Mines' End - Revision history

Tomsod: /* The Catacombs */ aha, there's another wrong number

2025-11-25T10:21:21Z

‎The Catacombs: aha, there's another wrong number

Cathartes: /* The Mimic of the Mines */ link

2024-11-16T07:34:02Z

‎The Mimic of the Mines: link

Cathartes: /* The Mimic of the Mines */ strategy for using the gem piles to identify gray stones

2024-11-16T07:32:40Z

‎The Mimic of the Mines: strategy for using the gem piles to identify gray stones

Tomsod: /* The Mimic of the Mines */ there are traps

2024-09-06T10:15:02Z

‎The Mimic of the Mines: there are traps

Furey: mines.des -> dat/mines.des

2024-06-23T20:46:25Z

mines.des -> dat/mines.des

Furey: Link directly to new page TNNT (the game).

2024-06-18T11:09:45Z

Link directly to new page TNNT (the game).

Furey: /* Variants */ Add TNNT (the game). TNNT has a swap chest at mines end.

2024-06-15T00:07:09Z

‎Variants: Add TNNT (the game). TNNT has a swap chest at mines end.

Aximili: /* The Gnome King's Wine Cellar */ move 3.4.3 map to History section

2024-06-15T00:06:35Z

‎The Gnome King's Wine Cellar: move 3.4.3 map to History section

Aximili: /* The Catacombs */ split into sections

2024-06-15T00:02:42Z

‎The Catacombs: split into sections

Furey: /* The Gnome King's Wine Cellar */ unlucky -> unfortunate

2024-06-14T07:29:49Z

‎The Gnome King's Wine Cellar: unlucky -> unfortunate

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 }}
 {{wikipedia|Catacombs}}
-This level is unmappable and contains a randomly-generated maze. The level walls, the large chambers, and the possible locations of the [[luckstone]] are fixed. There are three possible locations for the luckstone. Of the two locations that do not contain the luckstone, one will have nothing and the other a flint stone. The luckstone and the flint stone lie on [[level teleporter]]s. The rest of the level contains two diamonds, three emeralds, two rubies, two amethysts, seven other random gems, five random scrolls, four random spellbooks, three other random objects, and seven more random traps (so that the chance of at least one [[polytrap]] is 55.6%).{{refsrc|dat/mines.des|992|nethack=3.4.3}}
+This level is unmappable and contains a randomly-generated maze. The level walls, the large chambers, and the possible locations of the [[luckstone]] are fixed. There are three possible locations for the luckstone. Of the two locations that do not contain the luckstone, one will have nothing and the other a flint stone. The luckstone and the flint stone lie on [[level teleporter]]s. The rest of the level contains two diamonds, three emeralds, two rubies, two amethysts, seven other random gems, five random scrolls, four random spellbooks, three other random objects, and seven more random traps (so that the chance of at least one [[polytrap]] is <!-- 20 possible traps, with holes 1/7th as likely, so 1-(1-1/(19+1/7))**7 = 0.3131 --> 31%).{{refsrc|dat/mines.des|992|nethack=3.4.3}}
 There are two random [[V]] in the level but they will appear in their shape-changed [[d]] and [[B]] forms unless you defeat them in battle. Stay on the up stairs, and don't forget [[Elbereth]].

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 * nothing
-In addition, there are two random tools, seven random gems, three other random objects, and six random traps placed throughout the level. The rubies, emeralds, and diamonds can be identified because they are hard gems, while the amethysts can be identified because they are always grouped with the diamond and green glass.  In addition, the luckstone and loadstone can be identified by the order of the red gem piles: if the worthless glass is in the middle of the pile, then the gray stone is a luckstone, otherwise it is a loadstone.  The gray stones that the mimics are imitating can also be identified by giving a type-name the "object" on the floor (before you disturb the mimic), examining the other gems in the pile, then naming the imitated gray stone with the appropriate identification through the discoveries list.  This can allow you to informally identify all of the gray stones even if you have never encountered them.
+In addition, there are two random tools, seven random gems, three other random objects, and six random traps placed throughout the level. The rubies, emeralds, and diamonds can be identified because they are hard gems, while the amethysts can be identified because they are always grouped with the diamond and green glass.  In addition, the luckstone and loadstone can be identified by the order of the red gem piles: if the worthless glass is in the middle of the pile, then the gray stone is a luckstone, otherwise it is a loadstone.  The gray stones that the mimics are imitating can also be identified by giving a temporary [[type-name]] to the "object" on the floor (before you disturb the mimic), examining the other gems in the pile, then naming the imitated gray stone with the appropriate identification through the discoveries list.  This can allow you to informally identify all of the gray stones even if you have never encountered them.
 All walls are undiggable.

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 * nothing
-In addition, there are two random tools, seven random gems, three other random objects, and six random traps placed throughout the level. The rubies, emeralds, and diamonds can be identified because they are hard gems, while the amethysts can be identified because they are always grouped with the diamond and green glass.
+In addition, there are two random tools, seven random gems, three other random objects, and six random traps placed throughout the level. The rubies, emeralds, and diamonds can be identified because they are hard gems, while the amethysts can be identified because they are always grouped with the diamond and green glass.  In addition, the luckstone and loadstone can be identified by the order of the red gem piles: if the worthless glass is in the middle of the pile, then the gray stone is a luckstone, otherwise it is a loadstone.  The gray stones that the mimics are imitating can also be identified by giving a type-name the "object" on the floor (before you disturb the mimic), examining the other gems in the pile, then naming the imitated gray stone with the appropriate identification through the discoveries list.  This can allow you to informally identify all of the gray stones even if you have never encountered them.
 All walls are undiggable.

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 * nothing
-In addition, there are two random tools, seven random gems, and three other random objects placed throughout the level. The rubies, emeralds, and diamonds can be identified because they are hard gems, while the amethysts can be identified because they are always grouped with the diamond and green glass.
+In addition, there are two random tools, seven random gems, three other random objects, and six random traps placed throughout the level. The rubies, emeralds, and diamonds can be identified because they are hard gems, while the amethysts can be identified because they are always grouped with the diamond and green glass.
 All walls are undiggable.

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 }}
 {{wikipedia|Catacombs}}
-This level is unmappable and contains a randomly-generated maze. The level walls, the large chambers, and the possible locations of the [[luckstone]] are fixed. There are three possible locations for the luckstone. Of the two locations that do not contain the luckstone, one will have nothing and the other a flint stone. The luckstone and the flint stone lie on [[level teleporter]]s. The rest of the level contains two diamonds, three emeralds, two rubies, two amethysts, seven other random gems, five random scrolls, four random spellbooks, three other random objects, and seven more random traps (so that the chance of at least one [[polytrap]] is 55.6%).{{refsrc|mines.des|992}}
+This level is unmappable and contains a randomly-generated maze. The level walls, the large chambers, and the possible locations of the [[luckstone]] are fixed. There are three possible locations for the luckstone. Of the two locations that do not contain the luckstone, one will have nothing and the other a flint stone. The luckstone and the flint stone lie on [[level teleporter]]s. The rest of the level contains two diamonds, three emeralds, two rubies, two amethysts, seven other random gems, five random scrolls, four random spellbooks, three other random objects, and seven more random traps (so that the chance of at least one [[polytrap]] is 55.6%).{{refsrc|dat/mines.des|992|nethack=3.4.3}}
 There are two random [[V]] in the level but they will appear in their shape-changed [[d]] and [[B]] forms unless you defeat them in battle. Stay on the up stairs, and don't forget [[Elbereth]].

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 ===TNNT (the game)===
-In [[TNNT|TNNT (the game)]], Mines' End contains a [[swap chest]].
+In [[TNNT (the game)]], Mines' End contains a [[swap chest]].
 ==References==

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 ===SLASH'EM===
 SLASH'EM contains an additional level to the Gnomish Mines which is reached by a down staircase in the now misnamed Mines' End. The [[Mine king level|Mine King level]] can also be dug to through the floor of Mines' End. This is important mainly not as an escape, but as a warning to be alert for trapdoors which can drop you into a situation you are not prepared for (the new final level of the mines can be difficult for the unprepared). The down staircase will be located on one of the possible [[luckstone]] locations for the "Mimic of the Mines" and the "Catacombs" variants and immediately next to the gem cache in the "Gnome King's Wine Cellar" variant.
 ==References==

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 {{upcoming|NetHack 3.7.0|As of {{commit|c4c31ae6a8cdab60b319cc8b355445968e8ec286}}, it is no longer possible to arrive on the level in the gem cache area.  Previously, it was possible for an unfortunate character to get stuck in the treasure chamber by falling or levelporting there without a way to escape.}}
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-|.||...| ---.-.|---...|.............<...............|                **
+|.||...| ---.-.|---...|.............<............H..|                **
-|.||...--|.....|....---..........................|..|.               **
+|.||...--|.....|....-H-..........................|..D.               **
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+-------HH---|...|.| --------------------.|.-------..|.....|..
--------------.{.|.|---------------------.|..........|.....|....
+-------HH----.{.|.|---------------------.|..........|.....|....
-|...............|.S......................|-------------..-----...
+|...............|.S......................|-------------HH-----...
-|.---------------.|---------------------.|.........................
+|.---------------.|---------------------.|...................H.....
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-Nethack 3.6 changed this map slightly, and now has some randomness to it.
+=== History ===
-Tiles with a H might be walls or floor. The square marked D will contain a locked [[Door#Finding secret doors|secret door]] in case the entrance at the lower right is walled off.
-Some of these walls are mutually exclusive so that there will always be a way to reach every part of the level without digging. For details check [[Source:NetHack 3.6.0/dat/mines.des#line983]].
+Nethack 3.4.3 and earlier versions had a fixed layout for the level.
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-|.||...| ---.-.|---...|.............<............H..|                **
+|.||...| ---.-.|---...|.............<...............|                **
-|.||...--|.....|....-H-..........................|..D.               **
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+-------------.{.|.|---------------------.|..........|.....|....
-|...............|.S......................|-------------HH-----...
+|...............|.S......................|-------------..-----...
-|.---------------.|---------------------.|...................H.....
+|.---------------.|---------------------.|.........................
 |.................|                    |.....................|........
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 This level is unmappable and contains a randomly-generated maze. The level walls, the large chambers, and the possible locations of the [[luckstone]] are fixed. There are three possible locations for the luckstone. Of the two locations that do not contain the luckstone, one will have nothing and the other a flint stone. The luckstone and the flint stone lie on [[level teleporter]]s. The rest of the level contains two diamonds, three emeralds, two rubies, two amethysts, seven other random gems, five random scrolls, four random spellbooks, three other random objects, and seven more random traps (so that the chance of at least one [[polytrap]] is 55.6%).{{refsrc|mines.des|992}}
-The spellbooks and scrolls make this the most desirable level for spellcasters, but it is also the most difficult, because the starting room often contains several powerful monsters in a small space. There are two random [[V]] in the level but they will appear in their shape-changed [[d]] and [[B]] forms unless you defeat them in battle.  Earlier versions sometimes generated a [[minotaur]] hiding out in the maze, but this no longer happens as of V3.6.1. Stay on the up stairs, and don't forget [[Elbereth]] (although be aware that it will not work on a minotaur - in most cases you are better off going up and coming back when you are strong enough to face it).
+There are two random [[V]] in the level but they will appear in their shape-changed [[d]] and [[B]] forms unless you defeat them in battle. Stay on the up stairs, and don't forget [[Elbereth]].
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 The dotted areas are always open floor; the {{lightgray|<}} is the upstairs; the {{lightgray|*}} mark the locations of the luck and flint stones; and the {{blue|{}} are fountains. The rest of the level is filled with random maze.
 There are a couple of different ways that you can get the luckstone off the [[level teleporter]] traps:
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 {{upcoming|NetHack 3.7.0|Per {{commit|c7229627137407d3056233f8e85b79830f0b6a57}}, level teleporter traps can be destroyed by zapping them with a [[wand of cancellation]] or the [[spell of cancellation]].}}
 == Variants ==

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 Scattered throughout the level, there are two random tools, seven random gems, three other random objects, and six random traps. The [[luckstone]] is at the chamber in the northeast; the blank tiles are rock that needs to be dug out to reach this chamber. The chamber also contains one [[ruby]] and one [[emerald]]&nbsp;(SW), two [[diamond]]s&nbsp;(NW), two [[emerald]]s&nbsp;(NE), two [[amethyst]]s, one [[ruby]] and one luckstone&nbsp;(SE), as well as a few random gems. To get to the hidden gem cache, you can teleport in or dig with a pickaxe. As the spell/wand of digging only digs one tile here, you'll need more charges than one wand can hold, so they make a poor choice.
-{{upcoming|NetHack 3.7.0|As of {{commit|c4c31ae6a8cdab60b319cc8b355445968e8ec286}}, it is no longer possible to arrive on the level in the gem cache area.  Previously, it was possible for an unlucky character to get stuck in the treasure chamber by falling or levelporting there without a way to escape.}}
+{{upcoming|NetHack 3.7.0|As of {{commit|c4c31ae6a8cdab60b319cc8b355445968e8ec286}}, it is no longer possible to arrive on the level in the gem cache area.  Previously, it was possible for an unfortunate character to get stuck in the treasure chamber by falling or levelporting there without a way to escape.}}
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