Cheating - Revision history

Umbire the Phantom: Undo revision 172503 by VannevarKush (talk) it'll redirect on its own now

2024-06-28T10:02:43Z

Undo revision 172503 by VannevarKush (talk) it'll redirect on its own now

VannevarKush: Link "Altar Scumming" to the "Altar Farming" page instead of this page

2024-06-28T07:32:43Z

Link "Altar Scumming" to the "Altar Farming" page instead of this page

Umbire the Phantom: lede, ver

2024-05-08T01:46:22Z

lede, ver

NetSysFire: mention trickery somewhat more prominently in the intro

2024-05-07T19:50:15Z

mention trickery somewhat more prominently in the intro

Umbire the Phantom: /* Farming /

2023-06-20T18:04:34Z

‎Farming: *

Umbire the Phantom: I figured "long and involved process that requires infinitely more effort than just getting to the right high altar" would be cause for second-guessing but...

2023-03-05T14:23:29Z

I figured "long and involved process that requires infinitely more effort than just getting to the right high altar" would be cause for second-guessing but...

NetSysFire: Undo revision 149846 by MrSurvivor1997 (talk) - its not cheating as it takes a lot of effort and is actually more of a heroic feat

2023-02-03T19:51:10Z

Undo revision 149846 by MrSurvivor1997 (talk) - its not cheating as it takes a lot of effort and is actually more of a heroic feat

MrSurvivor1997: Getting rid of Riders permanently can be considered cheating.

2023-02-03T19:42:57Z

Getting rid of Riders permanently can be considered cheating.

Umbire the Phantom: /* Wizard mode bones */

2022-03-04T02:07:15Z

‎Wizard mode bones

Umbire the Phantom: /* Bones stuffing */

2021-05-20T16:25:38Z

‎Bones stuffing

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 For specifics on certain types of farming, visit the following pages:
-* [[Altar farming|Altar scumming]]
+* [[Altar scumming]]
 * [[Death farming]]
 * [[Kraken farming]]

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 For specifics on certain types of farming, visit the following pages:
-* [[Altar scumming]]
+* [[Altar farming|Altar scumming]]
 * [[Death farming]]
 * [[Kraken farming]]

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-'''Cheating''' is the act of doing things in a game that is intended to garner an (often unfair) advantage through means not intended by its [[developers]] and/or considered to be against the "spirit" of the game.
+'''Cheating''' is the act of doing things in a game that is intended to garner an (often unfair) advantage through means not intended by its [[developers]] and/or considered to be against the "spirit" of the game. The game will detect some more egregious forms of cheating and declare a [[trickery]], causing an unavoidable [[instant death]] and forfeiting the current game.
 ==What is and isn't cheating==
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 ==References==
 <references/>
-{{nethack-366}}
+{{nethack-367}}
 [[Category:Cheating]]

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	'''Cheating''' is the act of doing things in a game that is intended to garner an (often unfair) advantage through means not intended by its [[developers]] and/or considered to be against the "spirit" of the game.		'''Cheating''' is the act of doing things in a game that is intended to garner an (often unfair) advantage through means not intended by its [[developers]] and/or considered to be against the "spirit" of the game.
		+	The game will detect some more egregious forms of cheating and declare a [[trickery]], causing an unavoidable [[instant death]] and forfeiting the current game.

	==What is and isn't cheating==		==What is and isn't cheating==

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 While [[farming]] is considered by some to be against the spirit of ''NetHack'', there are few rules or protections and nothing in the game explicitly disallowing farming in general, so other people consider farming a legitimate strategy. Even at its most extreme, however, farming does not ''fully'' guarantee victory, and excessive farming can potentially prove counterproductive with the tedium outweighing the benefits. In addition, the DevTeam has taken steps to curtail more genuinely game-breaking methods of farming.
-For specifics on each type of farming, visit the following pages:
+For specifics on certain types of farming, visit the following pages:
 * [[Altar scumming]]

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 For specifics on each type of farming, visit the following pages:
-* [[Pudding farming]]
+* [[Altar scumming]]
 * [[Death farming]]
 * [[Kraken farming]]
 * [[Polypiling]] (considered "farming" when taken to significant enough measures)
 * [[Start scumming]]
 ===Reading spoilers===
-NetHack is a difficult game by design, and knowing how to bypass every single problem presented is considered to be against the spirit of the game. However, even for the most spoiled players, applying that knowledge is still a significant matter of skill - reading about something is far different from experiencing it first-hand. Explore mode is intended to allow newer players to experience the game without having to constantly fear character death; other people also consider spoilers to be a kind of "missing manual", and many players choose to spoil themselves voluntarily.
+NetHack is a difficult game by design, and knowing how to bypass every single problem presented is considered to be against the spirit of the game. However, even for the most spoiled players, applying that knowledge is still a significant matter of skill - reading about something is far different from experiencing it first-hand, and not all of that knowledge will be applicable or even required during a given ascension attempt. Explore mode is intended to allow newer players to experience the game without having to constantly fear character death; other people also consider spoilers to be a kind of "missing manual", and many players choose to spoil themselves voluntarily.
 The community does ''not'' consider spoilers to be an "ethical" problem by and large - but as with other communities, common courtesy and good public forum etiquette dictate that warning others ahead of time to prevent inadvertent spoiling is ideal when discussing aspects of the game.
 ===Out-of-game notes===
-Many players take minor notes, such as which levels have altars or shops, where their stashes are, and the like; some other players believe too many out-of-game notes constitutes a mild form of cheating, as it renders [[amnesia]] ineffective. On top of many methods for extensive note-taking existing within the game already (such as [[engraving]] and the ability to [[call]] and [[name]] objects), the advent of [[NetHack 3.6.0]] grants players the ability to [[annotate]] the current level. This, along with the potential length of an average ''NetHack'' game and the sheer volume of information needed to navigate effectively, seems to have mostly quelled the debate on this matter.
+Many players take minor notes, such as which levels have altars or shops, where their stashes are, and the like; some other players believe too many out-of-game notes constitutes a mild form of cheating, as it renders [[amnesia]] ineffective. On top of many methods for extensive note-taking existing within the game already, such as [[engraving]] and the ability to [[call]] and [[name]] objects, the [[NetHack 3.6.0]] series grants players the ability to [[annotate]] the current level. This, along with the potential length of an average ''NetHack'' game and the amount of information needed to navigate effectively, seems to have mostly quelled the debate on this matter.
 ===Metagaming===
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 ===Bones stuffing===
-Bones stuffing consists of playing a game to gather useful items (up to and including a full [[ascension kit]]) and then deliberately killing that character to leave a bones pile for another player to exploit. In more extreme cases, the identities of [[randomized appearance|randomized]] items are [[engrave]]d on the floor to aid future players. Bones stuffing is not considered exploitation and, technically speaking, is within the rules of the game; however, most regard it as violating the spirit of the game (e.g., a [[pacifist]] character who ascends using a "bones-stuffed" ascension kit would not generally be considered a legitimate ascension). An exception would be something like a [[speed ascension]] that explicitly sets out to use prepared bones beforehand.
+Bones stuffing consists of playing a game to gather useful items (up to and including a full [[ascension kit]]) and then deliberately killing that character to leave a bones pile for another player to exploit. In more extreme cases, the identities of [[randomized appearance|randomized]] items are [[engrave]]d on the floor to aid future players. Bones stuffing is not considered exploitation and, technically speaking, is within the rules of the game; however, most regard it as violating the spirit of the game (e.g., a [[pacifist]] character who ascends using a "bones-stuffed" ascension kit would not generally be considered a legitimate ascension). An exception would be something that explicitly sets out to use prepared bones beforehand, like a [[speed ascension]].
 Bones stuffing on a multi-user system (e.g. a server) is less likely to succeed, as it is possible that another player will get the benefit of your bones pile. In addition, some servers such as [[NAO]] make use of bones "pools" to reduce the effectiveness of stuffing, as well as deter people from using bones to intentionally create difficult situations for other players.

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 ===Metagaming===
 As many servers create and post dumpfiles upon a game's end, players can use '''metagaming''' to gain an advantage, most often by looking up the inventory of killed characters through their dumplogs and matching them to a [[bones]] file encountered in-game. While this allows the player to easily gain knowledge they would not have by skipping item sorting and identification, most of the skill involved is not completely removed from the equation - that player still has to contend with the previous character's killer, as well as hostile monsters potentially grabbing their leftover items and using them against the player. In addition, much of the appropriated inventory will be cursed, requiring that player to uncurse those items to get the desired use out of them.
 ==Probably cheating==

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 ===Wizard mode bones===
-Should a wizard mode character die, and remain dead (as the player is given a possibility to resurrect him/her), the player can choose to leave a [[bones]] file of him for others to find, including characters not in wizard mode. Thus, the player can, in wizard mode, wish for practically every item in the game, drop the items to the ground, and commit suicide. He/she will then proceed to create a normal character and find the bones file left by the character in wizard mode. However, there are some items that will not be the same. The [[invocation artifacts]] and the current class's [[quest artifact]] will be replaced with normal items of the same type, and the [[Amulet of Yendor]] will be replaced with a [[cheap plastic imitation of the Amulet of Yendor]].
+Should a wizard mode character die, and remain dead (as the player is given a possibility to resurrect him/her), the player can choose to leave a [[bones]] file of them for others to find, including characters not in wizard mode. Thus, a wizard mode player can wish for practically every item in the game, drop the items to the ground, and commit suicide in order for another character (usually them) to find the bones file left by the character. Of note is that the [[invocation artifacts]] and the current class's [[quest artifact]] will be replaced with normal items of the same type, and the [[Amulet of Yendor]] will be replaced with a [[cheap plastic imitation of the Amulet of Yendor]].
 ===Abusing the random number generator===