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Umbire the Phantom: adjust pothole

2025-10-24T08:08:27Z

adjust pothole

Furey: SLASH'EM -> Source:SLASH'EM

2024-06-29T15:16:23Z

SLASH'EM -> Source:SLASH'EM

Umbire the Phantom: potholes et. al.

2024-05-22T14:35:11Z

potholes et. al.

Luxidream: Isn't organized well and doesn't fit with other strategy pages

2018-01-02T07:03:02Z

Isn't organized well and doesn't fit with other strategy pages

Tjr: page is static now

2011-01-03T15:49:32Z

page is static now

Tjr: moved NetHackWiki:Ask an expert to NetHackWiki:Ask an expert/Archive6: archiving

2011-01-03T15:47:16Z

moved NetHackWiki:Ask an expert to NetHackWiki:Ask an expert/Archive6: archiving

Tjr: object-ID - do learn price ID.

2010-12-01T22:12:53Z

object-ID - do learn price ID.

Henshin at 21:53, 1 December 2010

2010-12-01T21:53:07Z

Ndwolfwood: /* what wuold hapen if you used the spell stone to flesh on a statue of a former player */

2010-11-24T01:35:40Z

‎what wuold hapen if you used the spell stone to flesh on a statue of a former player

195.50.80.61: is it so wrong to hate side-scrolling?

2010-11-18T12:56:54Z

is it so wrong to hate side-scrolling?

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-: You can try to {{kbd|a}}pply a new potion to test for [[oil]]. If you find an item on a monster's corpse and you [[death drop|did not kill it yourself]], name it something like "purple moninvent" because only a [[offensive item|small]] [[defensive item|subset]] [[misc item|of objects]] can be generated on monsters. [[Nymph]]s often carry [[object detection]]. That's about all you can say safely.
+: You can try to {{kbd|a}}pply a new potion to test for [[oil]]. If you find an item on a monster's corpse and you [[death drop|did not kill it yourself]], name it something like "purple moninvent" because only a [[offensive item|small]] [[defensive item|subset]] [[misc item|of objects]] can be generated on monsters. [[Nymph]]s often carry {{! of|object detection}}. That's about all you can say safely.
 : Using unknown scrolls and potions is a pretty bad idea. There are some outright dangerous ones, and generally it's a waste of resources. I recommend you learn [[price identification]]. There are [http://www.steelypips.org/nethack/shopping.html#real-tables pre-made price tables]. See also the [http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~damerell/games/nhid.html object identification spoiler]. --[[User:Tjr|Tjr]]
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 :You can't give it any further intrinsics; pets that will wear armor or wield weapons can be given reflection and magic resistance, as well as some other resistances from artifact weapons. No monster in nethack or SLASH'EM will put on rings, and the only amulets they will wear are reflection and life-saving.
-:As for the level-reversion, looking at [[SLASH'EM 0.0.7E7F2/timeout.c#line599]], there doesn't seem to be any reference to the monster's level; I'm guessing that whoever wrote that just didn't want to keep track of the monster's level as well. Potions of gain level should affect pets, however, up to a maximum of 49. That doesn't help for pets which won't drink potions, of course.
+:As for the level-reversion, looking at [[Source:SLASH'EM 0.0.7E7F2/timeout.c#line599]], there doesn't seem to be any reference to the monster's level; I'm guessing that whoever wrote that just didn't want to keep track of the monster's level as well. Potions of gain level should affect pets, however, up to a maximum of 49. That doesn't help for pets which won't drink potions, of course.
 :And if you want to keep your dog alive through the whole game, you can:
 **Play very carefully - I imagine that keeping a particular dog alive through the whole game is probably significantly easier than a [[pacifist]] ascension, for example; you just have to watch out for monsters such as [[crystal golem]]s and [[black dragon]]s which can one-shot it. A [[wand of teleportation]], [[wand of healing|wand of (extra) healing]] and [[magic whistle]] would all greatly assist in keeping it alive.

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 **Polymorph it into stronger forms. Make sure you use [[polytrap]]s to do this, as the wand or spell has a chance to kill it outright. In addition to having a more survivable form, it also has a "second chance" if it's killed, as it will just revert to its original form. The downside is this only lasts 1000 or so turns per polytrap, and they may not be spaced correctly for that.
 **If you have a bag of holding (or better the [[Wallet of Perseus]]) and a slightly loose definition of "alive through the whole game", you could stone it, carry the statue, and stone-to-flesh and retame it at the altar.
-:But also note that leveling your dog up is actually likely to decrease its ultimate chance for survival: pets won't attack things more than a level higher than them without conflict, meaning a dog in the endgame isn't going to attack that much. Monsters will never actively attack pets without conflict; they always attack as a response. A high-level dog is likely to get itself killed, as its attacks don't scale with its level. No monster better demonstrates this than the [[Oracle]]; she will wipe out any domestic animal foolish enough to attack her (and I've seen her take down [[deva]]s even). -[[User:Ion frigate|Ion frigate]] 09:24, October 31, 2010 (UTC)
+:But also note that leveling your dog up is actually likely to decrease its ultimate chance for survival: pets won't attack things more than a level higher than them without conflict, meaning a dog in the endgame isn't going to attack that much. Monsters will never actively attack pets without conflict; they always attack as a response. A high-level dog is likely to get itself killed, as its attacks don't scale with its level. No monster better demonstrates this than [[Oracle (monster)|the Oracle]]; she will wipe out any domestic animal foolish enough to attack her (and I've seen her take down [[deva]]s even). -[[User:Ion frigate|Ion frigate]] 09:24, October 31, 2010 (UTC)
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 :I've considered the stoning apporach but I'd rather not. I've been throwing the potions of gain experience on my pets. which I thought would have the same affect (it does with extra and full healing) but has no affect. The reason I've been avoiding polying the dog "Ragnar" is he reverts to level 9 when he becomes a dog again. I'll hand my watch captain a amulet of life saving. One more question how does a humanoid determine what armour or weapons it will wield. I enchanted a silver sabre to +5 assuming she would wield it. She wielded it for a cou-ple levels and now has dropped it in favor of a regular long sword.
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 : You can try to {{kbd|a}}pply a new potion to test for [[oil]]. If you find an item on a monster's corpse and you [[death drop|did not kill it yourself]], name it something like "purple moninvent" because only a [[offensive item|small]] [[defensive item|subset]] [[misc item|of objects]] can be generated on monsters. [[Nymph]]s often carry [[object detection]]. That's about all you can say safely.
 : Using unknown scrolls and potions is a pretty bad idea. There are some outright dangerous ones, and generally it's a waste of resources. I recommend you learn [[price identification]]. There are [http://www.steelypips.org/nethack/shopping.html#real-tables pre-made price tables]. See also the [http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~damerell/games/nhid.html object identification spoiler]. --[[User:Tjr|Tjr]]

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		+	: You can try to {{kbd\|a}}pply a new potion to test for [[oil]]. If you find an item on a monster's corpse and you [[death drop\|did not kill it yourself]], name it something like "purple moninvent" because only a [[offensive item\|small]] [[defensive item\|subset]] [[misc item\|of objects]] can be generated on monsters. [[Nymph]]s often carry [[object detection]]. That's about all you can say safely.
		+	: Using unknown scrolls and potions is a pretty bad idea. There are some outright dangerous ones, and generally it's a waste of resources. I recommend you learn [[price identification]]. There are [http://www.steelypips.org/nethack/shopping.html#real-tables pre-made price tables]. See also the [http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~damerell/games/nhid.html object identification spoiler]. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]]

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	he will come back as whatever class he was. Based on alignment and plain cance he has a possiblity of being hostile or peaceful. Never tame. I am playing a Slashem game where I wished for a statute of one of my former players. I polymorphed him and then tamed him. Taing will nt work on humans unless they are polymorphed. He died while polymorphed and reverted to being a tame necromancer.		he will come back as whatever class he was. Based on alignment and plain cance he has a possiblity of being hostile or peaceful. Never tame. I am playing a Slashem game where I wished for a statute of one of my former players. I polymorphed him and then tamed him. Taing will nt work on humans unless they are polymorphed. He died while polymorphed and reverted to being a tame necromancer.
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		+	== Identifying Potions and Scrolls without Pricing ==
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		+	My current strategy for identifying items early on is just to quaff potions and read scrolls immediately. That way if they're detrimental I haven't lost much in the way of time or equipment, and if they're beneficial I have an early identification of them for later in the game. Obviously this method can be suicidal at times, and it doesn't always work. Potions in particular pose a problem, as not all of them can be quaff ID'd easily; I think there are like three of them that taste like slime mold juice.
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		+	The obvious solution would be to price ID them, but I've only been playing for about a week now, so I'm not experienced enough to do that just yet. So what methods should I use to identify these items as safely as possible, and as early as possible?
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		+	[[User:Henshin\|Henshin]] 21:53, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

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	:It would revive as a [[player monster]]. --[[User:Ilmari Karonen\|Ilmari Karonen]] 08:15, 18 November 2010 (UTC)		:It would revive as a [[player monster]]. --[[User:Ilmari Karonen\|Ilmari Karonen]] 08:15, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
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		+	he will come back as whatever class he was. Based on alignment and plain cance he has a possiblity of being hostile or peaceful. Never tame. I am playing a Slashem game where I wished for a statute of one of my former players. I polymorphed him and then tamed him. Taing will nt work on humans unless they are polymorphed. He died while polymorphed and reverted to being a tame necromancer.

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