Forum:Question about "optional" features - Revision history

Aitherion at 00:02, 26 August 2013

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Tjr: autoconf patch

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autoconf patch

Elenmirie at 09:01, 22 August 2013

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Tjr at 19:37, 21 August 2013

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Paxed: exe is the product of compiling

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exe is the product of compiling

194.116.198.185: my dev hat is very small, looks funny and is broken (CAPNTHA: What symbol represents a kitchen sink...)

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my dev hat is very small, looks funny and is broken (CAPNTHA: What symbol represents a kitchen sink...)

86.145.203.49 at 11:55, 21 August 2013

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Kufat at 04:39, 21 August 2013

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Hhyloc at 00:57, 21 August 2013

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Aitherion at 17:27, 20 August 2013

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 ..and sort of a secondary question: why would these options be present to begin with? I don't really get it. Why would you single out Tourists in particular? Why is one not able to 'compile out' Monks or Archeologists or whatever else? And ...why sinks? Why not fountains or treasure zoos or the Oracle or anything else that may or may not be present in the Mazes of Menace? It seems so bizarre and oddly specific, and I've never seen a proper explanation of this. Even in the official instruction file that comes with the game, it's only given a passing mention when it has to clarify that sinks only appear "if your dungeon has sinks" and things like that. Very confusing. [[Special:Contributions/86.145.203.49|86.145.203.49]] 15:55, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
-:If I had to guess, it's because of the weird tech levels that these things imply. The Tourist (and associated items- Hawaiian shirt, expensive camera, credit card) and the sink (Which implies modern plumbing of a level above fountains) are both of more modern technology, and the Tourist itself is even a massive reference to Discworld in how it's applied- this kind of thing, as well as the Keystone Kops being kind of insanely goofy, might take away immersion that people have by being of a different type of fantasy than the remainder of the game.
+:If I had to guess, it's because of the weird tech levels that these things imply. The Tourist (and associated items- [[Hawaiian shirt]], [[expensive camera]], [[credit card]]) and the [[sink]] (Which implies modern plumbing of a level above fountains) are both of more modern technology, and the Tourist itself is even a massive reference to Discworld in how it's applied- this kind of thing, as well as the Keystone Kops being kind of insanely goofy, might take away immersion that people have by being of a different type of fantasy than the remainder of the game.
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 :Elbereth is a weird feature that people might not know about anyway. No real reason I can think of for that one other than "making the game harder".

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	:Hi - if you want to tinker with compile-time options, you will need to download the source code (available on nethack.org lower down on the download page where you got your executable) and compile it yourself. This requires a certain amount of [[compiling\|geekery]]. Hope this helps. -- [[User:Elenmirie\|Elenmirie]] ([[User talk:Elenmirie\|talk]]) 09:01, 22 August 2013 (UTC)		:Hi - if you want to tinker with compile-time options, you will need to download the source code (available on nethack.org lower down on the download page where you got your executable) and compile it yourself. This requires a certain amount of [[compiling\|geekery]]. Hope this helps. -- [[User:Elenmirie\|Elenmirie]] ([[User talk:Elenmirie\|talk]]) 09:01, 22 August 2013 (UTC)
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		+	::The autoconf patch from bilious.alt.org significantly reduces the amount of geekery needed. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] ([[User talk:Tjr\|talk]]) 19:06, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

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	::I think the devteam made new features optional to pacify the die-hard fans who would complain about anything "impure". Of course, time goes by, and everybody is happy with the new features. But the option to disable them lingers around.		::I think the devteam made new features optional to pacify the die-hard fans who would complain about anything "impure". Of course, time goes by, and everybody is happy with the new features. But the option to disable them lingers around.
	:: Tourists specifically were added as a kind of hard mode. That implies the game was too easy. Not everybody agreed, hence the option to disable tourists. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] ([[User talk:Tjr\|talk]]) 19:37, 21 August 2013 (UTC)		:: Tourists specifically were added as a kind of hard mode. That implies the game was too easy. Not everybody agreed, hence the option to disable tourists. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] ([[User talk:Tjr\|talk]]) 19:37, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
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		+	:Hi - if you want to tinker with compile-time options, you will need to download the source code (available on nethack.org lower down on the download page where you got your executable) and compile it yourself. This requires a certain amount of [[compiling\|geekery]]. Hope this helps. -- [[User:Elenmirie\|Elenmirie]] ([[User talk:Elenmirie\|talk]]) 09:01, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

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	:The nethack.exe is produced when you [[compiling\|compile]] the source code, so yes, it's too late by that time. --[[User:Paxed\|paxed]] ([[User talk:Paxed\|talk]]) 13:23, 21 August 2013 (UTC)		:The nethack.exe is produced when you [[compiling\|compile]] the source code, so yes, it's too late by that time. --[[User:Paxed\|paxed]] ([[User talk:Paxed\|talk]]) 13:23, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
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		+	::I think the devteam made new features optional to pacify the die-hard fans who would complain about anything "impure". Of course, time goes by, and everybody is happy with the new features. But the option to disable them lingers around.
		+	:: Tourists specifically were added as a kind of hard mode. That implies the game was too easy. Not everybody agreed, hence the option to disable tourists. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] ([[User talk:Tjr\|talk]]) 19:37, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

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	Thanks for answering my question. I always considered NetHack to have a tongue-in-cheek style, so I never really thought that some people would scoff at the game containing anachronisms. However, I want to ask something in very, very simple terms. Here is what I know of so far: I have an internet browser. I go to nethack.com and download NetHack 3.4.3 from their 'downloads' page. I get a ZIP file, which I extract by right-clicking. I open the file and run NetHack.exe and all of a sudden I'm playing the game. Nowhere during this process was I ever given the options of adding or removing these so-called optional features. Am I right in thinking that by the time I have the 'nethack.exe' file, am I too late? Because it has already been compiled at this point, right? How do I even get a chance to do anything to the file before I acquire it from the site? [[Special:Contributions/86.145.203.49\|86.145.203.49]] 11:55, 21 August 2013 (UTC)		Thanks for answering my question. I always considered NetHack to have a tongue-in-cheek style, so I never really thought that some people would scoff at the game containing anachronisms. However, I want to ask something in very, very simple terms. Here is what I know of so far: I have an internet browser. I go to nethack.com and download NetHack 3.4.3 from their 'downloads' page. I get a ZIP file, which I extract by right-clicking. I open the file and run NetHack.exe and all of a sudden I'm playing the game. Nowhere during this process was I ever given the options of adding or removing these so-called optional features. Am I right in thinking that by the time I have the 'nethack.exe' file, am I too late? Because it has already been compiled at this point, right? How do I even get a chance to do anything to the file before I acquire it from the site? [[Special:Contributions/86.145.203.49\|86.145.203.49]] 11:55, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
	:is it not also that such features were added to an existing game. as a development strategy you can add the compile variable first and then check any new output with the option turned off against the original. if it differs then you've broken something. --[[Special:Contributions/194.116.198.185\|194.116.198.185]] 12:23, 21 August 2013 (UTC)		:is it not also that such features were added to an existing game. as a development strategy you can add the compile variable first and then check any new output with the option turned off against the original. if it differs then you've broken something. --[[Special:Contributions/194.116.198.185\|194.116.198.185]] 12:23, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
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		+	:The nethack.exe is produced when you [[compiling\|compile]] the source code, so yes, it's too late by that time. --[[User:Paxed\|paxed]] ([[User talk:Paxed\|talk]]) 13:23, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

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	Thanks for answering my question. I always considered NetHack to have a tongue-in-cheek style, so I never really thought that some people would scoff at the game containing anachronisms. However, I want to ask something in very, very simple terms. Here is what I know of so far: I have an internet browser. I go to nethack.com and download NetHack 3.4.3 from their 'downloads' page. I get a ZIP file, which I extract by right-clicking. I open the file and run NetHack.exe and all of a sudden I'm playing the game. Nowhere during this process was I ever given the options of adding or removing these so-called optional features. Am I right in thinking that by the time I have the 'nethack.exe' file, am I too late? Because it has already been compiled at this point, right? How do I even get a chance to do anything to the file before I acquire it from the site? [[Special:Contributions/86.145.203.49\|86.145.203.49]] 11:55, 21 August 2013 (UTC)		Thanks for answering my question. I always considered NetHack to have a tongue-in-cheek style, so I never really thought that some people would scoff at the game containing anachronisms. However, I want to ask something in very, very simple terms. Here is what I know of so far: I have an internet browser. I go to nethack.com and download NetHack 3.4.3 from their 'downloads' page. I get a ZIP file, which I extract by right-clicking. I open the file and run NetHack.exe and all of a sudden I'm playing the game. Nowhere during this process was I ever given the options of adding or removing these so-called optional features. Am I right in thinking that by the time I have the 'nethack.exe' file, am I too late? Because it has already been compiled at this point, right? How do I even get a chance to do anything to the file before I acquire it from the site? [[Special:Contributions/86.145.203.49\|86.145.203.49]] 11:55, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
		+	:is it not also that such features were added to an existing game. as a development strategy you can add the compile variable first and then check any new output with the option turned off against the original. if it differs then you've broken something. --[[Special:Contributions/194.116.198.185\|194.116.198.185]] 12:23, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

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	The features in question are set in the source's configuration header before compiling; you can change whether they're present or not via editing <tt>include/config.h</tt>. Some variants allow you to set them via command-line options when compiling (Slash'EM, UnNetHack) or (for some of the options) in-game (NitroHack, NetHack 4). (Interestingly, SCORE_ON_BOTL is off by default; autopickup exceptions are also off by default but that's because the devteam weren't confident that that code worked properly.) [[User:Ais523\|Ais523]] ([[User talk:Ais523\|talk]]) 17:12, 20 August 2013 (UTC)		The features in question are set in the source's configuration header before compiling; you can change whether they're present or not via editing <tt>include/config.h</tt>. Some variants allow you to set them via command-line options when compiling (Slash'EM, UnNetHack) or (for some of the options) in-game (NitroHack, NetHack 4). (Interestingly, SCORE_ON_BOTL is off by default; autopickup exceptions are also off by default but that's because the devteam weren't confident that that code worked properly.) [[User:Ais523\|Ais523]] ([[User talk:Ais523\|talk]]) 17:12, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
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		+	Thanks for answering my question. I always considered NetHack to have a tongue-in-cheek style, so I never really thought that some people would scoff at the game containing anachronisms. However, I want to ask something in very, very simple terms. Here is what I know of so far: I have an internet browser. I go to nethack.com and download NetHack 3.4.3 from their 'downloads' page. I get a ZIP file, which I extract by right-clicking. I open the file and run NetHack.exe and all of a sudden I'm playing the game. Nowhere during this process was I ever given the options of adding or removing these so-called optional features. Am I right in thinking that by the time I have the 'nethack.exe' file, am I too late? Because it has already been compiled at this point, right? How do I even get a chance to do anything to the file before I acquire it from the site? [[Special:Contributions/86.145.203.49\|86.145.203.49]] 11:55, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

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 ::I'm not sure about Elbereth, but I've seen some people didn't want to use Elbereth at all (even if they're new to the game) because Elbereth seems not "logical" or wierd.
 ::--[[User:Hhyloc|hhyloc]]
 The features in question are set in the source's configuration header before compiling; you can change whether they're present or not via editing <tt>include/config.h</tt>. Some variants allow you to set them via command-line options when compiling (Slash'EM, UnNetHack) or (for some of the options) in-game (NitroHack, NetHack 4). (Interestingly, SCORE_ON_BOTL is off by default; autopickup exceptions are also off by default but that's because the devteam weren't confident that that code worked properly.) [[User:Ais523|Ais523]] ([[User talk:Ais523|talk]]) 17:12, 20 August 2013 (UTC)