Need +x weapon to hit - Revision history

Umbire the Phantom: /* Other items */ tweak some

2026-04-02T15:24:26Z

‎Other items: tweak some

Umbire the Phantom: tweaks

2025-12-21T17:22:39Z

tweaks

Umbire the Phantom: pothole

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Umbire the Phantom: lede

2023-12-06T02:06:14Z

lede

Umbire the Phantom: /* Pets and enchantment resistance */ way less obtuse

2023-11-21T22:43:16Z

‎Pets and enchantment resistance: way less obtuse

Umbire the Phantom: follow-up - "below XL 29" is so general as to not really tell the reader anything

2023-07-31T09:05:27Z

follow-up - "below XL 29" is so general as to not really tell the reader anything

Ion frigate: a/an

2023-07-31T08:27:56Z

a/an

Ion frigate: wikilink

2023-07-31T08:27:17Z

wikilink

Ion frigate: make this more general, try to give a broad overview without getting too detailed for each alignment

2023-07-31T08:26:56Z

make this more general, try to give a broad overview without getting too detailed for each alignment

Umbire the Phantom: /* Description */ punctuation

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 ===Other items===
-If you are wielding an item that can be enchanted or charged, whether it is [[armor]], a [[tool]], or even a [[wand]], the game still checks the enchantment/charge of that item. This is because both values are stored by the same variable for objects ("spe"), which is checked for enchantment resistance. Therefore, bashing a [[statue gargoyle]] with a wand of wishing (0:0) will do nothing, but bashing it with a wand of wishing (0:1) will hurt it.
+If you are wielding an item that can be enchanted or charged, whether it is [[armor]], a [[tool]], or even a [[wand]], the game still checks the enchantment/charge of that item. This is because both values are stored by the same variable for objects (<tt>spe</tt>), which is checked for enchantment resistance. Therefore, bashing a [[statue gargoyle]] with a wand of wishing (0:0) will do no damage, but bashing it with a wand of wishing (0:1) will inflict damage (albeit very little compared to an actual enchanted weapon).
 ===Artifacts===

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 ** Lawfuls have the easiest time: not only can they obtain minions without an altar by praying at low HP, every lawful minion hits as at least a +1 weapon.
 ** Neutrals have the hardest time: the only appropriate minion they can get is a [[grey unicorn]] (which hits as +2) while sacrificing at experience level 10 or below, with a better chance at lower levels.
-** Chaotics have dozens of possible minions with the property, but the selection is a mixed bag depending on experience level: Experience levels 12-16 may have the best spread of applicable minions, including [[Bearded devil (SLASH'EM)|bearded devils]], [[bar-lgura]]s and [[chasme]]s (which all hit as +2); black unicorns and [[shadow wolves]] also hit as +2 and can be obtained at lower levels.
+** Chaotics have dozens of possible minions with the property, but the selection is a mixed bag depending on experience level: Experience levels 12-16 may have the best spread of applicable minions, including [[Bearded devil (SLASH'EM)|bearded devils]], [[bar-lgura]]s and [[chasme]]s (which all hit as +2); black unicorns and [[Shadow wolf (SLASH'EM)|shadow wolves]] also hit as +2 and can be obtained at lower levels.
-* Save any [[banana]]s you find for the various {{monclass|Y}}s that you can encounter: you can use one to tame a [[yeti]], [[sasquatch]] or [[zruty]], which all hit as a +1 weapon and deal decent base damage.
+* Save any [[banana]]s you find for the various [[apelike creature]]s that you can encounter: you can use one to tame a [[yeti]], [[sasquatch]] or [[zruty]], which all hit as a +1 weapon and deal decent base damage.
 * Early [[pet shop]]s may provide you with a viable [[figurine]] that you can bless for an appropriate pet, most likely something that can wield weapons - beware that you have a {{frac|4|5}} chance at most of a blessed figurine generating a tame monster.
 * Using a [[bullwhip]] to disarm your pet and enchant its weapon becomes almost crucial in the late game, as there are very few tameable monsters that can naturally hit an Archon or a Solar without a weapon (save e.g., another Solar or a Planetar, which are common targets for a figurine [[wish]]). Note that weapon-wielding minions will not re-wield a weapon once it is taken from them.

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 ** Lawfuls have the easiest time: not only can they obtain minions without an altar by praying at low HP, every lawful minion hits as at least a +1 weapon.
 ** Neutrals have the hardest time: the only appropriate minion they can get is a [[grey unicorn]] (which hits as +2) while sacrificing at experience level 10 or below, with a better chance at lower levels.
-** Chaotics have dozens of possible minions with the property, but the selection is a mixed bag depending on experience level: Experience levels 12-16 may have the best spread of applicable minions, including [[bearded devil]]s, [[bar-lgura]]s and [[chasme]]s (which all hit as +2); black unicorns and [[shadow wolves]] also hit as +2 and can be obtained at lower levels.
+** Chaotics have dozens of possible minions with the property, but the selection is a mixed bag depending on experience level: Experience levels 12-16 may have the best spread of applicable minions, including [[Bearded devil (SLASH'EM)|bearded devils]], [[bar-lgura]]s and [[chasme]]s (which all hit as +2); black unicorns and [[shadow wolves]] also hit as +2 and can be obtained at lower levels.
 * Save any [[banana]]s you find for the various {{monclass|Y}}s that you can encounter: you can use one to tame a [[yeti]], [[sasquatch]] or [[zruty]], which all hit as a +1 weapon and deal decent base damage.
 * Early [[pet shop]]s may provide you with a viable [[figurine]] that you can bless for an appropriate pet, most likely something that can wield weapons - beware that you have a {{frac|4|5}} chance at most of a blessed figurine generating a tame monster.

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−	In [[SLASH'EM]] and [[SlashTHEM]], new and returning [[monster]]s can have the '''"Need +x weapon to hit"''' [[property]], where x is an integer from 1 to 4 - monsters with the property cannot be damaged ~~with~~ weapons with less than the required enchantment. This is also informally known as '''"enchantment resistance"''', and is derived from ''[[Dungeons & Dragons]]'' alongside the "[[Hits creatures as +x weapon]]" property.	+	In [[SLASH'EM]] and [[SlashTHEM]], new and returning [[monster]]s can have the '''"Need +x weapon to hit"''' [[property]], where x is an integer from 1 to 4 - monsters with the property cannot be damaged by weapons with less than the required enchantment. This is also informally known as '''"enchantment resistance"''', and is derived from ''[[Dungeons & Dragons]]'' alongside the "[[Hits creatures as +x weapon]]" property.

	==Description==		==Description==

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 * Most baby dragons obtained from [[egg]]s hit as +1 weapons; the exceptions are baby shimmering, silver, and deep dragons. [[Male]] characters have a decent chance of getting such a pet by picking up random eggs early on.
-* Intelligent, weapon-wielding [[humanoid]] monsters can hit reliably with a sufficiently-enchanted weapon. Even [[Dwarf (monster)|dwarves]] or [[Gnome (monster)|gnomes]] can do the job if you manage to tame one, which can be done with [[magic trap]]s - these are usually not too hard to come by in the [[Gnomish Mines]], though getting the proper effect in a timely manner is another task entirely.
+* Intelligent, weapon-wielding [[humanoid]] monsters can hit reliably with a sufficiently-enchanted weapon - even tamed [[Dwarf (monster)|dwarves]] or [[Gnome (monster)|gnomes]] can do the job in theory, though in practice they will not be capable of taking on much higher-levels.
-* All characters can potentially obtain appropriate [[minion]]s from their god through sacrifice at an altar.  The difficulty of accomplishing this varies by alignment and XL:
+* All characters can potentially obtain appropriate [[minion]]s from their god through sacrifice at an altar. The difficulty of accomplishing this varies by alignment and XL:
 ** Lawfuls have the easiest time: not only can they obtain minions without an altar by praying at low HP, every lawful minion hits as at least a +1 weapon.
 ** Neutrals have the hardest time: the only appropriate minion they can get is a [[grey unicorn]] (which hits as +2) while sacrificing at experience level 10 or below, with a better chance at lower levels.
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 * Save any [[banana]]s you find for the various {{monclass|Y}}s that you can encounter: you can use one to tame a [[yeti]], [[sasquatch]] or [[zruty]], which all hit as a +1 weapon and deal decent base damage.
 * Early [[pet shop]]s may provide you with a viable [[figurine]] that you can bless for an appropriate pet, most likely something that can wield weapons - beware that you have a {{frac|4|5}} chance at most of a blessed figurine generating a tame monster.
-* Using a [[bullwhip]] to disarm your pet and enchant its weapon becomes almost crucial in the late game, as there are very few tameable monsters that can naturally hit an Archon or a Solar without a weapon (save e.g., another Solar or a Planetar, which are common targets for a figurine [[wish]]).
+* Using a [[bullwhip]] to disarm your pet and enchant its weapon becomes almost crucial in the late game, as there are very few tameable monsters that can naturally hit an Archon or a Solar without a weapon (save e.g., another Solar or a Planetar, which are common targets for a figurine [[wish]]). Note that weapon-wielding minions will not re-wield a weapon once it is taken from them.
 ==See also==

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 When in combat, the game checks the enchantment of the attacker's wielded weapon against any "Need +x weapon to hit" flags the target possesses{{refsrc|uhitm.c|769|version=SLASH'EM 0.0.7E7F2}} - [[artifact]]s that [[you]] attack with gain a +2 bonus to this check, {{refsrc|uhitm.c|886|version=SLASH'EM 0.0.7E7F2}} while [[Magicbane]] is always counted as a +4 weapon, effectively ignoring all forms of enchantment resistance when you attack with it.{{refsrc|uhitm.c|885|version=SLASH'EM 0.0.7E7F2}} For ranged weapons fired from [[launcher]]s, only the enchantment of the fired [[projectile]] matters.
-Monsters with the ''hits creatures as a +x weapon'' property - including you if you are [[polyself]]ed into such a monster - instead have that property checked against the target's enchantment resistance. This property is checked over weapon enchantments for you and for monsters in this case, though you will still gain a +2 bonus if attacking with an artifact.
+Monsters with the "hits creatures as a +x weapon" property - including you if you are [[polyself]]ed into such a monster - instead have that property checked against the target's enchantment resistance. This property is checked over weapon enchantments for you and for monsters in this case, though you will still gain a +2 bonus if attacking with an artifact.
 If the effective enchantment of the attack is equal to or greater than the "enchantment resistance" of the target, it will do normal damage - otherwise, the attack deals no damage, as signified by the message that will follow. Your weapons that fail to damage a monster with a "Need +x weapon to hit" property still count towards training that weapon's [[skill]]. There are some exceptions to the above: