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Prowler: Update for 5.0.

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Phol ende wodan: /* List of comestibles */ 3.7 changes the costs of corpses, eggs, and tins based on the monster species

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‎List of comestibles: 3.7 changes the costs of corpses, eggs, and tins based on the monster species

Umbire the Phantom: /* Generation */ slight copyedit, cite

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‎Generation: slight copyedit, cite

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 Monsters are also generated carrying food, such as [[soldier]]s, and many monsters have a varying chance of leaving their corpse behind when killed. Additionally, various [[special room]]s may either contain several food items (e.g., [[anthole]]s and [[beehive]]s) or several monsters that generate with food (e.g. [[barracks]]), and the monsters can themselves be eaten for food as well.
 All non-[[tin]] comestibles are normally generated [[uncursed]], with the exception of those in a player's [[bones]]. Non-corpse comestibles have a chance of being generated in stacks of two, with a {{frac|2}} chance for [[kelp frond]]s and {{frac|6}} chance for other food.{{refsrc|src/mkobj.c|870|version=NetHack 3.6.7}}{{refsrc|src/mkobj.c|881|version=NetHack 3.6.7}}
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 |[[fortune cookie]] ||7 ||1 ||55 ||40 ||40 ||1 ||40 ||<span class="explain" title="Breaks illiterate conduct if eaten while not blind">vegetarian</span>
 |-
-|[[tin]] (homemade) ||5 ||10 ||&mdash;* ||50 ||5 ||''varies'' ||''varies'' ||''varies''
+|[[tin]] (homemade) ||''varies'' ||10 ||&mdash;* ||50 ||5 ||''varies'' ||''varies'' ||''varies''
 |-
 |tin of [[spinach]] (blessed) ||5 ||10 ||0.625* ||600 ||60 ||1–2 ||<span class="explain" title="average">450</span> ||vegan
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 |tin of [[spinach]] (cursed) ||5 ||10 ||0.625* ||201–600 ||<span class="explain" title="average">40.05</span> ||''varies'' ||''varies'' ||vegan
 |-
-|[[tin]] (other) ||5 ||10 ||62.5* ||''varies'' ||''varies'' ||''varies'' ||''varies'' ||''varies''
+|[[tin]] (other) ||''varies'' ||10 ||62.5* ||''varies'' ||''varies'' ||''varies'' ||''varies'' ||''varies''
 |-
 |[[apple]] ||7 ||2 ||15 ||50 ||25 ||1 ||50 ||vegan
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 |[[carrot]] ||7 ||2 ||15 ||50 ||25 ||1 ||50 ||vegan
 |-
-|[[eucalyptus leaf]] ||6 ||1 ||3 ||30 ||30 ||1 ||30 ||vegan
+|[[eucalyptus leaf]] ||5 ||1 ||3 ||1 ||1 ||1 ||1 ||vegan
 |-
 |[[kelp frond]] ||6 ||1 ||0 ||30 ||30 ||1 ||30 ||vegan
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 |[[meat stick]] ||5 ||1 ||0 ||5 ||5 ||1 ||5 ||''none''
 |-
-|[[huge chunk of meat]] ||105 ||400 ||0 ||2000 ||5 ||20 ||100 ||''none''
+|[[enormous meatball]] ||105 ||400 ||0 ||2000 ||5 ||20 ||100 ||''none''
 |-
 |[[egg]] ||9 ||1 ||85 ||80 ||80 ||1 ||80 ||vegetarian
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 |[[lump of royal jelly]] ||15 ||2 ||0 ||200 ||100 ||1 ||200 ||vegetarian
 |-
-|[[corpse]] ([[lichen]]) ||5 ||20 ||0 ||200 ||10 ||3 ||66 ||vegan
+|[[corpse]] ([[lichen]]) ||12 ||20 ||0 ||200 ||10 ||3 ||66 ||vegan
 |-
-|[[corpse]] ([[lizard]]) ||5 ||10 ||0 ||40 ||4 ||3 ||13 ||''none''
+|[[corpse]] ([[lizard]]) ||41 ||10 ||0 ||40 ||4 ||3 ||13 ||''none''
 |-
-|[[corpse]] (other) ||5 ||''varies'' ||0 ||''varies'' ||''varies'' ||''varies'' ||''varies'' ||''varies''
+|[[corpse]] (other) ||''varies'' ||''varies'' ||0 ||''varies'' ||''varies'' ||''varies'' ||''varies'' ||''varies''
 |}
 :<nowiki>*</nowiki> ''For details on the probability of randomly generated tins, see the [[tin]] article.''
-{{upcoming|NetHack 3.7.0|The base cost of corpses, tins and eggs (but not globs) now varies depending on the monster species, and should be marked in the table as such.
+The base cost of corpses, tins and eggs (but not globs) varies depending on the monster species.
 Generally, the base [[monster level]] of the species is multiplied by a number computed from adding up "values" of any intrinsics the species might provide. Certain intrinsics, such as telepathy, have a higher value compared to basic resistances. There are a couple other edge cases:
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 * For corpses only, an additional {{frac|1|30}} of the species' corpse nutrition amount is added prior to the multiplication.
 <!-- I did not go into detail on which intrinsics are worth which "values" or how the calculation works in more detail. This doesn't seem like quite the right page for it, but neither does price identification (which should only be about the strategy of identifying them by cost) or putting redundant information on all of the corpse, tin, and egg pages. -->
 ===Eating corpses===
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 ==References==
 <references/>
-{{nethack-367}}
+{{nethack-500}}
 [[Category:Comestibles]]

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 Tins either contain meat or other parts from monsters (called "tin of ''foo'' meat", or "tin of ''foo''" if vegetarian), or are tins of [[spinach]]. You can use a [[tinning kit]] on an intact corpse to make a tin of it, regardless of that corpse's age. Before you eat a tin, you are notified of its contents; if you chose not to eat it, you "discard the open tin" and it is used up.
-Tins of a monster generally have the same effects as eating that monster's corpse, though without any adverse effects from poison or acid. Their nutrition value depends on the preparation method, which is determined randomly when you open the tin. Tins made from tinning kits are always either homemade or rotten, depending on the kit's beatitude. Tins of deep fried or stir fried monster will give you [[slippery]] fingers; a tin of rotten monster has no nutritional value and will make you [[nauseous]], which causes you to vomit and lose nutrition unless it is cured. Cursed tins are always rotten, and {{frac|8}} of them are booby-trapped to explode when opened.
+Tins of a monster generally have the same effects as eating that monster's corpse, though without any adverse effects from poison or acid. Their nutrition value depends on the preparation method, which is determined randomly when you open the tin. Tins made from tinning kits are always either homemade or rotten, depending on the kit's beatitude. Tins of deep fried or stir fried monster will give you [[slippery fingers]]; a tin of rotten monster has no nutritional value and will make you [[nauseous]], which causes you to vomit and lose nutrition unless it is cured. Cursed tins are always rotten, and {{frac|8}} of them are booby-trapped to explode when opened.
 ===Eating eggs===

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 One of the early goals for any player is to secure an adequate food supply; as discussed above, some roles enter the dungeon with a mostly non-perishable food supply. Most players starting their dungeon exploration will eat the corpses of slain hostiles, or else leave them for their pet (who may just as often get to the corpse first).
-As indicated by one of the many [[rumor]]s available, beginners to ''NetHack'' can use their pet as a very general guide on whether or not a given corpse is safe to eat, or else is poisonous as with [[kobold]] corpses and green and yellow [[mold]]s, and thus better avoided. As they obtain more game experience, a player will eventually learn what specific corpses to prioritize early for nutrition or obtaining intrinsics.
+As indicated by one of the many [[rumor]]s available, beginners to ''NetHack'' can use their pet as a very general guide on whether or not a given corpse is safe to eat, or else is poisonous (e.g., the corpses of [[Kobold (monster class)|kobolds]], [[green mold]]s and [[yellow mold]]s), and thus better avoided. As they obtain more game experience, a player will eventually learn what specific corpses to prioritize early for nutrition or obtaining intrinsics.
 The first consideration in most food-related strategy is typically whether or not you are attempting a [[conduct]]: [[vegetarian]] players will know to avoid anything containing meat, while [[vegan]] players have an even stricter requirement to avoid ''anything'' made with animal products, including eggs or dairy. Fortunately for them, the standard food rations and nameable fruit are always vegan-friendly&mdash;the challenge lies in obtaining intrinsics and other properties from the lower variety of diet-compliant corpses available. Players [[#Foodless conduct|looking to ascend without eating]] have a different set of priorities altogether.

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 As indicated by one of the many [[rumor]]s available, beginners to ''NetHack'' can use their pet as a very general guide on whether or not a given corpse is safe to eat, or else is poisonous as with [[kobold]] corpses and green and yellow [[mold]]s, and thus better avoided. As they obtain more game experience, a player will eventually learn what specific corpses to prioritize early for nutrition or obtaining intrinsics.
-The first consideration in most food-related strategy is typically whether or not you are attempting a [[conduct]] - [[vegetarian]] players will know to avoid anything containing meat, while [[vegan]] players have an even stricter requirement to avoid ''anything'' made with animal products, including eggs or dairy. Fortunately for them, the standard food rations and nameable fruit are always vegan-friendly - the challenge lies in obtaining intrinsics and other properties from the lower variety of diet-compliant corpses available. Players [[#Foodless conduct|looking to ascend without eating]] have a different set of priorities altogether.
+The first consideration in most food-related strategy is typically whether or not you are attempting a [[conduct]]: [[vegetarian]] players will know to avoid anything containing meat, while [[vegan]] players have an even stricter requirement to avoid ''anything'' made with animal products, including eggs or dairy. Fortunately for them, the standard food rations and nameable fruit are always vegan-friendly&mdash;the challenge lies in obtaining intrinsics and other properties from the lower variety of diet-compliant corpses available. Players [[#Foodless conduct|looking to ascend without eating]] have a different set of priorities altogether.
 The next consideration is finding a supply of food: [[Sokoban]] is a common target branch that has several guaranteed food items alongside other loot, and it is usually worth completing one or two floors in order to stockpile permafood. The [[Gnomish Mines]] is another common branch chosen for the abundance of [[Gnome (monster attribute)|gnomes]] and/or [[Dwarf (monster attribute)|dwarves]] that can be eaten, though this is very dependent on your race and alignment as well as conducts; the branch also contains [[Minetown]], which is likely to have a store or two that sells food (unless you happen upon Orctown).
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 ===Foodless conduct===
 {{main|Foodless}}
-It is possible to ascend without eating food at all - this conduct may require the use of a [[ring of slow digestion]], though it is also possible to even ascend without ever gaining nutrition if you are fast (and lucky) enough. There are several alternate methods of procuring nutrition elsewhere, detailed in the article linked just above - below are some of the more common ones:
+It is possible to ascend without eating food at all: this conduct may require the use of a [[ring of slow digestion]], though it is also possible to even ascend without ever gaining nutrition if you are fast (and lucky) enough. There are several alternate methods of procuring nutrition elsewhere, detailed in the article linked just above&mdash;below are some of the more common ones:
-* [[Pray]]ing to your [[god]] when weak or fainting from hunger may make your stomach content, setting your nutrition to 900 - this level of hunger is considered a major [[trouble]]. This is not possible in Gehennom, where your prayers are never answered positively.
+* [[Pray]]ing to your [[god]] when weak or fainting from hunger may make your stomach content, setting your nutrition to 900&mdash;this level of hunger is considered a major [[trouble]]. This is not possible in Gehennom, where your prayers are never answered positively.
 * [[Polymorph]]ing resets your hunger if you polymorph into your own race. Polymorphing into a metallivore to eat metallic items ''violates'' the foodless conduct, but preserves the [[vegan]] conduct unless you eat a tin.
 * An [[amulet of life saving]] revives you with at least 900 nutrition if you die.
-* A liquid diet does not violate foodless conduct - potions of {{! of|fruit juice|water|booze}} each give a small amount of nutrition, and blessing juice and booze before quaffing is ideal if possible. Quaffing from [[fountains]] can also give small amount of nutrition. While it is possible to live off of this for a while, the math works out so that only [[Tourists]] can generate enough potions to last the entire game - this can be done with the blessed [[Platinum Yendorian Express Card]], a [[horn of plenty]], and a ring of slow digestion.
+* A liquid diet does not violate foodless conduct&mdash;potions of {{! of|fruit juice|water|booze}} each give a small amount of nutrition, and blessing juice and booze before quaffing is ideal if possible. Quaffing from [[fountains]] can also give small amount of nutrition. While it is possible to live off of this for a while, the math works out so that only [[Tourists]] can generate enough potions to last the entire game - this can be done with the blessed [[Platinum Yendorian Express Card]], a [[horn of plenty]], and a ring of slow digestion.
 ==Variants==

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 ===Eating eggs===
 {{main|Egg}}
-Eggs provide 80 nutrition and do not rot away - instead, they become stale after 400 turns, and eating a stale egg makes you nauseated for 10d4 (more) turns, which causes you to eventually vomit unless cured.{{refsrc|src/eat.c|1875|version=NetHack 3.6.7}} {{frac|3}} of all generated eggs are of a random non-aquatic, [[oviparous]] monster and will eventually hatch if fresh, and the rest are simply plain eggs. Eating a [[cockatrice]] egg induces delayed [[stoning]] unless you have [[stoning resistance]].{{refsrc|src/eat.c|2232|version=NetHack 3.6.7}} The primary method to learn the type of a given egg is usually to [[identify]] it - seeing an egg hatch will formally identify that type of egg for you.
+Eggs provide 80 nutrition when eaten&mdash;rather than rotting away, eggs become stale after 400 turns, and eating a stale egg makes the hero nauseated for 10d4 (more) turns, which causes them to eventually vomit unless cured.{{refsrc|src/eat.c|1875|version=NetHack 3.6.7}} Monsters eating eggs are not subject to nausea.
-The nausea does not occur if the egg turns out to be [[#Rotten food|rotten]], which is discussed in the section below - this is distinct from the egg being stale, although the message indicating nausea calls the egg "rotten".
+{{frac|3}} of all generated eggs are of a random non-aquatic, [[oviparous]] monster and will eventually hatch if fresh, and the rest are simply plain eggs. Eating a [[cockatrice]] egg induces delayed [[stoning]] unless you have [[stoning resistance]].{{refsrc|src/eat.c|2232|version=NetHack 3.6.7}} The primary method to learn the type of a given egg is usually to [[identify]] it: seeing an egg hatch will formally identify that type of egg for the hero.
 ===Rotten food===

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 Some monsters can also eat food items: [[pet]]s will do so regularly, and like the hero it must eat to stay alive; a [[gelatinous cube]] will eat any food and non-food organic items that it finds. Certain monsters can also eat items besides comestibles (e.g., [[metallivore]]s eat [[metal]] items). Hostile intelligent monsters may still pick up and carry around certain food items.
-{{todo|Eating command needs to be its own article, since certain monsters can eat non-food items. Fill out other variants as well.}}
+{{todo|Fill out other variants, and ensure the following isn't ''too'' redundant with the [[eating]] or [[nutrition]] articles.<!--eating is the action, nutrition is the stat, and comestibles are the group of items-->}}
 ==Generation==

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-In ''[[NetHack]]'', a '''comestible''' is any '''food''' or other edible item, {{white|%}}, that the [[hero]] can eat with the {{kbd|e}} command. Regularly eating is required to keep up your [[nutrition]] levels and avoid [[starvation]], though it is possible to [[ascend]] [[foodless|without eating at all]]. [[Corpse]]s from dead [[monster]]s are among the most common type of comestible, but can rot away if left long enough - non-corpse comestibles do not rot away, and are generally called '''"permafood"'''.
+In ''[[NetHack]]'', a '''comestible''' is any '''food''' or other edible item, {{white|%}}, that the [[hero]] can [[eat]] with the {{kbd|e}} command. Regularly eating is required to keep up your [[nutrition]] levels and avoid [[starvation]], though it is possible to [[ascend]] [[foodless|without eating at all]]. [[Corpse]]s from dead [[monster]]s are among the most common type of comestible, but can rot away if left long enough - non-corpse comestibles do not rot away, and are generally called '''"permafood"'''.
 Some monsters can also eat food items: [[pet]]s will do so regularly, and like the hero it must eat to stay alive; a [[gelatinous cube]] will eat any food and non-food organic items that it finds. Certain monsters can also eat items besides comestibles (e.g., [[metallivore]]s eat [[metal]] items). Hostile intelligent monsters may still pick up and carry around certain food items.

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	:<nowiki>*</nowiki> ''For details on the probability of randomly generated tins, see the [[tin]] article.''		:<nowiki>*</nowiki> ''For details on the probability of randomly generated tins, see the [[tin]] article.''
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		+	{{upcoming\|NetHack 3.7.0\|The base cost of corpses, tins and eggs (but not globs) now varies depending on the monster species, and should be marked in the table as such.
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		+	Generally, the base [[monster level]] of the species is multiplied by a number computed from adding up "values" of any intrinsics the species might provide. Certain intrinsics, such as telepathy, have a higher value compared to basic resistances. There are a couple other edge cases:
		+	* If the species is unique, 50 is added to the multiplier.
		+	* For corpses only, an additional {{frac\|1\|30}} of the species' corpse nutrition amount is added prior to the multiplication.
		+	<!-- I did not go into detail on which intrinsics are worth which "values" or how the calculation works in more detail. This doesn't seem like quite the right page for it, but neither does price identification (which should only be about the strategy of identifying them by cost) or putting redundant information on all of the corpse, tin, and egg pages. -->
		+	}}

	===Eating corpses===		===Eating corpses===

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 Comestibles comprise 20% of all randomly-generated items in the main [[dungeon]], 15% in [[container]]s, 22% on the [[Rogue level]], and 16% in [[Gehennom]]. [[Sokoban]] is a branch that always contains a large amount of food.
-Most roles start with some amount of comestibles in their initial inventory: roles that do not start with food are [[Cavemen]], [[Human (starting race)|human]] [[Rogue]]s, [[Samurai]], and [[Wizard]]s. The specific starting food for applicable roles also depends on the starting race of that particular character - [[Orc (starting race)|orcish]] non-Wizards start with two random food items, each of which may come in a stack of two, in addition to their normal starting inventory.
+Heroes in most roles start with some amount of comestibles in their initial inventory: roles that do not start with food are [[Cavemen]], [[Human (starting race)|human]] [[Rogue]]s, [[Samurai]], and [[Wizard]]s. The specific starting food for applicable roles also depends on the starting race of that particular hero - [[Orc (starting race)|orcish]] heroes that are not Wizards start with two random food items, each of which may come in a stack of two, in addition to their normal starting inventory.{{refsrc|src/u_init.c|850|nethack=3.6.7|comment=non-Wizard orcs get extra food}}
 Monsters are also generated carrying food, such as [[soldier]]s, and many monsters have a varying chance of leaving their corpse behind when killed. Additionally, various [[special room]]s may either contain several food items (e.g., [[anthole]]s and [[beehive]]s) or several monsters that generate with food (e.g. [[barracks]]), and the monsters can themselves be eaten for food as well.
-All non-[[tin]] comestibles are normally generated [[uncursed]], with the exception of those in a player's [[bones]]. Non-corpse comestibles have a chance of being generated in stacks of two: the chance is {{frac|2}} for [[kelp frond]]s and {{frac|6}} for other food.{{refsrc|src/mkobj.c|870|version=NetHack 3.6.7}}{{refsrc|src/mkobj.c|881|version=NetHack 3.6.7}}
+All non-[[tin]] comestibles are normally generated [[uncursed]], with the exception of those in a player's [[bones]]. Non-corpse comestibles have a chance of being generated in stacks of two, with a {{frac|2}} chance for [[kelp frond]]s and {{frac|6}} chance for other food.{{refsrc|src/mkobj.c|870|version=NetHack 3.6.7}}{{refsrc|src/mkobj.c|881|version=NetHack 3.6.7}}
 ==Description==