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Umbire the Phantom: /* Terminal Position? */ potholes

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‎Terminal Position?: potholes

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 anyone ever try this one?
-:The cat (alive or dead) is created by {{function|pickup.c|observe_quantum_cat}}, which is only called when the box is opened. In fact, a comment in this function explicitly notes that other forms of observation ''should'' determine the cat's state, but don't. I haven't tested this, but based on my reading of the code I would expect the box to be considered empty by the probe. -- [[User:Killian|Killian]] 15:00, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
+:The cat (alive or dead) is created by {{function_343|pickup.c|observe_quantum_cat}}, which is only called when the box is opened. In fact, a comment in this function explicitly notes that other forms of observation ''should'' determine the cat's state, but don't. I haven't tested this, but based on my reading of the code I would expect the box to be considered empty by the probe. -- [[User:Killian|Killian]] 15:00, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 :That's fantastic that the DevTeam has considered this problem.  Any other ideas on how to detect the cat without opening the box?  Maybe telepathy?  It's definitely a Small Matter of Programming to properly implement all the possibilities. --[[User:Andronikus|Andronikus]] 15:39, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
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 --Yes, but I'd love to know how much it is. [[User:Tjr|Tjr]] 20:41, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
-: update on [[credit_cloning]]: Sometimes your pet will not pick up your "stealing bag" because it is too heavy. Base monster carrying capacity is equal to human maximum carrying capacity, or half human maximum if not strong. This is then modified by the ratio between the monster weights and human weights. Corpseless monsters are given a capacity proportional to their size instead of weight.<ref>{{function|Mon.c|max_mon_load}}</ref> [[User:Tjr|Tjr]] 18:21, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
+: update on [[credit_cloning]]: Sometimes your pet will not pick up your "stealing bag" because it is too heavy. Base monster carrying capacity is equal to human maximum carrying capacity, or half human maximum if not strong. This is then modified by the ratio between the monster weights and human weights. Corpseless monsters are given a capacity proportional to their size instead of weight.<ref>{{function_343|mon.c|max_mon_load}}</ref> [[User:Tjr|Tjr]] 18:21, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
 :: Please tell me if I'm doing the correct calculations: Maximum carrying capacity is 1000 and a [[Human (monster)|human]] has a weight of 1450. A [[ Kitten]] weighs 150 (and is presumably not strong) so it can carry .5*1000/1450*150 = 51? What is this 'strong' characteristic? [[User:DemonDoll|DemonDoll]] 18:59, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

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 I would welcome any suggestions which don't involve death....
-: Praying would cure lycanthropy for good, but your god seems to be angry. Wait until your polymorph times out or until monsters turn up that cause you to "die", i. e. rehumanize. Then engrave [[Elbereth]] first thing, re-equip yourself, and deal with both problems as fast as you can. Luckily, at least you won't shred your armor when you turn back into a rat. On your way back, use Elbereth to lock off rooms in case you turn back into were form to keep the more dangerous monsters at bay. Good things to have are [[holy water[[ (+[[helmOA]] if chaotic), a [[sprig of wolfsbane]], an [[amulet of unchanging]], a [[ring of polymorph control]], or "pleased" [[prayer]]: they will all cure or keep [[lycanthropy]] at bay. In your situation, trying on un-id rings and amulets probably is a good idea. As for the [[loadstone]], there are lots of creative ways to get rid of it, even if you cannot uncurse it.
+: Praying would cure lycanthropy for good, but your god seems to be angry. Wait until your polymorph times out or until monsters turn up that cause you to "die", i. e. rehumanize. Then engrave [[Elbereth]] first thing, re-equip yourself, and deal with both problems as fast as you can. Luckily, at least you won't shred your armor when you turn back into a rat. On your way back, use Elbereth to lock off rooms in case you turn back into were form to keep the more dangerous monsters at bay. Good things to have are [[holy water]] (+[[Helm of opposite alignment|helmOA]] if chaotic), a [[sprig of wolfsbane]], an [[amulet of unchanging]], a [[ring of polymorph control]], or "pleased" [[prayer]]: they will all cure or keep [[lycanthropy]] at bay. In your situation, trying on un-id rings and amulets probably is a good idea. As for the [[loadstone]], there are lots of creative ways to get rid of it, even if you cannot uncurse it.
 : Hunger should then be the least of your problems, just kill monsters once you are cured. -[[User:Tjr|Tjr]] 11:16, September 12, 2009 (UTC)

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 ::Shall I pick a character's race, role, gender and alignment for you? [ynq]
-Panicking, I checked the page for my account (http://alt.org/nethack/plr.php?player=Handrocles) and indeed, after several days it still shows my game as it was when I crashed.  I daren't try to start a new game or anything, beyond the message above.  Now, and here's the clincher: RNG knows I die often enough, but on this particular game I found a wand of wishing (0:3) on turn 12, an amulet of life saving, and later in Izchak's shop I got two magic lamps!  Needless to say, this character is pimped out (AC -1 at level 1, as a wizard!).  The RNG giveth, and the RNG taketh away, but I'd really hate to lose this game to anything other than my own stupidity.
+Panicking, I checked the page for my account (https://alt.org/nethack/plr.php?player=Handrocles) and indeed, after several days it still shows my game as it was when I crashed.  I daren't try to start a new game or anything, beyond the message above.  Now, and here's the clincher: RNG knows I die often enough, but on this particular game I found a wand of wishing (0:3) on turn 12, an amulet of life saving, and later in Izchak's shop I got two magic lamps!  Needless to say, this character is pimped out (AC -1 at level 1, as a wizard!).  The RNG giveth, and the RNG taketh away, but I'd really hate to lose this game to anything other than my own stupidity.
 So, here are my questions:
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 I'm looking at the all time high scores on alt.org, and some of these people have hp in the MILLIONS!
 How on earth did they do that? Nurse dancing? Potions of full healing? Royal Jelly?
-Edit: Looking [http://alt.org/nethack/ttyrecscreen.php?fname=http://alt.org/nethack/userdata/ZyrKx/ttyrec/2008-07-05.22:30:29.ttyrec.bz2 here] it seems as though pudding farming is the way to go.
+Edit: Looking [https://alt.org/nethack/ttyrecscreen.php?fname=https://alt.org/nethack/userdata/ZyrKx/ttyrec/2008-07-05.22:30:29.ttyrec.bz2 here] it seems as though pudding farming is the way to go.
 --[[User:Glisignoli|Ha! Showed you!]] 22:50, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 :[[Polyself bug]] :) Pudding farming was probably used to hoard amulets of life saving so they didn't die from polymorphing to level 0. [[User:Fredil Yupigo|Fredil Yupigo]] 23:01, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

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 --Yes, but I'd love to know how much it is. [[User:Tjr|Tjr]] 20:41, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
-: update on [[credit_cloning]]: Sometimes your pet will not pick up your "stealing bag" because it is too heavy. Base monster carrying capacity is equal to human maximum carrying capacity, or half human maximum if not strong. This is then modified by the ratio between the monster weights and human weights. Corpseless monsters are given a capacity proportional to their size instead of weight.<ref>[[Mon.c#max_mon_load]]</ref> [[User:Tjr|Tjr]] 18:21, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
+: update on [[credit_cloning]]: Sometimes your pet will not pick up your "stealing bag" because it is too heavy. Base monster carrying capacity is equal to human maximum carrying capacity, or half human maximum if not strong. This is then modified by the ratio between the monster weights and human weights. Corpseless monsters are given a capacity proportional to their size instead of weight.<ref>{{function|Mon.c|max_mon_load}}</ref> [[User:Tjr|Tjr]] 18:21, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
 :: Please tell me if I'm doing the correct calculations: Maximum carrying capacity is 1000 and a [[Human (monster)|human]] has a weight of 1450. A [[ Kitten]] weighs 150 (and is presumably not strong) so it can carry .5*1000/1450*150 = 51? What is this 'strong' characteristic? [[User:DemonDoll|DemonDoll]] 18:59, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

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 I can swear, that I did find a few times a Bermuda shirt.
-This Wiki does not know anything about it: http://nethack.wikia.com/wiki/Shirt
+This Wiki does not know anything about it: http://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Shirt
 Am I wrong? {{unsigned|62.4.97.97|8 July 2009}}

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 :::::Well, yes you can but what your talking about is the computer version. im talking about the ipod version.  this is it: [[INetHack]], its getting annoying being stuck in explore mode, but I raided a spell book shop and killed the shopkeep. {{unsigned|BobicusIX|30 August 2009}}
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	::Thanks. But as it happened I got a genocide wish from the throne in Grund's Stronghold, and used it on giant shoggoths. So whatever it was, it was gone when I got back.		::Thanks. But as it happened I got a genocide wish from the throne in Grund's Stronghold, and used it on giant shoggoths. So whatever it was, it was gone when I got back.
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		+	==How to send messages==
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		+	How do i send a message to another player?
		+	: I assume you're asking how to send a message to another player currently playing on NAO: press {{kbd\|m}}. To reply, the player either engraves his answer or prefixes it with {{kbd\|#}} to form an invalid command. -[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 20:49, December 28, 2009 (UTC)
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		+	== vlads tower ==
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		+	is the entrance to vlads tower under the big square i can't enter or one of the doors around it?
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		+	:The entrance to Vlad's Tower is simply an extra up-stairs on a random level between 34 and 42. If you're talking about the Wizard's tower, however, you need to keep going down past all the large squares you can't enter until you see a little island and moat in the middle of the level. There will be two of them (on two different levels) - one is a fake entrance, the other is real. The real one has a teleport trap in the middle. Which takes you inside the large squares that you couldn't previously enter.
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		+	== elemental planes ==
		+
		+	I'm never able to make it past the elemental planes. What always happens is archons and titans keep summoning more of each other until the entire level is filled with them. Wearing a ring of conflict doesn't seem to be enough to thin their numbers, unfortunately. What am I supposed to do? How do you deal with the hordes of archons? I'm wondering - perhaps I'm genociding too many classes of monsters and thus, their summon spells summon more of each other? Maybe I should pursue a more minimalist genociding strategy?
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		+	:The planes are different than any other part of the game - you should be racing through them as fast as possible, be in and out long before anything has a chance to summon and fill the level with anything. If there are some Titans/Archons in your way, shoot them with a wand of teleport to clear a path then keep running. Standing around trying to fight the Titans/Archons or trying to thin the herd with conflict is basically a guaranteed way to lose unless your character is mega-pimped.
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		+	== Ascending without doing the wizard quest ==
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		+	I accidently attacked the Wizard Quest NPC and got expelled. The game was going great until then and I have pretty much all the items needed to ascend.. Is it still worth trying to pursure the great ascension without the eye?
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		+	:You can definitely ascend without the Eye, but you might have a hard time without the [[Bell of Opening]]. --[[User:Andronikus\|Andronikus]] 13:28, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
		+
		+	== Different commands ==
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		+	I am semi-new to net hack, and i know most of the commands and they do.but one thing I haven't been able to figure out is: 1.How do I delete a saved file in explore mode,and 2.How do I make friends with a tame-able animal (I.E. unicorn)? oh, I forgot, how do you sacrafice, and use rings?
		+	--[[User:BobicusIX\|BobicusIX]] 22:20, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
		+	:Welcome! Here are some answers to your questions:
		+	:#See the entry on the [[bones]] page for what the file names are for the save files. Just navigate to the [[sandbox]] directory and delete the appropriate file. Information on how to interact with them is on the [[explore mode]] page
		+	:#See [[taming]] for a full description, but the crib notes are: Harps, food and spellbook of charm monster are your friends in different situations. You can pacify any unicorn with a gem, however taming them (making them a pet) requires charm monster. Information with how to interact with them is on the [[pet]] or [[tame]] pages
		+	:#Sacrifices are done at [[altar]]s - carry or move the corpse on to it and then use the extended command {{kbd\|#}}[[offer]]. Check the alignment of the altar first! Information on how to interact with them is on the [[sacrifice]] page
		+	:#Rings need to be {{kbd\|P}}[[put on\|ut on]]. You can only wear two of them at a time. Information on how to interact with them is on the [[ring]]s page
		+	:Is it me or do you see a pattern for each last sentence in the above points? -- [[User:Kalon\|Kalon]] 22:49, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
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		+	::Thanks. That helps a lot. Yes i do see a pattern, but it doesn't matter.
		+	::--[[User:BobicusIX\|BobicusIX]] 15:12, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
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		+	:::Ok, thats all figured out, but i also have the ipod version, and I cant get that fie to delete, so im stuck in explore mode for now. my computer file is good now, but this is still a problem. Does anyone know how to delete ipod nethack files?
		+	:::--[[User:BobicusIX\|BobicusIX]] 20:39, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
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		+	::::If you're in explore mode, can't you just die and then select "Yes" to the question about allowing your character to die? ''Caveat:'' I don't spend much time in Explore mode, so I can't remember -- [[User:Kalon\|Kalon]] 22:37, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
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		+	:::::Well, yes you can but what your talking about is the computer version. im talking about the ipod version. this is it: [[INetHack]], its getting annoying being stuck in explore mode, but I raided a spell book shop and killed the shopkeep. {{unsigned\|BobicusIX\|30 August 2009}}
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	== Adjusting NAO ==		== Adjusting NAO ==