NetHackWiki talk:Redirects - Revision history

Umbire the Phantom: reply

2024-06-27T11:28:11Z

Furey: How about this part of my proposal: "editors can add messages and message redirects whenever they think it will be useful, just as they can edit other information about NetHack."

2024-06-27T11:26:48Z

How about this part of my proposal: "editors can add messages and message redirects whenever they think it will be useful, just as they can edit other information about NetHack."

Umbire the Phantom: /* Proposal: no mandate, but let editors add messages and redirects whenever they think it will be useful. */ going forward, bit annoyed no one chimed in

2024-06-27T10:55:09Z

‎Proposal: no mandate, but let editors add messages and redirects whenever they think it will be useful.: going forward, bit annoyed no one chimed in

Umbire the Phantom: header + reply

2024-06-20T21:32:00Z

header + reply

Furey: /* Message redirects */ Proposal: no mandate, let editors ... make editorial decisions.

2024-06-20T21:28:51Z

‎Message redirects: Proposal: no mandate, let editors ... make editorial decisions.

Furey: /* Message redirects */ Reply

2024-06-19T01:39:46Z

‎Message redirects: Reply

Umbire the Phantom: /* Message redirects */ reply

2024-06-19T01:30:29Z

‎Message redirects: reply

Furey: /* Message redirects */ Reply

2024-06-19T01:10:20Z

‎Message redirects: Reply

Umbire the Phantom: messages

2024-06-19T00:59:47Z

messages

Paxed: fix the flow

2013-10-18T04:30:30Z

fix the flow

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	:::How about this part of my proposal: "editors can add messages and message redirects whenever they think it will be useful, just as they can edit other information about NetHack. However we do not have a project goal of complete message coverage." I proposed adding these words to this page (NetHack:Redirects), it's been six days, no opposition. Can I change this page now? [[User:Furey\|Furey]] ([[User talk:Furey\|talk]]) 11:26, 27 June 2024 (UTC)		:::How about this part of my proposal: "editors can add messages and message redirects whenever they think it will be useful, just as they can edit other information about NetHack. However we do not have a project goal of complete message coverage." I proposed adding these words to this page (NetHack:Redirects), it's been six days, no opposition. Can I change this page now? [[User:Furey\|Furey]] ([[User talk:Furey\|talk]]) 11:26, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
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		+	::I'll take care of that, don't worry. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 11:28, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

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	::No input, so I'll forward with this momentarily - want to make clear that Current Projects isn't a strict "mandate" where the wiki is concerned, in the sense that you and other editors are always free to question the necessity or scope of a given project, and conversely you and others are always free to suggest other projects that you believe to be vital but are not listed. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 10:55, 27 June 2024 (UTC)		::No input, so I'll forward with this momentarily - want to make clear that Current Projects isn't a strict "mandate" where the wiki is concerned, in the sense that you and other editors are always free to question the necessity or scope of a given project, and conversely you and others are always free to suggest other projects that you believe to be vital but are not listed. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 10:55, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
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		+	:::How about this part of my proposal: "editors can add messages and message redirects whenever they think it will be useful, just as they can edit other information about NetHack. However we do not have a project goal of complete message coverage." I proposed adding these words to this page (NetHack:Redirects), it's been six days, no opposition. Can I change this page now? [[User:Furey\|Furey]] ([[User talk:Furey\|talk]]) 11:26, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

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 ==Proposal: no mandate, but let editors add messages and redirects whenever they think it will be useful.==
 Just remove this page from the list at [[NetHackWiki:Current projects]]. Then rewrite this page. The new policy will be:
 * editors can add messages and message redirects whenever they think it will be useful, just as they can edit other information about NetHack. However we do not have a project goal of complete message coverage.
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 :Wouldn't mind this on a personal basis, but wanna see what other input there is. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom|talk]]) 21:31, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

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 :::As I said on #nethackwiki, I will abide by the official policy, whatever it is. You might want to edit Current Projects, as an admin, and say that this project is suspended pending discussion. Or you could leave it as is, it would be nice to get more message redirects and fix more redlinks while planning the new policy. [[User:Furey|Furey]] ([[User talk:Furey|talk]]) 01:39, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
-=Proposal: no mandate, but let editors add messages and redirects whenever they think it will be useful.=
+==Proposal: no mandate, but let editors add messages and redirects whenever they think it will be useful.==
 Just remove this page from the list at [[NetHackWiki:Current projects]]. Then rewrite this page. The new policy will be:
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 [[User:Furey|Furey]] ([[User talk:Furey|talk]]) 21:28, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

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	:::As I said on #nethackwiki, I will abide by the official policy, whatever it is. You might want to edit Current Projects, as an admin, and say that this project is suspended pending discussion. Or you could leave it as is, it would be nice to get more message redirects and fix more redlinks while planning the new policy. [[User:Furey\|Furey]] ([[User talk:Furey\|talk]]) 01:39, 19 June 2024 (UTC)		:::As I said on #nethackwiki, I will abide by the official policy, whatever it is. You might want to edit Current Projects, as an admin, and say that this project is suspended pending discussion. Or you could leave it as is, it would be nice to get more message redirects and fix more redlinks while planning the new policy. [[User:Furey\|Furey]] ([[User talk:Furey\|talk]]) 01:39, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
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		+	=Proposal: no mandate, but let editors add messages and redirects whenever they think it will be useful.=
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		+	Just remove this page from the list at [[NetHackWiki:Current projects]]. Then rewrite this page. The new policy will be:
		+	* editors can add messages and message redirects whenever they think it will be useful, just as they can edit other information about NetHack. However we do not have a project goal of complete message coverage.
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		+	If you want, move the former goal of complete message coverage into a "History" section.
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		+	So no one will mandated to add 50 messages to [[Door]] (as I was).
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		+	And, to be clear, "whenever they think it will be useful" includes editors fixing redlinks from Zuzak/Messages. Because fixing redlinks is useful in its own right, and we have no current policy that enables me to edit Zuzak/Messages.
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		+	Thoughts and votes?
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		+	[[User:Furey\|Furey]] ([[User talk:Furey\|talk]]) 21:28, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

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	::I really don't put much stock in the whole "psychology" thing in this very specific regard, but sure. The Projects page needs a rewrite at minimum, and ideally we can maybe get a hold of Zuzak as well as some "formal" input from [[User:Phol ende wodan\|Phol ende wodan]] (who provided the above rationale) while this is still up for discussion - which it's gonna be for a while, but it's still relatively "fresh" right now). --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 01:30, 19 June 2024 (UTC)		::I really don't put much stock in the whole "psychology" thing in this very specific regard, but sure. The Projects page needs a rewrite at minimum, and ideally we can maybe get a hold of Zuzak as well as some "formal" input from [[User:Phol ende wodan\|Phol ende wodan]] (who provided the above rationale) while this is still up for discussion - which it's gonna be for a while, but it's still relatively "fresh" right now). --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 01:30, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
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		+	:::As I said on #nethackwiki, I will abide by the official policy, whatever it is. You might want to edit Current Projects, as an admin, and say that this project is suspended pending discussion. Or you could leave it as is, it would be nice to get more message redirects and fix more redlinks while planning the new policy. [[User:Furey\|Furey]] ([[User talk:Furey\|talk]]) 01:39, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

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	: When I first saw Zuzak/Messages it gave me a hairball. Then I realized if I add redirects, <i>as requested by the official current projects page linked from the home page</i>, I could work on Problem 2. And then I remembered that [[Door]] has a huge number of messages and they are accurate for NetHack 3.6.7.		: When I first saw Zuzak/Messages it gave me a hairball. Then I realized if I add redirects, <i>as requested by the official current projects page linked from the home page</i>, I could work on Problem 2. And then I remembered that [[Door]] has a huge number of messages and they are accurate for NetHack 3.6.7.
	: I would not mind if someone changed "Current projects". In fact a total rewrite would be good. [[User:Furey\|Furey]] ([[User talk:Furey\|talk]]) 01:09, 19 June 2024 (UTC)		: I would not mind if someone changed "Current projects". In fact a total rewrite would be good. [[User:Furey\|Furey]] ([[User talk:Furey\|talk]]) 01:09, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
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		+	::I really don't put much stock in the whole "psychology" thing in this very specific regard, but sure. The Projects page needs a rewrite at minimum, and ideally we can maybe get a hold of Zuzak as well as some "formal" input from [[User:Phol ende wodan\|Phol ende wodan]] (who provided the above rationale) while this is still up for discussion - which it's gonna be for a while, but it's still relatively "fresh" right now). --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 01:30, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

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	==Message redirects==		==Message redirects==
	Since some of them have been deleted previously with the rationale that we don't need redirects for every ''single'' message in the game, and others are in the process of being established, I figured it would be worth hashing out a more formal "limit" or "boundary" on which message redirects are and aren't necessary, so that we can update the [[NetHackWiki:Current projects\|Current Projects]] page (which... hasn't been touched in a decade) to reflect it accordingly. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 00:59, 19 June 2024 (UTC)		Since some of them have been deleted previously with the rationale that we don't need redirects for every ''single'' message in the game, and others are in the process of being established, I figured it would be worth hashing out a more formal "limit" or "boundary" on which message redirects are and aren't necessary, so that we can update the [[NetHackWiki:Current projects\|Current Projects]] page (which... hasn't been touched in a decade) to reflect it accordingly. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 00:59, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
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		+	: Problem 1. The front page has several articles "How to help", "Current projects", no one is maintaining them. So this is good, now we are talking and may get a proposal and some consensus here, about changing one section of "Current projects". That's good. My goal is for those pages to describe work that the community actually wants to happen.
		+	: Problem 2. https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/User:Zuzak/Messages is dumping hundreds of redlinks into WantedPages. That makes it difficult for people to take WantedPages seriously, and psychologically gives them permission to keep submitting redlinks forever. (I'm not going for zero redlinks, my first goal is 1000 redlinks. We currently have about 5600 redlinks.)
		+	: When I first saw Zuzak/Messages it gave me a hairball. Then I realized if I add redirects, <i>as requested by the official current projects page linked from the home page</i>, I could work on Problem 2. And then I remembered that [[Door]] has a huge number of messages and they are accurate for NetHack 3.6.7.
		+	: I would not mind if someone changed "Current projects". In fact a total rewrite would be good. [[User:Furey\|Furey]] ([[User talk:Furey\|talk]]) 01:09, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

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 This is a great idea.  I had no idea how to do this before.  I'm learning so much!!![[User:Shmoo|Shmoo]] 02:07, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
 It would be nice for there to be a list of messages in which there are no redirects/not fully redirected. --[[User:ASnail|ASnail]] ([[User talk:ASnail|talk]]) 09:49, 17 October 2013 (UTC)[[User:ASnail] 17:48, 17/10/2013
 :Sorry, I don't quite understand what you mean. Can you clarify? --[[User:Tjr|Tjr]] ([[User talk:Tjr|talk]]) 19:51, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

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		+	This is a great idea. I had no idea how to do this before. I'm learning so much!!![[User:Shmoo\|Shmoo]] 02:07, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
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	It would be nice for there to be a list of messages in which there are no redirects/not fully redirected. --[[User:ASnail\|ASnail]] ([[User talk:ASnail\|talk]]) 09:49, 17 October 2013 (UTC)[[User:ASnail] 17:48, 17/10/2013		It would be nice for there to be a list of messages in which there are no redirects/not fully redirected. --[[User:ASnail\|ASnail]] ([[User talk:ASnail\|talk]]) 09:49, 17 October 2013 (UTC)[[User:ASnail] 17:48, 17/10/2013

−	~~: This is a great idea. I had no idea how to do this before. I'm learning so much!!![[User:Shmoo\|Shmoo]] 02:07, 23 January 2008 (UTC)~~	+	:Sorry, I don't quite understand what you mean. Can you clarify? --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] ([[User talk:Tjr\|talk]]) 19:51, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
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−	::Sorry, I don't quite understand what you mean. Can you clarify? --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] ([[User talk:Tjr\|talk]]) 19:51, 17 October 2013 (UTC)