Forum:YANI: 5 new artifacts, comments wanted - Revision history

Feagradze at 17:49, 5 July 2010

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Feagradze at 17:48, 5 July 2010

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Feagradze at 17:11, 5 July 2010

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Tjr: throw out junk artifacts to make room

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throw out junk artifacts to make room

Jade nekotenshi at 15:04, 4 July 2010

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Ion frigate at 13:26, 4 July 2010

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Jade nekotenshi: Created page with '{{Forumheader|Watercooler}} I have an idea for five new artifacts (for which …'

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I have an idea for five new artifacts (for which I've actually coded a patch against [[SporkHack]]), but I'm looking for the community's input on their abilities. Here they are:

Luck Blade: Neutral [[short sword]]. It acts as a [[luckstone]] of equal [[beatitude]] when carried, gets +d3 to hit and +d4 to damage all monsters. Additionally, on each hit, if the roll of a d20 is less than your luck, it inflicts an additional 2d8 damage. If the enemy wields it against you, the test is reversed so that the extra damage gets more likely the ''less'' lucky you are.

Quicksilver: Unaligned [[silver short sword]], gets +d5 to hit and +d6 to damage all monsters and confers [[speed]] when wielded.

Spineseeker: Chaotic [[rogue]] stiletto, gets +d5 to hit and +d6 to damage all monsters, and deals double damage against fleeing foes. Would be the first sac gift for rogues. A rogue's backstab damage isn't doubled.

Blasphemy: Chaotic trident, double damage and +d5 to hit cross-aligned monsters, may (50% chance) stun monsters.

Ravenbrand: neutral [[scimitar]], +d5 to hit, +d6 to damage all foes. On hit, there's a 50% chance to blind and a separate 50% chance to slow enemies. Blinded enemies might (20% chance) turn to flee, while slowed enemies might (50% chance) be "lacerated by barbed chains of shadow" and take d10 damage. The damage may still occur even if the enemy was already slowed.

Too strong, too weak, pointless, too niche?

[[User:Jade nekotenshi|Jade nekotenshi]] 15:46, July 3, 2010 (UTC)

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	:* I know it's supposed to be magic, but a freakin' sword making you able to run faster doesn't make any sense to me. Speaking not of game balance, just logic, I'd say perhaps something like the ability to backstab ("The quick blade strikes from behind!"), or to parry. Parry basically removing the monsters next attack (like daze). That'd be pretty hard to code, though, I figure. ("The quick blade parries the hill orc's blow!"). Or striking twice, as you said, for a quirky double damage. ("You hit the hill orc. The quick blade strikes twice!"). [[User:Feagradze\|Feagradze]] 17:11, July 5, 2010 (UTC)		:* I know it's supposed to be magic, but a freakin' sword making you able to run faster doesn't make any sense to me. Speaking not of game balance, just logic, I'd say perhaps something like the ability to backstab ("The quick blade strikes from behind!"), or to parry. Parry basically removing the monsters next attack (like daze). That'd be pretty hard to code, though, I figure. ("The quick blade parries the hill orc's blow!"). Or striking twice, as you said, for a quirky double damage. ("You hit the hill orc. The quick blade strikes twice!"). [[User:Feagradze\|Feagradze]] 17:11, July 5, 2010 (UTC)
−	:** Ooo! Could give it an #invoke effect. Was thinking d500 turns of conflict, or having the effect of a wand of lightning (but perhaps with the damage of a magic horn). "Black clouds swirl around the trident. In which direction?" or "You hear the rumble of thunder. In which direction?" "Lightning arcs from the trident!". Or maybe more correctly to the legend, an effect like a drum of earthquakes. Though that would be ''pretty useless.''
	:* Blasphemy could use a name. It's way to close to a word. Makes referring to it confusing. I was thinking you could name it after Poseidon, which would be great for scripting it's backstory (like the NetHack artifacts that all had a book quote of some kind). I couldn't find the name of his trident, but the myth was that he used it to create whirlpools and various other sea maladies when mad. This could be the explanation for the double damage, too. "You thrust the trident. A gyser slams into the hill orc!" [[User:Feagradze\|Feagradze]] 17:29, July 5, 2010 (UTC)		:* Blasphemy could use a name. It's way to close to a word. Makes referring to it confusing. I was thinking you could name it after Poseidon, which would be great for scripting it's backstory (like the NetHack artifacts that all had a book quote of some kind). I couldn't find the name of his trident, but the myth was that he used it to create whirlpools and various other sea maladies when mad. This could be the explanation for the double damage, too. "You thrust the trident. A gyser slams into the hill orc!" [[User:Feagradze\|Feagradze]] 17:29, July 5, 2010 (UTC)
		+	:** Ooo! Could give it an #invoke effect. Was thinking d500 turns of conflict, or having the effect of a wand of lightning (but perhaps with the damage of a magic horn). "Black clouds swirl around the trident. In which direction?" or "You hear the rumble of thunder. In which direction?" "Lightning arcs from the trident!". Or maybe more correctly to the legend, an effect like a drum of earthquakes. Though that would be ''pretty useless.'' [[User:Feagradze\|Feagradze]] 17:49, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

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	:* I know it's supposed to be magic, but a freakin' sword making you able to run faster doesn't make any sense to me. Speaking not of game balance, just logic, I'd say perhaps something like the ability to backstab ("The quick blade strikes from behind!"), or to parry. Parry basically removing the monsters next attack (like daze). That'd be pretty hard to code, though, I figure. ("The quick blade parries the hill orc's blow!"). Or striking twice, as you said, for a quirky double damage. ("You hit the hill orc. The quick blade strikes twice!"). [[User:Feagradze\|Feagradze]] 17:11, July 5, 2010 (UTC)		:* I know it's supposed to be magic, but a freakin' sword making you able to run faster doesn't make any sense to me. Speaking not of game balance, just logic, I'd say perhaps something like the ability to backstab ("The quick blade strikes from behind!"), or to parry. Parry basically removing the monsters next attack (like daze). That'd be pretty hard to code, though, I figure. ("The quick blade parries the hill orc's blow!"). Or striking twice, as you said, for a quirky double damage. ("You hit the hill orc. The quick blade strikes twice!"). [[User:Feagradze\|Feagradze]] 17:11, July 5, 2010 (UTC)
		+	:** Ooo! Could give it an #invoke effect. Was thinking d500 turns of conflict, or having the effect of a wand of lightning (but perhaps with the damage of a magic horn). "Black clouds swirl around the trident. In which direction?" or "You hear the rumble of thunder. In which direction?" "Lightning arcs from the trident!". Or maybe more correctly to the legend, an effect like a drum of earthquakes. Though that would be ''pretty useless.''
	:* Blasphemy could use a name. It's way to close to a word. Makes referring to it confusing. I was thinking you could name it after Poseidon, which would be great for scripting it's backstory (like the NetHack artifacts that all had a book quote of some kind). I couldn't find the name of his trident, but the myth was that he used it to create whirlpools and various other sea maladies when mad. This could be the explanation for the double damage, too. "You thrust the trident. A gyser slams into the hill orc!" [[User:Feagradze\|Feagradze]] 17:29, July 5, 2010 (UTC)		:* Blasphemy could use a name. It's way to close to a word. Makes referring to it confusing. I was thinking you could name it after Poseidon, which would be great for scripting it's backstory (like the NetHack artifacts that all had a book quote of some kind). I couldn't find the name of his trident, but the myth was that he used it to create whirlpools and various other sea maladies when mad. This could be the explanation for the double damage, too. "You thrust the trident. A gyser slams into the hill orc!" [[User:Feagradze\|Feagradze]] 17:29, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

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	: Reading all this for vanilla, thow out at least as many junk artifacts to make room. Also, you might want to make your artifacts stronger. Finally, I like the idea of non-weapon artifacts as in SLASH'EM. [[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 19:16, July 4, 2010 (UTC)		: Reading all this for vanilla, thow out at least as many junk artifacts to make room. Also, you might want to make your artifacts stronger. Finally, I like the idea of non-weapon artifacts as in SLASH'EM. [[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 19:16, July 4, 2010 (UTC)

−	: I know it's supposed to be magic, but a freakin' sword making you able to run faster doesn't make any sense to me. Speaking not of game balance, just logic, I'd say perhaps something like the ability to backstab ("The quick blade strikes from behind!"), or to parry. Parry basically removing the monsters next attack (like daze). That'd be pretty hard to code, though, I figure. ("The quick blade parries the hill orc's blow!"). Or striking twice, as you said, for a quirky double damage. ("You hit the hill orc. The quick blade strikes twice!"). [[User:Feagradze\|Feagradze]] 17:11, July 5, 2010 (UTC)	+	:* I know it's supposed to be magic, but a freakin' sword making you able to run faster doesn't make any sense to me. Speaking not of game balance, just logic, I'd say perhaps something like the ability to backstab ("The quick blade strikes from behind!"), or to parry. Parry basically removing the monsters next attack (like daze). That'd be pretty hard to code, though, I figure. ("The quick blade parries the hill orc's blow!"). Or striking twice, as you said, for a quirky double damage. ("You hit the hill orc. The quick blade strikes twice!"). [[User:Feagradze\|Feagradze]] 17:11, July 5, 2010 (UTC)
		+	:* Blasphemy could use a name. It's way to close to a word. Makes referring to it confusing. I was thinking you could name it after Poseidon, which would be great for scripting it's backstory (like the NetHack artifacts that all had a book quote of some kind). I couldn't find the name of his trident, but the myth was that he used it to create whirlpools and various other sea maladies when mad. This could be the explanation for the double damage, too. "You thrust the trident. A gyser slams into the hill orc!" [[User:Feagradze\|Feagradze]] 17:29, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

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	: Reading all this for vanilla, thow out at least as many junk artifacts to make room. Also, you might want to make your artifacts stronger. Finally, I like the idea of non-weapon artifacts as in SLASH'EM. [[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 19:16, July 4, 2010 (UTC)		: Reading all this for vanilla, thow out at least as many junk artifacts to make room. Also, you might want to make your artifacts stronger. Finally, I like the idea of non-weapon artifacts as in SLASH'EM. [[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 19:16, July 4, 2010 (UTC)
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		+	: I know it's supposed to be magic, but a freakin' sword making you able to run faster doesn't make any sense to me. Speaking not of game balance, just logic, I'd say perhaps something like the ability to backstab ("The quick blade strikes from behind!"), or to parry. Parry basically removing the monsters next attack (like daze). That'd be pretty hard to code, though, I figure. ("The quick blade parries the hill orc's blow!"). Or striking twice, as you said, for a quirky double damage. ("You hit the hill orc. The quick blade strikes twice!"). [[User:Feagradze\|Feagradze]] 17:11, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

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 Blasphemy: Maybe just dike it out...
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 :My thoughts:
-:*Quicksilver: I like it; in fact, SLASH'EM has a similar-themed artifact, Quick Blade, which I always thought should grant speed.  Personally, I'd like to see an artifact short sword that provides more than speed (i.e. gives you a base speed of 24 or so, or better, always attacks twice), since speed is quite supersedable.  Of course, one could argue having the speed boots slot free would let you use jumping boots, but that's a kinda iffy benefit.
+:*Quicksilver: I like it; in fact, SLASH'EM has a similar-themed artifact, Quick Blade, which I always thought should grant speed. Personally, I'd like to see an artifact short sword that provides more than speed (i.e. gives you a base speed of 24 or so, or better, always attacks twice), since speed is quite supersedable. Of course, one could argue having the speed boots slot free would let you use jumping boots, but that's a kinda iffy benefit.
-:*Spineseeker:Too weak for the late game, but makes a good first sacrifice gift.  Perhaps it could have a bonus for being thrown?
+:*Spineseeker:Too weak for the late game, but makes a good first sacrifice gift. Perhaps it could have a bonus for being thrown?
-:*Blasphemy:A little weak, I'd think.  Also, cross-aligned damage isn't very useful for chaotics, as the vast majority of chaotic monsters are always hostile.  Thus, anyone would need a second weapon for things like liches.  Also, stunning monsters doesn't do very much (much less than to the player).
+:*Blasphemy:A little weak, I'd think. Also, cross-aligned damage isn't very useful for chaotics, as the vast majority of chaotic monsters are always hostile. Thus, anyone would need a second weapon for things like liches. Also, stunning monsters doesn't do very much (much less than to the player).
-:*Ravenbrand:Would give scimitars a point for being in the game, which is a definite plus.  The slowing effect would become much less useful in the late game, as it has to get past monster MR; I don't know if the extra d10 damage would still apply then.  I'd probably increase the base damage bonus though, maybe to d8 or d10.  Make it at least as good as Excalibur, which is about the weakest artifact I'll consider using into the late game. -[[User:Ion frigate|Ion frigate]] 13:26, July 4, 2010 (UTC)
+:*Ravenbrand:Would give scimitars a point for being in the game, which is a definite plus. The slowing effect would become much less useful in the late game, as it has to get past monster MR; I don't know if the extra d10 damage would still apply then. I'd probably increase the base damage bonus though, maybe to d8 or d10. Make it at least as good as Excalibur, which is about the weakest artifact I'll consider using into the late game. -[[User:Ion frigate|Ion frigate]] 13:26, July 4, 2010 (UTC)

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		+	:My thoughts:
		+	:*Quicksilver: I like it; in fact, SLASH'EM has a similar-themed artifact, Quick Blade, which I always thought should grant speed. Personally, I'd like to see an artifact short sword that provides more than speed (i.e. gives you a base speed of 24 or so, or better, always attacks twice), since speed is quite supersedable. Of course, one could argue having the speed boots slot free would let you use jumping boots, but that's a kinda iffy benefit.
		+	:*Spineseeker:Too weak for the late game, but makes a good first sacrifice gift. Perhaps it could have a bonus for being thrown?
		+	:*Blasphemy:A little weak, I'd think. Also, cross-aligned damage isn't very useful for chaotics, as the vast majority of chaotic monsters are always hostile. Thus, anyone would need a second weapon for things like liches. Also, stunning monsters doesn't do very much (much less than to the player).
		+	:*Ravenbrand:Would give scimitars a point for being in the game, which is a definite plus. The slowing effect would become much less useful in the late game, as it has to get past monster MR; I don't know if the extra d10 damage would still apply then. I'd probably increase the base damage bonus though, maybe to d8 or d10. Make it at least as good as Excalibur, which is about the weakest artifact I'll consider using into the late game. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 13:26, July 4, 2010 (UTC)