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Umbire the Phantom: /* Gaining intrinsics */ pothole et. al.

2025-06-24T14:18:53Z

‎Gaining intrinsics: pothole et. al.

Furey: /* Successes */ delinkify people who don't have articles. If someone writes those articles, they will have to do a search and relinkify. Also, http -> https, and fix some redlinks.

2024-06-16T18:46:55Z

‎Successes: delinkify people who don't have articles. If someone writes those articles, they will have to do a search and relinkify. Also, http -> https, and fix some redlinks.

Ardub23: Cleanup

2021-07-12T05:25:22Z

Cleanup

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Andrio Celos: Link to NetHack 3.7.0 specifically.

2021-02-16T02:55:19Z

Link to NetHack 3.7.0 specifically.

Actual-nh: /* Restoring nutrition */ Grammar/style

2021-02-12T04:44:16Z

‎Restoring nutrition: Grammar/style

Andrio Celos: /* Dual slow digestion */ The dual ring of slow digestion trick no longer works, as ring hunger is no longer deterministic.

2020-09-20T06:53:22Z

‎Dual slow digestion: The dual ring of slow digestion trick no longer works, as ring hunger is no longer deterministic.

PlNG: Better local link

2019-09-07T15:27:43Z

Better local link

ChasonBot at 08:33, 19 December 2015

2015-12-19T08:33:04Z

128.232.64.23: /* Restoring nutrition */

2015-12-02T16:04:35Z

‎Restoring nutrition

128.232.64.23: "Starving" in source refers to the major trouble of Weak or worse. Rearrange sentence.

2015-12-02T16:02:04Z

"Starving" in source refers to the major trouble of Weak or worse. Rearrange sentence.

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-[[Fire resistance]] is much less urgent if you detect and avoid [[fire trap]]s, e.g. with the {{spell of|detect unseen}} spell or the [[PYEC]] and a [[crystal ball]]. Spellcasters (especially Wizards with [[hungerless casting]]) can simply use skilled [[spellbook of detect monsters|monster detection]] to substitute for [[telepathy]].
+[[Fire resistance]] is much less urgent if you detect and avoid [[fire trap]]s, e.g. with the {{spell of|detect unseen}} spell or the [[PYEC]] and a [[crystal ball]]. Spellcasters (especially Wizards with [[hungerless casting]]) can simply use the Skilled (or better) {{+ of|detect monsters}} spell to substitute for [[telepathy]].
 Once you have reflection, can reliably avoid traps, have poison resistance, and have free action, the other resistances can generally be missed just fine.

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 == Successes ==
-* [[Daniel Ligon]] describes the first known foodless ascension [http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.roguelike.nethack/msg/6358aef547856b4f here on RGRN].
+* Daniel Ligon describes the first known foodless ascension [http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.roguelike.nethack/msg/6358aef547856b4f here on RGRN].
-* [[Michael Anthony]] Bayazes describes his foodless, [[polyless]], [[atheist]] [[Wizard]] [http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.roguelike.nethack/msg/ba6659e795daae5 here on RGRN].
+* Michael Anthony Bayazes describes his foodless, [[polyselfless]], [[atheist]] [[Wizard]] [https://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.roguelike.nethack/msg/ba6659e795daae5 here on RGRN].
-* [[Marvin]] describes his foodless, [[atheist]], [[survivor]] Wizard [http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.roguelike.nethack/msg/ce027402edf203d5 here on RGRN].
+* [[Marvin]] describes his foodless, [[atheist]], [[survivor]] Wizard [https://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.roguelike.nethack/msg/ce027402edf203d5 here on RGRN].
-* [[Robert R Schneck]] describes his [[liquid diet]] foodless, [[atheist]], true [[polyselfless]], [[survivor]] [[Tourist]] [http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.roguelike.nethack/msg/a987da11a8df6d6b here on RGRN].
+* Robert R Schneck describes his liquid diet foodless, [[atheist]], true [[polyselfless]], [[survivor]] [[Tourist]] [https://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.roguelike.nethack/msg/a987da11a8df6d6b here on RGRN].
-* [[eit_brad]] describes his ten-conduct ascension (including foodless) [http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.roguelike.nethack/msg/016809b655d94331 here on RGRN].
+* eit_brad describes his ten-conduct ascension (including foodless) [https://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.roguelike.nethack/msg/016809b655d94331 here on RGRN].
 .2% of all winning accounts on [[NAO]] have a foodless ascension.

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 Abusing the [[dual ring of slow digestion bug]] to, ideally, never lose any points of nutrition.
-{{upcoming|NetHack 3.7|The dual ring of slow digestion trick no longer works, as ring hunger is no longer deterministic.}}
+{{upcoming|NetHack 3.7.0|The dual ring of slow digestion trick no longer works, as ring hunger is no longer deterministic.}}
 == Successes ==

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 * [[Quaff]]ing an [[uncursed]] [[potion of water]] restores 1d10 nutrition.{{refsrc|potion.c|452}}
-Any [[potion]] except for a [[potion of acid]] can processed: [[wet|Dilute]] it, [[alchemy|dip]] a large stack of water into anything else for a 1/4 chance of [[potion of sickness|sickness]], convert to [[fruit juice]] by [[cancel]]ling with a [[wand of cancellation|wand]], [[spellbook of cancellation|spell]] or dipping a [[unicorn horn]], and optionally alchemize with [[potion of speed|speed]] for [[potion of booze|booze]] to double its nutritional value.
+Any [[potion]] except for a [[potion of acid]] can be processed: [[wet|Dilute]] it, [[alchemy|dip]] a large stack of water into anything else for a 1/4 chance of [[potion of sickness|sickness]], convert to [[fruit juice]] by [[cancel]]ling with a [[wand of cancellation|wand]], [[spellbook of cancellation|spell]] or dipping a [[unicorn horn]], and optionally alchemize with [[potion of speed|speed]] for [[potion of booze|booze]] to double its nutritional value.
 ==== When to pray ====

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 ==== When to pray ====
-Successfully praying and having your hunger cured restores your nutrition to 900 points. If you pray after 900 turns when you're hungry again, the prayer will succeed if your [[prayer timeout]] was less than 1100. Your prayer will fail with a ~7% chance. If instead you spend some turns in the Fainting state, until 1200 turns have passed since your last prayer, and only then pray, you will succeed if your prayer timeout was less then 1400. Now your chance of failure is only around 2%. <ref>http://nethackwiki.com/wiki/File:PrayerTimeoutConfidenceHappy95.svg</ref> Thus if your foodless strategy relies on repeatedly praying for food (until you find a ring of slow digestion), you should consider finding a safe place to faint to increase your odds of succesfully praying.
+Successfully praying and having your hunger cured restores your nutrition to 900 points. If you pray after 900 turns when you're hungry again, the prayer will succeed if your [[prayer timeout]] was less than 1100. Your prayer will fail with a ~7% chance. If instead you spend some turns in the Fainting state, until 1200 turns have passed since your last prayer, and only then pray, you will succeed if your prayer timeout was less than 1400. Now your chance of failure is only around 2%. <ref>[[:File:PrayerTimeoutConfidenceHappy95.svg|Graph of Prayer Timeout Confidence]]</ref> Thus if your foodless strategy relies on repeatedly praying for food (until you find a ring of slow digestion), you should consider finding a safe place to faint to increase your odds of successfully praying.
 === Keeping nutrition ===

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 The following activities restore nutrition to some set amount:
-* [[Pray]]ing while [[Hungry]] or worse may restore your nutrition to 900.{{refsrc|pray.c|306}}
+* [[Pray]]ing while [[Hungry]] or worse may restore your nutrition to 900.{{refsrc|pray.c|306}} It is normally best to wait until [[Weak]]; being Weak or worse is considered a major [[Trouble|problem]] and if prayer works at all it will cure your worst major problem.
 * Activating an [[amulet of life saving]] with less than 500 nutrition restores your nutrition to 500.{{refsrc|end.c|417}}
 * [[Polymorph]]ing into your own race sets your nutrition to 499 + 1d500.{{refsrc|polyself.c|189}}

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 * Quaffing a potion (even [[potion of fruit juice|fruit juice]], [[potion of booze|booze]], or [[potion of water|water]]).
 * Attacking while [[polymorph]]ed into a [[vampire]] so as to drink blood. This will only give nutrition in [[SLASH'EM]], however.
-* [[Prayer|Praying]] while starving and receiving nutrition from your god.
+* Receiving nutrition from your god by [[Prayer|Praying]] when [[Hungry]] or worse.
 == Starving ==