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		<title>79.210.26.69 at 17:50, 15 September 2013</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l12&quot; &gt;Line 12:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:I think it's a good idea to add the starting skill to the table (in some reasonable format). Technically, you generate the tables from [[NetHackWiki:Skill_table_generator]] and then edit the individual templates, such as [[Template:Archeologist_skill_table]]. --[[User:Tjr|Tjr]] ([[User talk:Tjr|talk]]) 16:38, 15 September 2013 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:I think it's a good idea to add the starting skill to the table (in some reasonable format). Technically, you generate the tables from [[NetHackWiki:Skill_table_generator]] and then edit the individual templates, such as [[Template:Archeologist_skill_table]]. --[[User:Tjr|Tjr]] ([[User talk:Tjr|talk]]) 16:38, 15 September 2013 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;::OK patching the Skill_table_generator would be very difficult, beacause the starting inventory dependend skills would require linking a large part of nethack to it, and further I have no C++ compiler. I'll add it manually to the pages. --[[Special:Contributions/79.210.26.69|79.210.26.69]] 17:50, 15 September 2013 (UTC)&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<title>Tjr: yes</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;yes&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l10&quot; &gt;Line 10:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;The interesting question is the format of that information. It would be nice to set an asterix in the skill table behind a skill that starts basic, and an ittalic line below that tells the reader that the asterix means. The problem is how to edit the skill tables ? In the pages there are macros used like &amp;quot;archeologist skill table&amp;quot; in curly brackets, but how to edit theese macros ?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;The interesting question is the format of that information. It would be nice to set an asterix in the skill table behind a skill that starts basic, and an ittalic line below that tells the reader that the asterix means. The problem is how to edit the skill tables ? In the pages there are macros used like &amp;quot;archeologist skill table&amp;quot; in curly brackets, but how to edit theese macros ?&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;--[[Special:Contributions/79.210.26.69|79.210.26.69]] 16:29, 15 September 2013 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;--[[Special:Contributions/79.210.26.69|79.210.26.69]] 16:29, 15 September 2013 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;:I think it's a good idea to add the starting skill to the table (in some reasonable format). Technically, you generate the tables from [[NetHackWiki:Skill_table_generator]] and then edit the individual templates, such as [[Template:Archeologist_skill_table]]. --[[User:Tjr|Tjr]] ([[User talk:Tjr|talk]]) 16:38, 15 September 2013 (UTC)&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<title>79.210.26.69: Created page with &quot;{{Forumheader|Watercooler}}  &lt;!-- Please put your content under this line.  Be sure to sign your edits with four tildes ~~~~ --&gt;  In the Pages, that descrpie the different rol...&quot;</title>
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In the Pages, that descrpie the different roles, the starting-skills are missing. If you give me the permission, I could add them. The reason is, that the starting-skills are less obvious, as it seems in the first place, because of the following idiosyncrasis :&lt;br /&gt;
* Roles that can reach master in barehandet-combat or marterial arts start basic in this profession. Roles, that don't reach master start unskilled. This is independet of the fact if they start with a weapon. (Barabarian, Caveman, Monk (obvious) and Samurai start basic; Tourist start unskilled, despite lacking a weapon)&lt;br /&gt;
* Roles that start with possible ammunition for a launcher start basic in the skill of that launcher, no matter if they posess such a launcher. (Archeologists start basic in sling, because they have a touchstone)&lt;br /&gt;
* Spellcasting skills are hardcoded and independent of starting inventory (Wizards:attack,enchantment; Healer:healing; Priest:clerical; Monk:healing). This means for example a wizard, starting with a spellbook of light will be unskilled in divination, but basic in enchantment.&lt;br /&gt;
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The interesting question is the format of that information. It would be nice to set an asterix in the skill table behind a skill that starts basic, and an ittalic line below that tells the reader that the asterix means. The problem is how to edit the skill tables ? In the pages there are macros used like &amp;quot;archeologist skill table&amp;quot; in curly brackets, but how to edit theese macros ?&lt;br /&gt;
--[[Special:Contributions/79.210.26.69|79.210.26.69]] 16:29, 15 September 2013 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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