || 1.5
 |-
-!Skilled
+| Basic || +1 || +1 || 2
 |-
-!Expert
+| Skilled || +2 || +1 || 2
 |-
-!Master
+| Expert || +2 || +2 || 2.5
 |-
-!Grand Master
+| Master || +3 || +2 || 2.5
 |}
-==Bare hands skill==
+No role can advance to ''Grand Master'' in bare hands.
 {{bare hands skill table}}
-==Variants==
+Roles which can reach ''Master'' start with ''Basic'' skill; this is [[Barbarian]]s and [[Caveman|Cavemen]]. Other roles start ''Unskilled''.
 [[SporkHack]] grants a [[to-hit]] bonus if you advance the skill.
 In [[SLASH'EM]], the [[Drow]] can put enemies to sleep by attacking with bare hands.
-==References==
+== References ==
 <references/>
 [[Category:Weapons]]
-{{nethack-343}}
+{{nethack-367}}