Negative gold - Revision history

Umbire the Phantom: pothole

2025-01-16T19:04:25Z

pothole

Ion frigate: mention YAFM

2024-12-25T15:30:42Z

mention YAFM

Umbire the Phantom: word choice - reader should be able to sus out what happens with unpaid debt

2024-03-09T11:57:19Z

word choice - reader should be able to sus out what happens with unpaid debt

Umbire the Phantom: potholes, etc.

2023-11-12T08:35:34Z

potholes, etc.

Netzhack: Wording

2023-10-22T13:53:56Z

Wording

Umbire the Phantom at 02:19, 7 September 2021

2021-09-07T02:19:48Z

PixelHacker: basically I messed up. the negative gold from wizard mode doesn't show in the status bar anymore so I thought it didn't work.

2021-04-04T10:16:54Z

basically I messed up. the negative gold from wizard mode doesn't show in the status bar anymore so I thought it didn't work.

PixelHacker: Undo revision 138764 by PixelHacker (talk)

2021-04-04T10:15:16Z

Undo revision 138764 by PixelHacker (talk)

PixelHacker: /* Creation */

2021-04-04T10:10:10Z

‎Creation

PixelHacker: /* Properties */

2021-04-04T10:06:54Z

‎Properties

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 In [[wizard mode]], wish for the highest possible amount of gold (2147483647). Then, wish for 1 more gold piece. When combined, the stack turns into -2147483648 gold. You can then optionally wish for more gold to make it more manageable.
-In unpatched versions of NetHack 3.4.3, it was also possible to produce negative gold using a [[bug]] in the implementation of the [[stone to flesh]] spell. If you cast the spell at a monster who was petrified with gold in inventory and who has ever been tame, the monster will be unpetrified with two stacks of gold in inventory. Although this normally only produces linear growth, because the bug only duplicates one stack, taming the monster can manipulate it to drop and pick up the stacks, merging them. Enough doublings will overflow the stack to a negative size, this is normally done with a [[nymph]], which has infinite carrying capacity and thus can carry the very large stacks of gold produced. The bug was patched out on most [[public server]]s and by most [[variant]]s, and was fixed in NetHack 3.6.0.
+In unpatched versions of NetHack 3.4.3, it was also possible to produce negative gold using a [[bug]] in the implementation of the [[stone to flesh]] spell. If you cast the spell at a monster who was petrified with gold in inventory and who has ever been tame, the monster will be unpetrified with two stacks of gold in inventory. Although this normally only produces linear growth, because the bug only duplicates one stack, taming the monster can manipulate it to drop and pick up the stacks, merging them. Enough doublings will overflow the stack to a negative size, this is normally done with a [[Nymph (monster class)|nymph]], which has infinite carrying capacity and thus can carry the very large stacks of gold produced. The bug was patched out on most [[public server]]s and by most [[variant]]s, and was fixed in NetHack 3.6.0.
 Attempting to generate negative gold by dropping or throwing a negative amount - possible in 32-bit versions of NetHack by overflowing the number to drop, e.g. by typing "d2147483648$" - would generate [[YAFM]] referencing [[Larn#Larn references in NetHack|Larn]]; this is no longer possible in 64-bit versions of NetHack.

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	In unpatched versions of NetHack 3.4.3, it was also possible to produce negative gold using a [[bug]] in the implementation of the [[stone to flesh]] spell. If you cast the spell at a monster who was petrified with gold in inventory and who has ever been tame, the monster will be unpetrified with two stacks of gold in inventory. Although this normally only produces linear growth, because the bug only duplicates one stack, taming the monster can manipulate it to drop and pick up the stacks, merging them. Enough doublings will overflow the stack to a negative size, this is normally done with a [[nymph]], which has infinite carrying capacity and thus can carry the very large stacks of gold produced. The bug was patched out on most [[public server]]s and by most [[variant]]s, and was fixed in NetHack 3.6.0.		In unpatched versions of NetHack 3.4.3, it was also possible to produce negative gold using a [[bug]] in the implementation of the [[stone to flesh]] spell. If you cast the spell at a monster who was petrified with gold in inventory and who has ever been tame, the monster will be unpetrified with two stacks of gold in inventory. Although this normally only produces linear growth, because the bug only duplicates one stack, taming the monster can manipulate it to drop and pick up the stacks, merging them. Enough doublings will overflow the stack to a negative size, this is normally done with a [[nymph]], which has infinite carrying capacity and thus can carry the very large stacks of gold produced. The bug was patched out on most [[public server]]s and by most [[variant]]s, and was fixed in NetHack 3.6.0.
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		+	Attempting to generate negative gold by dropping or throwing a negative amount - possible in 32-bit versions of NetHack by overflowing the number to drop, e.g. by typing "d2147483648$" - would generate [[YAFM]] referencing [[Larn#Larn references in NetHack\|Larn]]; this is no longer possible in 64-bit versions of NetHack.

	==Properties==		==Properties==

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 * Because it has negative weight, negative gold decreases your burden level. A maximum-sized stack of negative gold has a negative weight approximately equivalent to that of -42949 [[loadstone]]s.
 * Eating negative gold (as a rock mole or other [[metallivore]]) makes you more hungry. A maximum-sized stack can leave you [[fainting]] from hunger for over 30,000 turns.
-* Negative gold reacts strangely with [[shop]]s. Dropping it, instead of giving you credit, gives you debt - if you leave the store, the [[Keystone Kop (monster class)|Keystone Kops]] come after you. Likewise, if negative gold is already in a shop (e.g. because you dropped it there earlier and have pacified the shopkeeper), picking it up will give you credit rather than debt.
+* Negative gold reacts strangely with [[shop]]s: dropping negative gold within a shop's boundaries causes you to accrue debt instead of credit, and picking it up will give you credit rather than debt.
 * You cannot split a stack of negative gold; attempting to drop just part of it will always drop the entire stack.
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 Negative gold had some strange properties (which probably still apply if you obtain it using wizard mode):
 * Because it has negative weight, negative gold decreases your burden level. A maximum-sized stack of negative gold has a negative weight approximately equivalent to that of -42949 [[loadstone]]s.
-* Eating negative gold (as a rock mole or other [[metallivore]]) makes you more hungry. A maximum-sized stack can make you [[fainting|faint]] for over 30,000 turns.
+* Eating negative gold (as a rock mole or other [[metallivore]]) makes you more hungry. A maximum-sized stack can leave you [[fainting]] from hunger for over 30,000 turns.
-* Negative gold reacts strangely with [[shop]]s. Dropping it, instead of giving you credit, gives you debt. Then, if you leave the store, the [[Keystone Kops]] come after you. Likewise, if negative gold is already in a shop (say because you dropped it there earlier and have pacified the shopkeeper), picking it up will give you credit rather than debt.
+* Negative gold reacts strangely with [[shop]]s. Dropping it, instead of giving you credit, gives you debt - if you leave the store, the [[Keystone Kop (monster class)|Keystone Kops]] come after you. Likewise, if negative gold is already in a shop (e.g. because you dropped it there earlier and have pacified the shopkeeper), picking it up will give you credit rather than debt.
 * You cannot split a stack of negative gold; attempting to drop just part of it will always drop the entire stack.
 {{noversion}}
 [[Category:Bugs]]

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-'''Negative gold''' is a [[bug]] in [[NetHack 3.4.3]] that occurs as a side effect of [[integer overflow]]. If a stack of more than 2147483647 gold pieces is ever created, it becomes negative because it is interpreted as a signed integers. (In some 64-bit builds, you need a considerably larger stack to produce the effect; 64-bit negative gold is not widely understood, because some of its effects are based on all 64 bits and and some on only the bottom 32.) A stack of negative gold has several strange properties.
+'''Negative gold''' is a [[bug]] in [[NetHack 3.4.3]] that occurs as a side effect of [[integer overflow]]. If a stack of more than 2147483647 gold pieces is ever created, the quantity becomes negative because it is interpreted as a signed integer. (In some 64-bit builds, you need a considerably larger stack to produce the effect; 64-bit negative gold is not widely understood, because some of its effects are based on all 64 bits and and some on only the bottom 32.) A stack of negative gold has several strange properties.
 ==Creation==
 In [[wizard mode]], wish for the highest possible amount of gold (2147483647). Then, wish for 1 more gold piece. When combined, the stack turns into -2147483648 gold. You can then optionally wish for more gold to make it more manageable.
-In unpatched versions of NetHack 3.4.3, it was also possible to produce negative gold using a [[bug]] in the implementation of the [[stone to flesh]] spell. If you cast the spell at a monster who was petrified with gold in inventory and who has ever been tame, the monster will be unpetrified with two stacks of gold in inventory. Although this normally only produces linear growth, because the bug only duplicates one stack, taming the monster can manipulate it to drop and pick up the stacks, merging them. Enough doublings will overflow the stack to a negative size, This is normally done with a [[nymph]], which has infinite carry capacity and thus can carry the very large stacks of gold produced. The bug was patched out on most [[public server]]s and by most [[variant]]s, and was fixed in NetHack 3.6.0.
+In unpatched versions of NetHack 3.4.3, it was also possible to produce negative gold using a [[bug]] in the implementation of the [[stone to flesh]] spell. If you cast the spell at a monster who was petrified with gold in inventory and who has ever been tame, the monster will be unpetrified with two stacks of gold in inventory. Although this normally only produces linear growth, because the bug only duplicates one stack, taming the monster can manipulate it to drop and pick up the stacks, merging them. Enough doublings will overflow the stack to a negative size, this is normally done with a [[nymph]], which has infinite carrying capacity and thus can carry the very large stacks of gold produced. The bug was patched out on most [[public server]]s and by most [[variant]]s, and was fixed in NetHack 3.6.0.
 ==Properties==
-Negative gold had some strange properties (which still probably apply if you obtain it using wizard mode):
+Negative gold had some strange properties (which probably still apply if you obtain it using wizard mode):
 * Because it has negative weight, negative gold decreases your burden level. A maximum-sized stack of negative gold has a negative weight approximately equivalent to that of -42949 [[loadstone]]s.
 * Eating negative gold (as a rock mole or other [[metallivore]]) makes you more hungry. A maximum-sized stack can make you [[fainting|faint]] for over 30,000 turns.