Item size (dNetHack) - Revision history

Umbire the Phantom: /* Weapon size */ tweaks

2025-09-06T01:28:23Z

‎Weapon size: tweaks

Umbire the Phantom: /* Weapon size */ copyedit

2025-09-01T00:59:52Z

‎Weapon size: copyedit

Umbire the Phantom: /* Renamed items */ how did I...

2025-09-01T00:55:21Z

‎Renamed items: how did I...

Umbire the Phantom: /* Armor size */ details

2025-07-14T09:17:12Z

‎Armor size: details

ScienceBall: /* Messages */ Typos

2025-07-13T05:01:42Z

‎Messages: Typos

Umbire the Phantom: more tidying

2025-07-13T04:13:29Z

more tidying

Umbire the Phantom: lede

2025-06-26T07:21:24Z

lede

Umbire the Phantom: message spacing, word choice - no need to make the text small

2025-06-26T07:20:43Z

message spacing, word choice - no need to make the text small

ScienceBall: /* Messages */ Fix typo. Removed duplicate messages and split glove messages into their own block.

2025-06-07T03:03:06Z

‎Messages: Fix typo. Removed duplicate messages and split glove messages into their own block.

Klepto: fleshed out some details. added caveats + some exceptions + weight section + dnh specific messages (needs to be workshopped).

2025-06-05T06:34:32Z

fleshed out some details. added caveats + some exceptions + weight section + dnh specific messages (needs to be workshopped).

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-As an example, a large [[two-handed sword]] will deals 1d13 versus small monsters and 3d7 versus large monsters.
+As an example, a large [[two-handed sword]] will deals 1d13 versus small monsters and 3d7 versus large monsters, compared to 1d12 and 3d6 for a standard-sized medium one.
-Heroes that are either [[Caveman/dNetHack|Cavepeople]] or have the [[Spirits (dNethack)|spirit]] [[Ymir]] bound can wield weapons as though they were one size larger, meaning that a medium-sized character can wield weapons that are two-handed for them (e.g. a two-handed sword) in one hand. This also affects their ability to use larger weapons in [[two weapon combat]].
+Heroes that are either [[Caveman/dNetHack|Cavepeople]] or have the [[Spirits (dNethack)|spirit]] [[Ymir]] bound can wield weapons as though they are one size larger, meaning that they can wield weapons that would be two-handed for other medium-sized characters (e.g. a two-handed sword) in one hand. This also affects their ability to use larger weapons in [[two weapon combat]].
 ==Armor size==

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 ==Weapon size==
-The size of a weapon relative to a hero or monster's own size determines their ability to wield it in the first place, as well as whether the weapon will be [[one-handed]] or [[two-handed]]. The damage of any given weapon scales on its size with medium weapons being considered baseline.
+The size of a weapon relative to a hero or monster's own size determines their ability to wield it in the first place, as well as whether the weapon will be [[one-handed]] or [[two-handed]]. The damage of any given weapon scales along with its size, with medium weapons being considered the baseline, and the size of that weapon's damage dice is increased or decreased accordingly as described by the table below:
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-The way this applies to damage is by incrementing the die faces of all dice rolled by the bonus. A large [[two-handed sword]] deals 1d13 vs. small and 3d7 vs. large, for example. Heroes that are either [[Caveman/dNetHack|Cavepeople]] or have the [[Spirits (dNethack)|spirit]] [[Ymir]] bound can wield weapons as though they were one size larger, meaning that a medium-sized character can wield weapons that are two-handed for them (e.g. a two-handed sword) in one hand. This also affects their ability to use larger weapons in [[two weapon combat]].
+As an example, a large [[two-handed sword]] will deals 1d13 versus small monsters and 3d7 versus large monsters.
 ==Armor size==

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 * [[small shield]] -> buckler
 * [[large shield]] -> kite shield
 ==Weapon size==

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 ==Armor size==
-As a general rule, both the hero and monsters can only wear armor that is the appropriate size and [[Body shape (dNetHack)|body shape]] for them. Going per slot, the following rules apply to armor size:
+As a general rule, both the hero and monsters can only wear armor that is the appropriate size and [[Body shape (dNetHack)|body shape]] for them&mdash;e.g., any [[orcish chain mail]] worn by a slain hostile [[mumak]] will never fit an [[Orc (starting race)|orcish]] hero, no matter what the armor's size is.
 * [[Helmet]]s must be of the same size as the wearer.
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 * [[Belt (dNetHack)|Belts]] must be of the same size as the wearer.
 * No armor of a different shape than the wearer's body may be worn.
 ==Weight==

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 ==Messages==
-{{message|You don't have a head.|You You tried to wear a helmet while in a headless form.}}
+{{message|You don't have a head.|You tried to wear a helmet while in a headless form.}}
-{{message|You can't wear a helm or hat.|You You tried to wear a helmet or hat while in a form that cannot wear either.}}
+{{message|You can't wear a helm or hat.|You tried to wear a helmet or hat while in a form that cannot wear either.}}
 {{message|The <helmet> is the wrong shape for your head.|You tried to wear a helmet of a shape that doesn't match your body.}}
 {{message|The <helmet> won't fit over your horns.|You tried to wear a headpiece that doesn't allow horns.}}

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 {{tocright}}
-In [[dNetHack]], [[notdNetHack]] and [[notnotdNetHack]], '''item size''' works much differently compared to ''[[NetHack]]''. Rather than [[item]]s of a specific type always occurring as a singular defined size, each item can now occur in multiple possible sizes that affect their weight and often their functions as well&mdash;the [[physical size]] of a [[hero]] or [[monster]] can affect their ability to utilize items of particular sizes in turn, especially when it comes to [[wielding]] [[weapon]]s and other items, [[wearing]] [[armor]], and [[putting on]] [[jewelry]] or other accessories.
+In [[dNetHack]], [[notdNetHack]] and [[notnotdNetHack]], '''item size''' works much differently compared to ''[[NetHack]]''. Rather than [[item]]s of a specific type always occurring as a singular defined size, each item can now occur in multiple possible sizes that affect their weight and often their functions as well&mdash;an item's size will generally be appended to their name, e.g. a small [[orcish helm]] or a huge [[long sword]]. The [[physical size]] of a [[hero]] or [[monster]] can affect their ability to utilize items of particular sizes in turn, especially when it comes to [[wielding]] [[weapon]]s and other items, [[wearing]] [[armor]], and [[putting on]] [[jewelry]] or other accessories.
 ==Weapon size==
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-The way this applies to damage is by incrementing the die faces of all dice rolled by the bonus. A large [[two-handed sword]] deals 1d13 vs. small and 3d7 vs. large, for example.
+The way this applies to damage is by incrementing the die faces of all dice rolled by the bonus. A large [[two-handed sword]] deals 1d13 vs. small and 3d7 vs. large, for example. Heroes that are either [[Caveman/dNetHack|Cavepeople]] or have the [[Spirits (dNethack)|spirit]] [[Ymir]] bound can wield weapons as though they were one size larger, meaning that a medium-sized character can wield weapons that are two-handed for them (e.g. a two-handed sword) in one hand. This also affects their ability to use larger weapons in [[two weapon combat]].
 ==Armor size==
-As a general rule, both the hero and monsters can only wear armor that is the appropriate size and [[body shape (dNetHack)|body shape]] for them.
+As a general rule, both the hero and monsters can only wear armor that is the appropriate size and [[Body shape (dNetHack)|body shape]] for them. Going per slot, the following rules apply to armor size:
 Going per slot, the following rules apply to armor size:
-* [[Helmet]]s must be of the same size as you.
+* [[Helmet]]s must be of the same size as the wearer.
-* [[Cloaks]] can be up to one size larger or smaller than you.
+* [[Cloaks]] can be up to one size larger or smaller than the wearer.
-* [[Armor]] must be of the same size as you.
+* [[Armor]] must be of the same size as the wearer.
-* [[Shirts]] must be of the same size as you.
+* [[Shirts]] must be of the same size as the wearer.
 * [[Shields]] can be of any size.
-* [[Gloves]] must be of the same size as you.
+* [[Gloves]] must be of the same size as the wearer.
-* [[Boots]] must be of the same size as you.
+* [[Boots]] must be of the same size as the wearer.
-* [[Belt (dNetHack)|Belt]]s must be of the same size as you.
+* [[Belt (dNetHack)|Belts]] must be of the same size as the wearer.
-No armor of a different shape than your body's may be worn.
+* No armor of a different shape than the wearer's body may be worn.
 ==Weight==
-An item's weight impacts the weight multiplier that is applied to it. Medium items are considered to be baseline weight.  For armor and weapons, items have their weight multiplied as follows:
+An item's weight impacts the weight multiplier that is applied to it. Medium items are considered to be baseline weight. For armor and weapons, items have their weight multiplied as follows:
 {|class="wikitable"
 ! Armor/weapon size
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-Non-armor such as [[tools]] follow a different formula:
+Non-armor items such as [[tools]] follow a different formula:
 {|class="wikitable"
 ! Armor/weapon size
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 {{message|You have too many legs to wear <boots>.|You tried to wear boots in a form that has more than two legs.}}
 {{message|The <boots> are the wrong size for you.|You tried to wear boots that were smaller or larger than your feet.}}
 {{variant-343}}
 [[Category:dNetHack items]]
 [[Category:notdNetHack items]]
 [[Category:notnotdNetHack items]]

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 ==Messages==
-<small>
+{{message|You don't have a head.|You You tried to wear a helmet while in a headless form.}}
-{{message|You don't have a head.|Tried to wear a helmet while headless.}}
+{{message|You can't wear a helm or hat.|You You tried to wear a helmet or hat while in a form that cannot wear either.}}
-{{message|You can't wear a helm or hat.|Tried to wear a helmet or hat while in a form that can't wear either.}}
+{{message|The <helmet> is the wrong shape for your head.|You tried to wear a helmet of a shape that doesn't match your body.}}
-{{message|The <helmet> is the wrong shape for your head.|Tried to wear a helmet of a shape that doesn't match your body.}}
+{{message|The <helmet> won't fit over your horns.|You tried to wear a headpiece that doesn't allow horns.}}
-{{message|The <helmet> won't fit over your horns.|Tried to wear a headpiece that doesn't allow horns.}}
+{{message|The <helmet> is the wrong size for you.|You tried to wear a helmet that was smaller or larger than your head.}}
-{{message|The <shirt> is the wrong size for you.|Tried to wear a shirt that was smaller or larger than your body.}}
+{{message|Already wearing a belt.|You tried to wear armor while already wearing a cursed belt.}}
-{{message|The <shirt> is the wrong shape for your body.|Tried to wear a shirt of a shape that doesn't match your body.}}
+{{message|The <armor> is the wrong size for you.|You tried to wear armor that was smaller or larger than you.}}
-{{message|Already wearing a belt.|Tried to wear armor while already wearing a cursed belt.}}
+{{message|The <cloak> is the wrong size for you.|You tried to wear a cloak that was more than one size larger or smaller than you.}}
-{{message|You don't have proper hands.|Tried to wear gloves while in a form that has no hands.}}
+{{message|You have too many legs to wear <boots>.|You tried to wear boots in a form that has more than two legs.}}
-{{message|<Arm blaster> fits too tightly to allow such bulky, rigid gloves.|Tried to wear gloves while wielding a arm blaster.}}
+{{message|The <boots> are the wrong size for you.|You tried to wear boots that were smaller or larger than your feet.}}
 {{stub}}
 {{variant-343}}

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 {{message|You don't have a head.|Tried to wear a helmet while headless.}}
 {{message|You can't wear a helm or hat.|Tried to wear a helmet or hat while in a form that can't wear either.}}
-{{message|The <helmet> is the wrong shape for your head."|Tried to wear a helmet of a shape that doesn't match your body.}}
+{{message|The <helmet> is the wrong shape for your head.|Tried to wear a helmet of a shape that doesn't match your body.}}
 {{message|The <helmet> won't fit over your horns.|Tried to wear a headpiece that doesn't allow horns.}}
 {{message|The <helmet> is the wrong size for you.|Tried to wear a helmet that was smaller or larger than your head.}}
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 {{message|The <armor> is the wrong size for you.|Tried to wear armor that was smaller or larger than you.}}
 {{message|The <armor> is the wrong shape for your body.|Tried to wear armor of a shape that doesn't match your body.}}
 {{message|You don't have proper hands.|Tried to wear gloves while in a form that has no hands.}}
-{{message|You don't have proper hands.|Tried to wear gloves while in a form that has no hands.}}
+{{message|<Arm blaster> fits too tightly to allow such bulky, rigid gloves.|Tried to wear gloves while wielding a arm blaster.}}
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 {{message|You cannot wear a ring on your right hand with this artifact.|Tried to wear a ring on your right finger while wearing the claws of the revenancer.}}