Long saw - Revision history

Klepto: try out 'etraits' parameter.

2026-07-09T05:58:50Z

try out 'etraits' parameter.

Umbire the Phantom: follow-up

2026-07-07T00:36:07Z

follow-up

Klepto: swapped out external wiki link + added item description.

2026-07-07T00:34:27Z

swapped out external wiki link + added item description.

Umbire the Phantom: /* Strategy */ thanks!

2026-07-07T00:30:03Z

‎Strategy: thanks!

Klepto: /* Strategy */ revise strategy following the introduction of expert traits.

2026-07-06T23:39:23Z

‎Strategy: revise strategy following the introduction of expert traits.

Umbire the Phantom: /* Origin */ rewrite

2026-07-06T10:07:36Z

‎Origin: rewrite

Umbire the Phantom: /* Strategy */ details

2026-07-06T07:12:47Z

‎Strategy: details

Umbire the Phantom: /* Description */ word choice

2026-07-06T06:31:44Z

‎Description: word choice

Umbire the Phantom: /* Strategy */ word

2026-07-06T06:31:17Z

‎Strategy: word

Umbire the Phantom: /* Strategy */ bit more

2026-07-06T06:31:04Z

‎Strategy: bit more

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   |tohit=<nowiki>+1</nowiki>
   |skill=farm implements
   |special=<ul><li>[[apply]] to turn into saw spear</li></ul>
   |size=medium
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   |tohit=<nowiki>+0</nowiki>
   |skill=spear
   |special=<ul><li>[[apply]] to turn into long saw</li></ul>
   |size=medium

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 ==Origin==
-The long saw and saw spear are based on the [https://www.bloodborne-wiki.com/2015/03/saw-spear.html saw spear] 'trick weapon' from the 2015 video game ''[[Bloodborne]]'' where it can be found early on in the story. Its in game item description reads: "One of the trick weapons of the workshop, commonly used by those who dedicate themselves to the hunt. This saw, effective at drawing the blood of beasts, transforms into a medium-range spear. The saw, with its set of blood-letting teeth, has become a symbol of the hunt, and only grows in effectiveness the more grotesquely transformed the beast." <!-- likely hence the naming anomaly.-->
+The long saw and saw spear are based on the [https://www.bloodborne-wiki.com/2015/03/saw-spear.html saw spear] 'trick weapon' from the 2015 video game ''[[Bloodborne]]'', where it can be found early on in the story. Its in-game item description reads: "One of the trick weapons of the workshop, commonly used by those who dedicate themselves to the hunt. This saw, effective at drawing the blood of beasts, transforms into a medium-range spear. The saw, with its set of blood-letting teeth, has become a symbol of the hunt, and only grows in effectiveness the more grotesquely transformed the beast." <!-- likely hence the naming anomaly.-->
 ==Messages==
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 {{message|You close the saw spear.|You applied a saw spear and turned it into a long saw.}}
-==Encyclopedia==
+==Encyclopedia entry==
-{{encyclopedia|This saw, effective at drawing the blood of beasts,
+{{encyclopedia|
 transforms into a medium-range spear.
-	[ Bloodborne, by FromSoftware ]
+|[ Bloodborne, by FromSoftware ]
 }}
 {{dNetHack-326}}
 [[Category:dNetHack weapons]]
 [[Category:notdNetHack weapons]]
 [[Category:notnotdNetHack weapons]]

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 ==Origin==
-The long saw and saw spear are based on the [https://bloodborne.wiki.fextralife.com/Saw+Spear saw spear] 'trick weapon' from 2015 game ''[[Bloodborne]]''.
+The long saw and saw spear are based on the [https://www.bloodborne-wiki.com/2015/03/saw-spear.html saw spear] 'trick weapon' from the 2015 video game ''[[Bloodborne]]'' where it can be found early on in the story. Its in game item description reads: "One of the trick weapons of the workshop, commonly used by those who dedicate themselves to the hunt. This saw, effective at drawing the blood of beasts, transforms into a medium-range spear. The saw, with its set of blood-letting teeth, has become a symbol of the hunt, and only grows in effectiveness the more grotesquely transformed the beast." <!-- likely hence the naming anomaly.-->
 ==Messages==
 {{message|You open the long saw.|You applied a long saw and turned it into a saw spear.}}
 {{message|You close the saw spear.|You applied a saw spear and turned it into a long saw.}}
 {{dNetHack-326}}
 [[Category:dNetHack weapons]]
 [[Category:notdNetHack weapons]]
 [[Category:notnotdNetHack weapons]]

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 ==Strategy==
-Undead Hunters that have already spent skill points in spears by the time they reach their quest will benefit from using the saw spear and the consistent extra bleed and puncture damage it inflicts with its expert traits. The long saw, since it uses a very niche skill and only has the bleed expert trait, is much harder to accommodate for and suffers greatly from its low base damage. The weapon's serrated damage bonus in both forms is well suited to the quest with its many unarmored enemies, and will perform best with an elemental [[smithing|imbuement]].
+Undead Hunters that have already spent skill points in spears by the time they reach their [[Quest]] will benefit from using the long saw's saw spear form and the consistent extra bleed and puncture damage it inflicts with its expert traits. In contrast, the long saw itself uses a very niche skill and only has the bleed expert trait, making it much harder to accommodate for, and it also suffers greatly from its low base damage. The weapon's serrated damage bonus in both forms is well suited to the Undead Hunter quest with its many unarmored enemies, and will perform best with an elemental imbuement from [[Smithing (dNetHack)|smithing]].
-For other roles the weapon will be hard to come across and cannot be reliably obtained outside of wishing. As such, it is not particularly worth the effort seeking out, with many spear artifacts offering much better wish alternatives.
+For other roles, the weapon will be hard to come across and cannot be reliably obtained outside of wishing. As such, it is not particularly worth the effort seeking out, and there are many spear [[artifact]]s that are much better wish candidates.
 ==Origin==

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 ==Strategy==
-The main draws of the long saw and saw spear are primarily the serrated damage bonuses, which most characters will not benefit much from unless they have already trained the relevant weapon skill and happen across one early. Undead Hunters in particular have more to gain from the weapon type than most, but will not reap those benefits until they embark on or even complete their [[Quest]]&mdash;the chest on the quest's home level that can contain a long saw may also contain much better long-term options for the hero as well. The long saw in general is a relatively simple option among trick weapons that is also lacking in damage compared to many others, but the saw spear form is strong enough that it can be a sufficient primary or backup weapon for some melee-focused characters.
+Undead Hunters that have already spent skill points in spears by the time they reach their quest will benefit from using the saw spear and the consistent extra bleed and puncture damage it inflicts with its expert traits. The long saw, since it uses a very niche skill and only has the bleed expert trait, is much harder to accommodate for and suffers greatly from its low base damage. The weapon's serrated damage bonus in both forms is well suited to the quest with its many unarmored enemies, and will perform best with an elemental [[smithing|imbuement]].
 ==Origin==

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 The long saw is a [[serrated]] [[trick weapon]] that inflicts [[slashing]] damage, dealing 1d8 damage to small monsters and 1d6 to large monsters, and has a +1 [[to-hit]] bonus&mdash;as a serrated weapon, it also grants a {{frac|5}} bonus to various types of damage that it inflicts against monsters with a [[DR]] of 7 or less and are not wearing torso armor (i.e. a [[cloak]], [[suit]] or [[shirt]]). A hero wielding a long saw while they are at Skilled or better in farm implements gains the "bleed" [[expert trait]].
-[[Applying]] a long saw will transform it into a saw spear: the saw spear is serrated like the long saw and it inflicts slashing and piercing damage, dealing 1d8 damage to small monsters and 1d10 to large monsters. An [[Atlatl (dNetHack)|atlatl]] can be used to shoot saw spears. A hero wielding a saw spear while they are at Skilled or better in spears gains the "stop thrust", "lunge" and "bleed" expert traits.
+[[Applying]] a long saw will open the weapon and transform it into a saw spear: the saw spear is serrated like the long saw and it inflicts slashing and piercing damage, dealing 1d8 damage to small monsters and 1d10 to large monsters. An [[Atlatl (dNetHack)|atlatl]] can be used to shoot saw spears. A hero wielding a saw spear while they are at Skilled or better in spears gains the "stop thrust", "lunge" and "bleed" expert traits.
 In terms of [[monster weapon preference]], monsters will favor a long saw over the [[hunter's axe]], and they will prefer a [[khopesh]], a [[bec de corbin]] (if they can use [[polearms]] in melee) or better to the long saw. For a saw spear, monsters will favor it over the [[bow-blade]] and will prefer a hunter's long-axe (the alternate form of the hunter's axe) or better to the saw spear.