Extinction - Revision history

Umbire the Phantom: pothole

2026-07-20T05:15:28Z

pothole

Umbire the Phantom: 3.7 isn't fully finished

2025-02-06T22:35:40Z

3.7 isn't fully finished

LarryFluke: I reworked the math after having completed and extinctionist game.

2025-02-06T22:31:18Z

I reworked the math after having completed and extinctionist game.

LarryFluke: The #vanquished command is available in normal mode in Nethack 3.7, so I rephrased the comment about wizard mode.

2024-12-12T00:50:52Z

The #vanquished command is available in normal mode in Nethack 3.7, so I rephrased the comment about wizard mode.

Ion frigate: rephrase a bit - 80-100 hours is actually not that unusual in modern gaming, usually spread out over several months of course

2024-12-11T20:05:31Z

rephrase a bit - 80-100 hours is actually not that unusual in modern gaming, usually spread out over several months of course

LarryFluckiger: Describe how long an extintionist game takes

2024-12-11T16:34:05Z

Describe how long an extintionist game takes

Derekt75: /* Play styles for an extinctionist */ #vanquished is only available in wizard mode

2024-12-06T07:07:41Z

‎Play styles for an extinctionist: #vanquished is only available in wizard mode

LarryFluckiger: Added blue jelly farming.

2024-12-05T19:52:28Z

Added blue jelly farming.

LarryFluckiger: Added a link to the Monster difficulty page.

2024-12-05T19:17:28Z

Added a link to the Monster difficulty page.

LarryFluckiger: I mentioned the #vanquished command.

2024-12-04T00:10:49Z

I mentioned the #vanquished command.

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 * Waiting around on a level for it to be randomly generated.
 * Entering a level containing a special room such as a [[zoo]], or [[beehive]].
-* [[Black pudding]]s summoned by [[kick]]ing a [[sink]]{{refsrc|dokick.c|956}}.
+* [[Black pudding]]s summoned by [[Kick (command)|kicking]] a [[sink]]{{refsrc|dokick.c|956}}.
 * [[Division]] of [[pudding]]s and [[gremlin]]s
 * Applying a [[bag of tricks]]

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 In Nethack, there are about 300 monster types that can be summoned 120 times each, meaning you have to kill about 35,000 monsters in an extinctionist game. If you can summon and kill a monster every 5 seconds on average, plan on about 50 hours of playing time. It's probably more realistic to plan on 70 to 90 hours for an extinctionist game, far longer than the 3-5 hours for a "typical" game.  As this time investment is comparable to that of a (long) AAA title, it is wise to consider whether this is something you actually want to do before committing to an extinctionist game.
-Since extinctionist games take such a long time, it's helpful to be able to track your progress. The [[Monster difficulty]] chart helps; you can judge your progress by the monster types that are still able to be summoned on the current [[dungeon level]] with your current [[experience level]]. If it is available on your system, the #vanquished command will show how many of each type of monster you have defeated.
+Since extinctionist games take such a long time, it's helpful to be able to track your progress. The [[Monster difficulty]] chart helps; you can judge your progress by the monster types that are still able to be summoned on the current [[dungeon level]] with your current [[experience level]]. In [[wizard mode]], the #vanquished command will show how many of each type of monster you have defeated.
 You can deal with peaceful monsters in various ways. You can let your pet kill them, or you can attack and kill them yourself if you manage your [[alignment record]]. You may also choose to [[farming|farm]] [[blue jelly|blue jellies]]. When a blue jelly is summoned in an area where you are [[altar farming]], don't kill it. Instead, use [[conflict]] to let weak monsters attack the blue jelly which will strengthen the jelly and cause it to divide. A farm of two or three blue jellies, together with your ring of conflict, should easily kill [[unicorn|co-aligned unicorns]], for example. Blue jellies that spawn in inconvenient places can be killed, and if they leave a corpse, you can take the corpse to a desired location or level, then revive the corpse with [[undead turning]].
 ==Special cases==

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 A common method to rack up kills is to build a [[boulder fort]] around an [[altar]].  Then stand behind the altar and cast create monster over and over, while killing the resulting monsters and sacrificing them to your god.
-You can either just summon monsters and kill them at random, or try to control your summoning.
+You can either just summon monsters and kill them at random, or try to control your summoning. Controlling your summoning can be done by carefully regulating your own [[experience level]] (either by foregoing experience gain by letting pets and/or conflict take care of kills, or by casting [[drain life]] on yourself when required), and picking which [[dungeon level]] to summon the monsters on.  By keeping your experience level low and staying on a low-numbered dungeon level, you force the game to only summon monsters of a particular [[Monster difficulty|difficulty]] or lower.  In this way you can wipe out all the lower-level monsters, casting and killing until create monster fails.  You can then move down one or two dungeon levels, gain one or two experience levels, OR move down one dungeon level and gain one experience level -- any of those effects will increase the difficulty of available monsters by one (since monsters are generated of difficulty not exceeding to the average of your dungeon level and experience level). This controlled summoning method could also be used from the beginning of the game, before acquiring the quest artifact and key resistances, although as noted above this method is somewhat more fraught with danger.
-Controlling your summoning can be done by carefully regulating your own [[experience level]] (either by foregoing experience gain by letting pets and/or conflict take care of kills, or by casting [[drain life]] on yourself when required), and picking which [[dungeon level]] to summon the monsters on.  By keeping your experience level low and staying on a low-numbered dungeon level, you force the game to only summon monsters of a particular [[Monster difficulty|difficulty]] or lower.  In this way you can wipe out all the lower-level monsters, casting and killing until create monster fails.  You can then move down one or two dungeon levels, gain one or two experience levels, OR move down one dungeon level and gain one experience level -- any of those effects will increase the difficulty of available monsters by one (since monsters are generated of difficulty not exceeding to the average of your dungeon level and experience level).
+In Nethack, there are about 300 monster types that can be summoned 120 times each, meaning you have to kill about 35,000 monsters in an extinctionist game. If you can summon and kill a monster every 5 seconds on average, plan on about 50 hours of playing time. It's probably more realistic to plan on 70 to 90 hours for an extinctionist game, far longer than the 3-5 hours for a "typical" game.  As this time investment is comparable to that of a (long) AAA title, it is wise to consider whether this is something you actually want to do before committing to an extinctionist game.
 Since extinctionist games take such a long time, it's helpful to be able to track your progress. The [[Monster difficulty]] chart helps; you can judge your progress by the monster types that are still able to be summoned on the current [[dungeon level]] with your current [[experience level]]. If it is available on your system, the #vanquished command will show how many of each type of monster you have defeated.

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 In Nethack, there are over 340 monster types that can be summoned 120 times each, meaning you have to kill over 40,000 monsters in an extinctionist game. If you can summon and kill a monster every 5 seconds on average, plan on over 60 hours of playing time. It's probably more realistic to plan on 80 to 100 hours for an extinctionist game, far longer than the 3-5 hours for a "typical" game.  As this time investment is comparable to that of a (long) AAA title, it is wise to consider whether this is something you actually want to do before committing to an extinctionist game.
-Since extinctionist games take such a very long time, it's helpful to be able to track your progress. The [[Monster difficulty]] chart helps; you can judge your progress by the monster types that are still able to be summoned on the current [[dungeon level]] with your current [[experience level]]. In [[wizard mode]], the #vanquished command will show how many of each type of monster you have defeated.
+Since extinctionist games take such a long time, it's helpful to be able to track your progress. The [[Monster difficulty]] chart helps; you can judge your progress by the monster types that are still able to be summoned on the current [[dungeon level]] with your current [[experience level]]. If it is available on your system, the #vanquished command will show how many of each type of monster you have defeated.
 You can deal with peaceful monsters in various ways. You can let your pet kill them, or you can attack and kill them yourself if you manage your [[alignment record]]. You may also choose to [[farming|farm]] [[blue jelly|blue jellies]]. When a blue jelly is summoned in an area where you are [[altar farming]], don't kill it. Instead, use [[conflict]] to let weak monsters attack the blue jelly which will strengthen the jelly and cause it to divide. A farm of two or three blue jellies, together with your ring of conflict, should easily kill [[unicorn|co-aligned unicorns]], for example. Blue jellies that spawn in inconvenient places can be killed, and if they leave a corpse, you can take the corpse to a desired location or level, then revive the corpse with [[undead turning]].

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 This controlled summoning method could also be used from the beginning of the game, before acquiring the quest artifact and key resistances, although as noted above this method is somewhat more fraught with danger.
-In Nethack, there are over 340 monster types that can be summoned 120 times each, meaning you have to kill over 40,000 monsters in an extinctionist game. If you can summon and kill a monster every 5 seconds on average, plan on over 60 hours of playing time. It's probably more realistic to plan on 80 to 100 hours for an extinctionist game, so you should probably reexamine your life priorities before you commit to extinctionism.
+In Nethack, there are over 340 monster types that can be summoned 120 times each, meaning you have to kill over 40,000 monsters in an extinctionist game. If you can summon and kill a monster every 5 seconds on average, plan on over 60 hours of playing time. It's probably more realistic to plan on 80 to 100 hours for an extinctionist game, far longer than the 3-5 hours for a "typical" game.  As this time investment is comparable to that of a (long) AAA title, it is wise to consider whether this is something you actually want to do before committing to an extinctionist game.
 Since extinctionist games take such a very long time, it's helpful to be able to track your progress. The [[Monster difficulty]] chart helps; you can judge your progress by the monster types that are still able to be summoned on the current [[dungeon level]] with your current [[experience level]]. In [[wizard mode]], the #vanquished command will show how many of each type of monster you have defeated.

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	Extinctionist games take a very long time, so it's helpful to be able to track your progress. The [[Monster difficulty]] chart helps; you can judge your progress by the monster types that are still able to be summoned on the current [[dungeon level]] with your current [[experience level]]. Also, the #vanquished command will show how many of each type of monster you have defeated.		Extinctionist games take a very long time, so it's helpful to be able to track your progress. The [[Monster difficulty]] chart helps; you can judge your progress by the monster types that are still able to be summoned on the current [[dungeon level]] with your current [[experience level]]. Also, the #vanquished command will show how many of each type of monster you have defeated.
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		+	You can deal with peaceful monsters in various ways. You can let your pet kill them, or you can attack and kill them yourself if you manage your [[alignment record]]. You may also choose to [[farming\|farm]] [[blue jelly\|blue jellies]]. When a blue jelly is summoned in an area where you are [[altar farming]], don't kill it. Instead, use [[conflict]] to let weak monsters attack the blue jelly which will strengthen the jelly and cause it to divide. A farm of two or three blue jellies, together with your ring of conflict, should easily kill [[unicorn\|co-aligned unicorns]], for example. Blue jellies that spawn in inconvenient places can be killed, and if they leave a corpse, you can take the corpse to a desired location or level, then revive the corpse with [[undead turning]].

	==Special cases==		==Special cases==

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	This controlled summoning method could also be used from the beginning of the game, before acquiring the quest artifact and key resistances, although as noted above this method is somewhat more fraught with danger.		This controlled summoning method could also be used from the beginning of the game, before acquiring the quest artifact and key resistances, although as noted above this method is somewhat more fraught with danger.
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		+	If supported on your system, the #vanquished command will show how many of each type of monster you have defeated. Extinctionist games take a very long time, so it's helpful to be able to track your progress.

	==Special cases==		==Special cases==