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Umbire the Phantom: lede bolding

2023-12-02T02:43:20Z

lede bolding

Phol ende wodan: more freenode->libera

2021-09-30T11:51:54Z

more freenode->libera

Testbutt: make this page somewhat less strongly worded, update it somewhat for the nerfs to pudding farming in recent nethack versions. the conversational tone could be further nixed by replacing "you/your" with "one/one's", if that's not too annoying.

2020-07-30T04:56:04Z

make this page somewhat less strongly worded, update it somewhat for the nerfs to pudding farming in recent nethack versions. the conversational tone could be further nixed by replacing "you/your" with "one/one's", if that's not too annoying.

Aximili: /* External links */ Internet Archive link for Sophia Gubb's article

2020-07-05T01:26:27Z

‎External links: Internet Archive link for Sophia Gubb's article

Luigifan18: /* Other observations */ Grammar check

2018-07-09T02:47:51Z

‎Other observations: Grammar check

Luigifan18: /* Playing for fun versus playing to win */ Grammar check

2018-07-09T02:47:07Z

‎Playing for fun versus playing to win: Grammar check

Netzhack: Chance of = probability; chance to = opportunity

2017-08-27T12:34:52Z

Chance of = probability; chance to = opportunity

Quantum Immortal: /* External links */ What nethack monster are you?

2015-06-14T07:09:24Z

‎External links: What nethack monster are you?

Bcode: fix paragraph breaks; s/See also/External links/

2013-04-23T22:02:31Z

fix paragraph breaks; s/See also/External links/

Grahn: /* See also */ describe the Gubb link like the page itself currently does

2013-04-23T21:14:05Z

‎See also: describe the Gubb link like the page itself currently does

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 {{todo|Style - NetHackWiki is not an encyclopaedia. Nevertheless, according to the [[NetHackWiki:Style guide|Style guide]], ''articles in the main namespace should be written in a largely encyclopaedic tone''. While this should undoubtedly be applied with latitude on a page entitled ''Fun'', an overly chatty style and particularly use of the first person should be avoided. This article should be rewritten to follow the style guide. (see also [[Talk:{{PAGENAME}}|discussion page]].)}}
-[[Fun]] is an intangible, but arguably very important element in NetHack. [[Death by boredom]] is a real risk if you're an obsessive player -- you get a little reckless, your judgement slips, and WHOOPS! [[DYWYPI]]?
+'''Fun''' is an intangible, but arguably very important element in NetHack. [[Death by boredom]] is a real risk if you're an obsessive player -- you get a little reckless, your judgement slips, and WHOOPS! [[DYWYPI]]?
 ==Playing for fun versus playing to win==

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 Playing the game on a shared computer and competing for high scores can be fun. Sharing [[bones]] files is too. Bones files can be shared online using a program such as [http://www.argon.org/~roderick/hearse/hearse.html hearse], which can be interesting and refreshing.
-The most social way to play NetHack is to log on to a [[public server]] and also join the [[https://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=%23nethack #nethack]] IRC channel on freenode.  As well as sharing bones files, players can watch each others' games and offer advice.
+The most social way to play NetHack is to log on to a [[public server]] and also join the #nethack IRC channel on [[Libera]].  As well as sharing bones files, players can watch each others' games and offer advice.
 Writing up an ascensions online is arguably fun, or at least provides a satisfying epilogue for a game that you played or watched.

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 ==Playing for fun versus playing to win==
-Various types of [[scumming]], and other game tactics which involve long repetition without actually breaking any rules, can increase your [[score]] or chance of winning the game while greatly increasing your boredom.  Perhaps the most notorious example of this is [[pudding farming]], the practice of killing unlimited numbers of black puddings for the items they may drop, while standing on a permanent [[Elbereth]].
+[[Start scumming]] and [[farming]], and various other game tactics which involve long repetition without actually breaking any rules, can increase your [[score]] or chance of winning the game while greatly increasing your boredom.  Perhaps the most notorious example of this is [[pudding farming]], the practice of killing unlimited numbers of black puddings, while standing on a permanent [[Elbereth]].
 Greed and impatience can be big obstacles to fun, resulting in many [[YASD]]s.  For example, [[stealing from shops|robbing a shop]] by jumping out with the entire shop contents is quicker than tediously waiting for your [[pet]] to shoplift everything you need, but carries a risk of being killed by the angry shopkeeper. Sometimes playing fair is more enjoyable. (On the other hand, sometimes the opposite is the case, especially if you have a really cool trick up your sleeve. Chaotic characters are often more fun to play for this reason.)
-Excessive reading of spoilers arguably decreases the sense of achievement of learning the game by yourself.
+Excessive reading of spoilers can arguably decrease the sense of achievement gained from learning the game by yourself. An alternate philosophy is that dying to something you don't understand is not fun; [[IRC]] and this [[wiki]] can help with those frustrations.
-Playing with roles like the barbarian that are practically unbeatable in the early game may be less fun than playing a rogue, archeologist, or a tourist, which require more strategy and care to play. Alternatively, you could have a policy of randomising your character role and race whenever you start a new game, attempting to get as far as you can with whatever the RNG throws at you. This can prevent you from getting in a rut, letting you get a taste of different styles of play, and may improve your NetHack skills as a result.  [[Adeon]]'s ascension record on [[nao]] suggests that every game is ascendable.
+Playing with roles that suit your tastes for difficulty and complexity is a way to increase your fun. Alternatively, you could have a policy of randomizing your character role and race whenever you start a new game, attempting to get as far as you can with whatever the RNG throws at you. This can prevent you from getting in a rut, letting you get a taste of different styles of play, and may improve your NetHack skills as a result.  [[User:Adeon|Adeon]]'s ascension record on [[nao]] suggests that every game is ascendable.
 == The fun of social NetHack ==
-Playing the game on a shared computer and competing for high scores is often fun. Sharing bones files in this manner is too. Bones files can be shared online using a program such as hearse [http://www.argon.org/~roderick/hearse/hearse.html http://www.argon.org/~roderick/hearse/hearse.html], which can be interesting and refreshing.
+Playing the game on a shared computer and competing for high scores can be fun. Sharing [[bones]] files is too. Bones files can be shared online using a program such as [http://www.argon.org/~roderick/hearse/hearse.html hearse], which can be interesting and refreshing.
-The most social way to play NetHack is to telnet to [[nethack.alt.org]] and also join the #nethack IRC channel on freenode.  As well as sharing bones files, players can watch each others' games and offer advice.
+The most social way to play NetHack is to log on to a [[public server]] and also join the [[https://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=%23nethack #nethack]] IRC channel on freenode.  As well as sharing bones files, players can watch each others' games and offer advice.
-Writing up your ascensions on online groups is arguably fun, or at least strokes your ego.
+Writing up an ascensions online is arguably fun, or at least provides a satisfying epilogue for a game that you played or watched.
-[[YASD]]s are not fun at all for the player, but may be fun for the audience if the game was played online.  Spectacular YASDs on NAO can be viewed by telnetting to termcast.org and selecting the SplatTV channel.
+[[YASD]]s are not typically fun for the player, but may be fun for the audience if the game was played online.  Spectacular YASDs on NAO can be viewed by telnetting to termcast.org and selecting the SplatTV channel.
-[http://nethack.alt.org NAO] automatically uploads players' scores, bones, etc. Players may also watch others' games and send&nbsp;[[scroll of mail|scrolls of mail]] to provide tips, comments, and so on.
+All public servers, including [http://nethack.alt.org NAO], automatically upload players' scores, bones, etc. Players may also watch others' games and send [[scroll of mail|scrolls of mail]] to provide opinions, suggestions, and so on.
 == Other observations ==
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 Having to limit what you carry around is pretty annoying, which makes a bag of holding a very game-enhancing item (even if it won't reflect a death ray).
-In Zen Buddhist practice it is taught that you should do things for their own sake and live in the moment, rather than for any outcome. In this way it is better to place the emphasis on playing NetHack one level at a time, without limiting your satisfaction to that elusive ascension. A game of NetHack can be an excellent spiritual practice for you. (If you reach enlightenment while playing NetHack, go eat a sandwich. That will take a while.)
+Some philosophies say that one should do activities for the sake of the activity and live in the moment, rather than for any particular outcome. In this way it is better to place the emphasis on playing NetHack one level at a time, without limiting your satisfaction to that elusive ascension. A game of NetHack could be an excellent meditative practice for you. (If you reach enlightenment while playing NetHack, go eat a sandwich. That will take a while.)
 ==External links==

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 ==External links==
-* [http://www.sophiagubb.com/nethack-9-life-lessons/ Nethack: 9 Life Lessons], Sophia Gubb, 2010
+* [https://web.archive.org/web/20170612044522/http://www.sophiagubb.com/nethack-9-life-lessons/ Nethack: 9 Life Lessons], Sophia Gubb, 2010
 * Dwarf Fortress Wiki's [http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/Fun slightly different take on "Fun"]
 *[http://kevan.org/nethack What NetHack monster are you?]

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 Having to limit what you carry around is pretty annoying, which makes a bag of holding a very game-enhancing item (even if it won't reflect a death ray).
-In Zen Buddhist practice it is taught that you should do things for their own sake and live in the moment, rather than for any outcome. In this way it is better to place the emphasis on playing NetHack one level at a time, without limiting your satisfaction to that elusive ascension. A game of NetHack can be an excellent spiritual practice for you. (If you reach enlightenment while playing NetHack, go eat a sandwich. That will take a while).
+In Zen Buddhist practice it is taught that you should do things for their own sake and live in the moment, rather than for any outcome. In this way it is better to place the emphasis on playing NetHack one level at a time, without limiting your satisfaction to that elusive ascension. A game of NetHack can be an excellent spiritual practice for you. (If you reach enlightenment while playing NetHack, go eat a sandwich. That will take a while.)
 ==External links==

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 * [http://www.sophiagubb.com/nethack-9-life-lessons/ Nethack: 9 Life Lessons], Sophia Gubb, 2010
 * Dwarf Fortress Wiki's [http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/Fun slightly different take on "Fun"]
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