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		<title>Tjr: throne farming: monster generation rate</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;throne farming: monster generation rate&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l5&quot; &gt;Line 5:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:I wish I knew.  I was in an almost identical situation, and I had to work through tens of thousands of puddings before I finally got the candles.  Make sure you've thoroughly searched Gehennom, all those obscure corners of the Quest, etc. --[[User:Darth l33t|Darth l33t]] 05:40, 2 January 2011 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:I wish I knew.  I was in an almost identical situation, and I had to work through tens of thousands of puddings before I finally got the candles.  Make sure you've thoroughly searched Gehennom, all those obscure corners of the Quest, etc. --[[User:Darth l33t|Darth l33t]] 05:40, 2 January 2011 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;−&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:: No, you're limited to [[death drop]]s, items generated along with levels, and breaking conducts. See [[User:Tjr/object_generation_spoiler]] if want a source code reading guide how objects are generated. However, you might have missed objects lying in niches or in places such as Fort Ludios. --[[User:Tjr|Tjr]] 13:50, 2 January 2011 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:: No, you're limited to [[death drop]]s, items generated along with levels, and breaking conducts. See [[User:Tjr/object_generation_spoiler]] if want a source code reading guide how objects are generated. However, you might have missed objects lying in &lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;doorless &lt;/ins&gt;niches or in places such as Fort Ludios. --[[User:Tjr|Tjr]] 13:50, 2 January 2011 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;::BTW, [[throne farming]] is faster than [[pudding farming]]. --[[User:Tjr|Tjr]]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;::BTW, [[throne farming]] is faster than [[pudding farming]]. --[[User:Tjr|Tjr]]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:::I was afraid of that. Makes me miss SLASH'EM's wax golem. I think I'm just going to break wishless, as I'm already sick of farming without seeing any results.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:::I was afraid of that. Makes me miss SLASH'EM's wax golem. I think I'm just going to break wishless, as I'm already sick of farming without seeing any results.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:::Also, why would throne farming be faster? I can see the appeal when you're after potions and scrolls, as those would be generated with the monster, but I can only get candles from death drops. If I'm only after death drops, why would confusing myself and potentially creating dragons be faster than creating 1 HP puddings? -- [[User:Qazmlpok|Qazmlpok]] 15:01, 2 January 2011 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:::Also, why would throne farming be faster? I can see the appeal when you're after potions and scrolls, as those would be generated with the monster, but I can only get candles from death drops. If I'm only after death drops, why would confusing myself and potentially creating dragons be faster than creating 1 HP puddings? -- [[User:Qazmlpok|Qazmlpok]] 15:01, 2 January 2011 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;:::: The maximal rate of monster generation is faster: with throne farming, you can easily create 4 monsters per player action. I never estimated how many turns you would need to kill them, though. --[[User:Tjr|Tjr]] 16:33, 2 January 2011 (UTC)&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<title>Qazmlpok at 15:01, 2 January 2011</title>
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		<updated>2011-01-02T15:01:16Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l7&quot; &gt;Line 7:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:: No, you're limited to [[death drop]]s, items generated along with levels, and breaking conducts. See [[User:Tjr/object_generation_spoiler]] if want a source code reading guide how objects are generated. However, you might have missed objects lying in niches or in places such as Fort Ludios. --[[User:Tjr|Tjr]] 13:50, 2 January 2011 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:: No, you're limited to [[death drop]]s, items generated along with levels, and breaking conducts. See [[User:Tjr/object_generation_spoiler]] if want a source code reading guide how objects are generated. However, you might have missed objects lying in niches or in places such as Fort Ludios. --[[User:Tjr|Tjr]] 13:50, 2 January 2011 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;::BTW, [[throne farming]] is faster than [[pudding farming]]. --[[User:Tjr|Tjr]]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;::BTW, [[throne farming]] is faster than [[pudding farming]]. --[[User:Tjr|Tjr]]&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;:::I was afraid of that. Makes me miss SLASH'EM's wax golem. I think I'm just going to break wishless, as I'm already sick of farming without seeing any results.&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;:::Also, why would throne farming be faster? I can see the appeal when you're after potions and scrolls, as those would be generated with the monster, but I can only get candles from death drops. If I'm only after death drops, why would confusing myself and potentially creating dragons be faster than creating 1 HP puddings? -- [[User:Qazmlpok|Qazmlpok]] 15:01, 2 January 2011 (UTC)&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<title>Tjr: suggest throne farming</title>
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		<updated>2011-01-02T13:51:03Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;suggest throne farming&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:: No, you're limited to [[death drop]]s, items generated along with levels, and breaking conducts. See [[User:Tjr/object_generation_spoiler]] if want a source code reading guide how objects are generated. However, you might have missed objects lying in niches or in places such as Fort Ludios. --[[User:Tjr|Tjr]] 13:50, 2 January 2011 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:: No, you're limited to [[death drop]]s, items generated along with levels, and breaking conducts. See [[User:Tjr/object_generation_spoiler]] if want a source code reading guide how objects are generated. However, you might have missed objects lying in niches or in places such as Fort Ludios. --[[User:Tjr|Tjr]] 13:50, 2 January 2011 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;::BTW, [[throne farming]] is faster than [[pudding farming]]. --[[User:Tjr|Tjr]]&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<title>Tjr: no other options.</title>
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		<updated>2011-01-02T13:50:25Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;no other options.&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l4&quot; &gt;Line 4:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;The RNG handed me one of the unfortunate games of nethack where there aren't enough candles in Izchak's store. Up till now I've kept Wishless and Polyless conduct so I'd prefer to not wish or poly for the needed candles. I have 4 candles, and going through every level didn't seem to give me any others. The only other decent source of candles I can think of is from a pudding farm. I've already set up a farm, but several hundred puddings later I haven't gotten any more candles. Are there any other good options for getting the candles while keeping conduct, or are my options limited to &amp;quot;Farm puddings&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;break wishless&amp;quot;? -- [[User:Qazmlpok|Qazmlpok]] 04:07, 2 January 2011 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;The RNG handed me one of the unfortunate games of nethack where there aren't enough candles in Izchak's store. Up till now I've kept Wishless and Polyless conduct so I'd prefer to not wish or poly for the needed candles. I have 4 candles, and going through every level didn't seem to give me any others. The only other decent source of candles I can think of is from a pudding farm. I've already set up a farm, but several hundred puddings later I haven't gotten any more candles. Are there any other good options for getting the candles while keeping conduct, or are my options limited to &amp;quot;Farm puddings&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;break wishless&amp;quot;? -- [[User:Qazmlpok|Qazmlpok]] 04:07, 2 January 2011 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:I wish I knew.  I was in an almost identical situation, and I had to work through tens of thousands of puddings before I finally got the candles.  Make sure you've thoroughly searched Gehennom, all those obscure corners of the Quest, etc. --[[User:Darth l33t|Darth l33t]] 05:40, 2 January 2011 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:I wish I knew.  I was in an almost identical situation, and I had to work through tens of thousands of puddings before I finally got the candles.  Make sure you've thoroughly searched Gehennom, all those obscure corners of the Quest, etc. --[[User:Darth l33t|Darth l33t]] 05:40, 2 January 2011 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;:: No, you're limited to [[death drop]]s, items generated along with levels, and breaking conducts. See [[User:Tjr/object_generation_spoiler]] if want a source code reading guide how objects are generated. However, you might have missed objects lying in niches or in places such as Fort Ludios. --[[User:Tjr|Tjr]] 13:50, 2 January 2011 (UTC)&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;The RNG handed me one of the unfortunate games of nethack where there aren't enough candles in Izchak's store. Up till now I've kept Wishless and Polyless conduct so I'd prefer to not wish or poly for the needed candles. I have 4 candles, and going through every level didn't seem to give me any others. The only other decent source of candles I can think of is from a pudding farm. I've already set up a farm, but several hundred puddings later I haven't gotten any more candles. Are there any other good options for getting the candles while keeping conduct, or are my options limited to &amp;quot;Farm puddings&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;break wishless&amp;quot;? -- [[User:Qazmlpok|Qazmlpok]] 04:07, 2 January 2011 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;The RNG handed me one of the unfortunate games of nethack where there aren't enough candles in Izchak's store. Up till now I've kept Wishless and Polyless conduct so I'd prefer to not wish or poly for the needed candles. I have 4 candles, and going through every level didn't seem to give me any others. The only other decent source of candles I can think of is from a pudding farm. I've already set up a farm, but several hundred puddings later I haven't gotten any more candles. Are there any other good options for getting the candles while keeping conduct, or are my options limited to &amp;quot;Farm puddings&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;break wishless&amp;quot;? -- [[User:Qazmlpok|Qazmlpok]] 04:07, 2 January 2011 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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The RNG handed me one of the unfortunate games of nethack where there aren't enough candles in Izchak's store. Up till now I've kept Wishless and Polyless conduct so I'd prefer to not wish or poly for the needed candles. I have 4 candles, and going through every level didn't seem to give me any others. The only other decent source of candles I can think of is from a pudding farm. I've already set up a farm, but several hundred puddings later I haven't gotten any more candles. Are there any other good options for getting the candles while keeping conduct, or are my options limited to &amp;quot;Farm puddings&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;break wishless&amp;quot;? -- [[User:Qazmlpok|Qazmlpok]] 04:07, 2 January 2011 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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