Lightsaber Forms (dNetHack) - Revision history

Chris: /* Form II: Makashi */ Gives expert traits now

2026-01-15T15:32:24Z

‎Form II: Makashi: Gives expert traits now

EasterlyIrk: clarify/fix typo in juyo

2025-12-19T20:27:36Z

clarify/fix typo in juyo

Umbire the Phantom: chance to:opportunity::chance of:probability

2024-02-19T13:44:51Z

chance to:opportunity::chance of:probability

Aximili: category

2023-09-04T21:13:21Z

EasterlyIrk: EasterlyIrk moved page User:Chris/dNethack/Lightsaber Forms to Lightsaber Forms (dNetHack): moving out of the userpage to better organize

2023-08-31T15:12:59Z

EasterlyIrk moved page User:Chris/dNethack/Lightsaber Forms to Lightsaber Forms (dNetHack): moving out of the userpage to better organize

EasterlyIrk: add a little intro line to move the page

2023-08-31T15:12:18Z

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EasterlyIrk: update and correct lightsaber form information

2023-08-31T03:42:25Z

update and correct lightsaber form information

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EasterlyIrk: modern juyo stats

2023-08-31T00:16:46Z

modern juyo stats

EasterlyIrk: alignment changes are long gone

2023-07-23T07:57:06Z

alignment changes are long gone

Disruptor: /* Form V: Djem So */ Expert bullet point order was reversed; corrected it

2023-06-21T02:40:29Z

‎Form V: Djem So: Expert bullet point order was reversed; corrected it

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 *Makashi is trained by using a single bladed lightsaber with a free offhand.
 *Using Makashi with a beamsword or double-bladed lightsaber incurs a -20 to-hit penalty. This does not care about your offhand.
 *Grants increased dexterity based bonus to hit and damage with skill level, but only when using a single-bladed saber. The to-hit does not care about your offhand, but the damage bonus does, otherwise no form-based bonus damage. The modifier used for these calculations is a dueling modifier equal to (((DEX + 3) / 3) - 4) with floor division. At 12 dexterity, this is +1, up to +5 at 25 dexterity.
 *Attacking a monster studies it, placing [[study]] stacks dependent on skill on the target. This is a personal study effect, so monster vs. monster combat is not affected by it.

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 | no to-hit penalty or bonus
 |-
-| 10% chance for a staggering blow (4% without recent attacks from target)
+| 10% chance for a staggering blow (4% when not sneak attacking)
-| 15% chance for a staggering blow (6% without recent attacks from target)
+| 15% chance for a staggering blow (6% when not sneak attacking)
-| 20% chance for a staggering blow (8% without recent attacks from target)
+| 20% chance for a staggering blow (8% when not sneak attacking)
 |-
-| 3 movement points refunded on hit<br />
+| 3 movement points refunded on sneak attack hit<br />
-| 4 movement points refunded on hit
+| 4 movement points refunded on sneak attack hit
-| 6 movement points refunded on hit
+| 6 movement points refunded on sneak attack hit
 |}
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-Lightsaber forms are a set of fighting styles, special skills only available with certain weapons, present in [[dNetHack]]. There are 8 forms in total, and each has different effects when used combined with a lit lightsaber.
+'''Lightsaber forms''' are a set of fighting styles that grant special skills only available with certain weapons in [[dNetHack]]. There are 8 forms in total, and each has different effects when used combined with a lit lightsaber.
-All classes aside from Anachrononauts are restricted in all lightsaber forms, and all Anachrononauts can get expert in every lightsaber form. Android anachrononauts are an exception, and are intentionally restricted in all forms as well. You can change forms with #style while wielding a lightsaber, though [[unskilled]] forms can't be activated. If no forms are available for any reason, Shii-Cho is used at whatever your current skill in it is. All forms are only active when wielding a lit lightsaber of any kind - unlit lightsabers get no effects.
+All roles aside from [[Anachrononaut]]s are restricted in all lightsaber forms, and all Anachrononauts can get expert in every lightsaber form. [[Android]] anachrononauts are an exception, and are intentionally restricted in all forms as well. You can change forms with #style while wielding a lightsaber, though [[unskilled]] forms can't be activated. If no forms are available for any reason, Shii-Cho is used at whatever your current skill in it is. All forms are only active when wielding a lit lightsaber of any kind - unlit lightsabers get no effects.
 You gain the bonuses of the lesser of your base weapon skill and the activated lightsaber form, so advancing a form to skilled has no effect if you are only basic in the weapon skill. However, since you cannot advance each form past your current weapon skill anyway, this rarely actually matters. Forms can only be trained while using the corresponding form, or while using the Shii-Cho (the 'default' form). The to-hit and damage bonuses for these forms stack additively with the actual lightsaber skill, whether it's saber, broadsword, quarterstaff, or two-handed sword.
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 *Grants improved reflection (including dragon breath).
 *While in use, if you have negative AC you roll twice for effective AC and use the lower result.
-*Grants a chance to counterattack after being hit in melee, with no limit on how many counterattacks can be made per round (unlike Shien). The to-hit bonuses granted depend if you're counterattacking or not.
+*Grants a chance of counterattack after being hit in melee, with no limit on how many counterattacks can be made per round (unlike Shien). The to-hit bonuses granted depend if you're counterattacking or not.
-*Grants a chance to burn incoming physical projectiles out of the air, completely destroying them and preventing all damage. This chance is per object with no limit per round.
+*Grants a chance of burning incoming physical projectiles out of the air, completely destroying them and preventing all damage. This chance is per object with no limit per round.
 *Instead of any damage bonuses, grants an AC bonus scaling with dexterity and intelligence. This is a dodge effect, so if you are flat-footed (cannot move or grabbed) you get no bonus.
 *This form also slows you down when used, subtracting a flat number of movement points from your speed per round (not per hit).
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 | (DEX + INT - 20) / 2 bonus to dodge AC
 |-
-| 10% chance to counterattack each incoming melee attack
+| 10% chance of counterattack for each incoming melee attack
-| 15% chance to counterattack each incoming melee attack
+| 15% chance of counterattack for each incoming melee attack
-| 25% chance to counterattack each incoming melee attack
+| 25% chance of counterattack for each incoming melee attack
 |-
-| 33% chance to burn incoming projectiles out of the air
+| 33% chance of burning incoming projectiles out of the air
-| 66% chance to burn incoming projectiles out of the air
+| 66% chance of burning incoming projectiles out of the air
-| 100% chance to burn incoming projectiles out of the air
+| 100% chance of burning incoming projectiles out of the air
 |-
 | Speed is reduced by 6 points
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 *Shien is an offensive form focused around dealing with crowds.
 *To train Shien, be attacked at range while wielding a lit lightsaber.
-*Grants improved reflection (including dragon breath), but also the ability to redirect reflected attacks in a direction of your choice. This does not change the person responsible for the zap, and behaves exactly like normally reflected beams with regard to friendly fire or kill credit. The reflection is guaranteed, but the chance to redirect attacks scales with skill.
+*Grants improved reflection (including dragon breath), but also the ability to redirect reflected attacks in a direction of your choice. This does not change the person responsible for the zap, and behaves exactly like normally reflected beams with regard to friendly fire or kill credit. The reflection is guaranteed, but the chance of redirecting attacks scales with skill.
-*Grants a chance to counterattack after being hit in melee, limited to 1 counterattack per attack round (unlike Soresu or Djem So). The to-hit bonuses granted depend if you're counterattacking or not.
+*Grants a chance of counterattacking after being hit in melee, limited to 1 counterattack per attack round (unlike Soresu or Djem So). The to-hit bonuses granted depend if you're counterattacking or not.
-*Grants a chance to burn incoming physical projectiles out of the air, completely destroying them and preventing all damage. This chance is per object with no limit per round.
+*Grants a chance of burning incoming physical projectiles out of the air, completely destroying them and preventing all damage. This chance is per object with no limit per round.
 *Grants bonus damage if multiple monsters are adjacent to you, in the form of a crowding modifier that scales with strength and number of adjacent monsters. This uses floor division and ignores percentile strength - 18/xx is 18, and 19 is 19.
 *Each level of training in Shien past basic also applies to Djem So, stacking with your normally-trained Djem So skill. This does not go past expert, and you will be unable to spend more skill slots on Djem So or Shien if you are already expert. At Expert Shien without any direct investment in Djem So, you will be Skilled in Djem So.
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 | 1d((STR+2)/3 + 3*adjacent count) bonus damage
 |-
-| 5% chance to counterattack after an attack round
+| 5% chance of counterattack after an attack round
-| 10% chance to counterattack after an attack round
+| 10% chance of counterattack after an attack round
-| 20% chance to counterattack each an attack round
+| 20% chance of counterattack each an attack round
 |-
-| 33% chance to redirect reflected attacks
+| 33% chance of redirecting reflected attacks
-| 66% chance to redirect reflected attacks
+| 66% chance of redirecting reflected attacks
-| 100% chance to redirect reflected attacks
+| 100% chance of redirecting reflected attacks
 |-
-| 33% chance to burn incoming projectiles out of the air
+| 33% chance of burning incoming projectiles out of the air
-| 66% chance to burn incoming projectiles out of the air
+| 66% chance of burning incoming projectiles out of the air
-| 100% chance to burn incoming projectiles out of the air
+| 100% chance of burning incoming projectiles out of the air
 |-
 | No bonus to Djem So skill
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 *Djem So is an offensive form focusing on brutal strength for both accuracy and damage.
 *To train Djem So, attack monsters that have recently attacked you, while wielding a lit lightsaber. Successful counterattacks will also train Djem So.
-*Grants a chance to counterattack after being hit in melee, with no limit on how many counterattacks can be made per round (unlike Shien). The to-hit bonuses granted, unlike both Shien and Soresu, do not depend on whether you're counterattacking or not.
+*Grants a chance of counterattack after being hit in melee, with no limit on how many counterattacks can be made per round (unlike Shien). The to-hit bonuses granted, unlike both Shien and Soresu, do not depend on whether you're counterattacking or not.
-*Grants a chance to perform a [[staggering blow]]. The chance scales with skill, but is reduced by 80% if the target did not attack you on its last turn - a counterattack is strictly necessary, but always fulfills this requirement.
+*Grants a chance of performing a [[staggering blow]]. The chance scales with skill, but is reduced by 80% if the target did not attack you on its last turn - a counterattack is strictly necessary, but always fulfills this requirement.
 *Grants a to-hit bonus in the form of a strength-based accuracy modifier with very minor scaling. Strength of 5 or below is -2, 7 or below is -1, 18 or below is +0. Between 18/01 and 18/50 inclusive is +1, between 18/51 and 18/99 is +2, and 19 or above is +3.
 *Grants bonus damage based on strength, similar to Shien but without the scaling. The brutal strength damage modifier is always ((STR+2)/3). This ignores percentile strength - 18/xx is 18, and 19 is 19.
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 | 3d(brutal strength modifier) bonus damage
 |-
-| 5% chance to counterattack each incoming melee attack
+| 5% chance of counterattack for each incoming melee attack
-| 10% chance to counterattack each incoming melee attack
+| 10% chance of counterattack for each incoming melee attack
-| 20% chance to counterattack each incoming melee attack
+| 20% chance of counterattack for each incoming melee attack
 |-
 | 10% chance for a staggering blow (2% without recent attacks from target)

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−	~~Every class~~ aside from Anachrononauts are restricted in all lightsaber forms, and all Anachrononauts can get expert in every lightsaber form. You can change forms with #style while wielding a lightsaber, though [[unskilled]] forms can't be activated. If no forms are available for any reason, Shii-Cho is used at whatever your current skill in it is. All forms are only active when wielding a lit lightsaber of any kind - unlit lightsabers get no effects.	+	Lightsaber forms are a set of fighting styles, special skills only available with certain weapons, present in [[dNetHack]]. There are 8 forms in total, and each has different effects when used combined with a lit lightsaber.
		+
		+	All classes aside from Anachrononauts are restricted in all lightsaber forms, and all Anachrononauts can get expert in every lightsaber form. Android anachrononauts are an exception, and are intentionally restricted in all forms as well. You can change forms with #style while wielding a lightsaber, though [[unskilled]] forms can't be activated. If no forms are available for any reason, Shii-Cho is used at whatever your current skill in it is. All forms are only active when wielding a lit lightsaber of any kind - unlit lightsabers get no effects.

	You gain the bonuses of the lesser of your base weapon skill and the activated lightsaber form, so advancing a form to skilled has no effect if you are only basic in the weapon skill. However, since you cannot advance each form past your current weapon skill anyway, this rarely actually matters. Forms can only be trained while using the corresponding form, or while using the Shii-Cho (the 'default' form). The to-hit and damage bonuses for these forms stack additively with the actual lightsaber skill, whether it's saber, broadsword, quarterstaff, or two-handed sword.		You gain the bonuses of the lesser of your base weapon skill and the activated lightsaber form, so advancing a form to skilled has no effect if you are only basic in the weapon skill. However, since you cannot advance each form past your current weapon skill anyway, this rarely actually matters. Forms can only be trained while using the corresponding form, or while using the Shii-Cho (the 'default' form). The to-hit and damage bonuses for these forms stack additively with the actual lightsaber skill, whether it's saber, broadsword, quarterstaff, or two-handed sword.

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 == Form VII: Juyo ==
 *To gain Juyo xp, attack disadvantaged targets
-*allows you to make sneak attack (+1dLevel) against disadvantaged targets
+*Allows you to make sneak attack (+1dLevel) against disadvantaged targets, and grants movement points back on successful sneak attacks
 *Basic:
-**+3 [[Speed|movement points]]
+**+3 [[Speed|movement points]] refunded on hit
-**against disadvantaged targets, 10% chance of staggering blow
+**4% chance for a staggering blow (10% when sneak attacking)
 *Skilled:
-**+4 [[Speed|movement points]]
+**+4 [[Speed|movement points]] refunded on hit
-**against disadvantaged targets, 15% chance of staggering blow
+**6% chance for a staggering blow (15% when sneak attacking)
 *Expert:
-**+6 [[Speed|movement points]]
+**+6 [[Speed|movement points]] refunded on hit
-**against disadvantaged targets, 20% chance of staggering blow
+**8% chance for a staggering blow (20% when sneak attacking)

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 [[Unskilled]] forms can't be activated. You can change forms with #style.
-You gain the bonuses of the lesser of your base weapon skill and the activated lightsaber form. (advancing a form to skilled has no effect if you are only basic in saber)
+All Anachrononauts can get expert in every lightsaber form. You gain the bonuses of the lesser of your base weapon skill and the activated lightsaber form, so advancing a form to skilled has no effect if you are only basic in saber. However, since you cannot advance each form past your current saber skill anyway, this rarely actually matters.
 Additionally, forms cannot be used if you are wearing restrictive armor:
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 | Form II:  Makashi  | Heavy             |
 | Form III: Soresu   | Heavy             |
-| Form IV:  Ataru    | Medium            |
+| Form IV:  Ataru    | Heavy             |
 | Form V:   Shien    | Medium            |
-| Form V:   Djem So  | Heavy             |
+| Form V:   Djem So  | Medium            |
 | Form VI:  Niman    | Metal             |
 | Form VII: Juyo     | Medium            |
 |--------------------+-------------------|
-Heavy armor gives you no DEX bonus to AC (eg. crystal plate mail, dragon scale mail).
+Heavy armor is armor that fully removes DEX bonus to AC (eg. plate mail, chain mail).
-Medium armor gives you halved DEX bonus to AC (eg. chain mail, bronze plate mail).
+Medium armor is armor that halves your DEX bonus to AC (eg.  dragon scale mail, ring mail).
 </pre>
 Forms have the following effects when active and wielding an ignited lightsaber:

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 *Expert:
 **20% chance of counterattack in melee
 **otherwise, 4% chance of staggering blow
 **bonus damage 3d((strength bonus + 2) / 3)
 **strength bonus + 5 bonus to-hit