Ogre (monster class) - Revision history

Umbire the Phantom: /* SlashTHEM */ follow-up

2025-05-26T21:28:42Z

‎SlashTHEM: follow-up

Joes: /* SlashTHEM */ old name

2025-05-26T20:20:34Z

‎SlashTHEM: old name

Umbire the Phantom: /* dNetHack */ all ogres are orcs

2025-03-04T20:13:29Z

‎dNetHack: all ogres are orcs

Umbire the Phantom: oop

2024-12-17T15:46:00Z

oop

Umbire the Phantom: pothole

2024-12-17T15:44:36Z

pothole

Umbire the Phantom: pothole

2024-12-17T14:29:50Z

pothole

Umbire the Phantom: /* Common traits */ copyedit

2024-12-17T13:42:16Z

‎Common traits: copyedit

Umbire the Phantom: /* Generation */ rewrite

2023-12-25T07:17:08Z

‎Generation: rewrite

Umbire the Phantom: origin

2023-08-04T21:57:42Z

origin

Umbire the Phantom: /* Strategy */ account for speed increase

2023-08-04T21:11:17Z

‎Strategy: account for speed increase

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 ===SlashTHEM===
 {{main|Ogre (starting race)}}
-[[SlashTHEM]] retains the new ogre monsters added in SLASH'EM and also features the ogre as a playable race, formerly called '''ogro''' in [[SLEX]].
+[[SlashTHEM]] retains the new ogre monsters added in SLASH'EM and also features the ogre as a playable race, formerly called the "ogro" in [[Slash'EM Extended]].
 ==Encyclopedia entry==

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 ===SlashTHEM===
 {{main|Ogre (starting race)}}
-[[SlashTHEM]] retains the new ogres added in SLASH'EM and also features the ogre as a playable race, formerly called the [[ogro]].
+[[SlashTHEM]] retains the new ogre monsters added in SLASH'EM and also features the ogre as a playable race, formerly called '''ogro''' in [[SLEX]].
 ==Encyclopedia entry==

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 ===dNetHack===
-[[dNetHack]] introduces a few new ogres to the monster class:
+[[dNetHack]], [[notdNetHack]] and [[notnotdNetHack]] introduce a few new monsters to the monster class:
 * {{monsymlink|ogre mage|variant=dNetHack}}
 * {{magenta|O}} [[ogre emperor]]
 * {{gray|O}} [[siege ogre]]
 ===EvilHack===

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 [[dNetHack]] introduces a few new ogres to the monster class:
-* {{monsym|ogre mage|variant=dNetHack}} [[ogre mage]]
+* {{monsymlink|ogre mage|variant=dNetHack}}
 * {{magenta|O}} [[ogre emperor]]
 * {{gray|O}} [[siege ogre]]

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 [[SLASH'EM]] adds two new ogres to the monster class:
-* {{monsymlink|ogre mage}}
+* {{monsymlink|ogre mage|variant=SLASH'EM}}
 * {{monsymlink|shadow ogre|variant=SLASH'EM}}

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 * {{monsymlink|ogre mage}}
-* {{monsymlink|shadow ogre}}
+* {{monsymlink|shadow ogre|variant=SLASH'EM}}
 Ogres were the second quest monster class for the defunct [[Gnome quest]], composing 3% of randomly generated monsters in the branch. Random ogres were also generated on the levels between the home and goal floor of the branch at level creation: one on the upper filler level, seven on the locate level, and five on the lower filler level(s). A random ogre was also generated on the locate level of the defunct [[Hobbit quest]].

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 ==Common traits==
-All ogres are [[chaotic]], and may generate as peaceful towards chaotic player characters. They are large, [[carnivorous]] [[humanoid]]s that can wield weapons and wear non-torso armor, and possess a single weapon attack. Ogres are [[gold lover]]s and will pick up [[gold]] and [[gem]]s along with various other items.
+All ogres are [[chaotic]] monsters: they are large, [[carnivorous]] [[humanoid]]s that have [[infravision]] and can be seen via infravision. They can wield weapons and wear non-torso armor, and possess a single weapon attack. Ogres are [[gold lover]]s and will pick up [[gold]] and [[gem]]s along with various other items.
 Stronger ogre monsters have a proportionally higher attack die, faster movement speed, and higher [[Magic resistance (monster)|MR score]]; the ogre king notably has slightly worse AC compared to the ogre lord.
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 ===Generation===
 Ogres [[Monster starting inventory|are generated with]] some gold and either a [[club]] or a [[battle-axe]], and stronger ogres are more likely to generate with battle-axes.{{refsrc|src/makemon.c|433|version=NetHack 3.6.7}}
-Ogres are the first [[quest]] monster class for [[Barbarian]]s, and make up {{frac|24|175}} of the monsters that are randomly generated on the [[Barbarian quest]]. Random ogres are also generated on each level of the quest beyond the home floor at level creation: one each on the upper filler level, locate level and lower filler level(s), and two on the goal level. Various ogres may also be generated in the [[Castle]]'s [[throne room]].
+The ogre is the first [[quest]] monster class for [[Barbarian]]s, and makes up {{frac|24|175}} of the monsters that are randomly generated on the [[Barbarian quest]]. Random ogres are also generated on each level of the quest beyond the home floor at level creation: one each on the upper filler level, locate level and lower filler level(s), and two on the goal level. Various ogres may also be generated in the [[Castle]]'s [[throne room]].
 ==Strategy==

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	From [[NetHack 3.1.0]] to [[NetHack 3.2.3]], ogres were the second quest monster class for the [[Elf quest]], composing 3% of randomly generated monsters in the branch. One random ogre was generated on the locate level of the branch at level creation, and another random ogre was similarly generated on the goal level.		From [[NetHack 3.1.0]] to [[NetHack 3.2.3]], ogres were the second quest monster class for the [[Elf quest]], composing 3% of randomly generated monsters in the branch. One random ogre was generated on the locate level of the branch at level creation, and another random ogre was similarly generated on the goal level.
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		+	==Origin==
		+	{{wikipedia\|Ogre}}
		+	An ogre (feminine: ogress) is a legendary monster depicted as a large, hideous humanoid being that eats ordinary humans, especially infants and children. Ogres frequently feature in mythology, folklore, literature, and fiction throughout the world, and are most often associated with fairy tales and legend. Ogres are also sometimes depicted with disproportionately large heads, abundant hair, unusually-colored skin, a voracious appetite, and a strong body. Tales featuring well-known ogres include in "[[wikipedia:Puss in Boots\|Puss in Boots]]" and "[[wikipedia:Hop-o'-My-Thumb\|Hop-o'-My-Thumb]]".
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		+	Ogres are closely linked with giants and with human cannibals in mythology; giants in both folklore and fiction are often given ogrish traits (e.g. the giants in "Jack and the Beanstalk" and "Jack the Giant Killer", the Giant Despair in The Pilgrim's Progress, and the Jötunn of Norse mythology), while ogres may be given giant-like traits. Ogres also appear in the ''[[Dungeons & Dragons]]'' role-playing game as large, powerful humanoids with slightly below average intelligence, and have occasionally featured as playable characters.
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		+	The ogres of ''NetHack'' derive their stats from the 1st Edition ''Dungeons & Dragons'' Monster Manual, which describes ogres as ugly-tempered, voracious and fond of treasure. They can be found in virtually any terrain, including subterranean areas, and usually serve as mercenaries for orcs, gnolls and/or evil clerics. Ogres also freely dwell near the territories of trolls and some giants, and are sometimes enslaved by demons. Ogres range from "dull blackish-brawn to dead yellow" in color, and wear any sort of skins or furs; they are said to care well for their weapons and armor, despite the slovenly traits associated with them and other folkloric ogres.

	==Variants==		==Variants==

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 ==Strategy==
-Ogres are quite strong, but generally slow and can easily be picked off from a distance, especially with [[projectile]] weapons. Characters that lack the AC and/or weaponry to best ogres in melee may usually prefer this latter approach, but beware that they can generate with offensive wands and other inconvenient items to use against you - ogre lords and kings in particular are eligible for a [[wand of death]]. This also makes ogres a good source of loot if you can dispatch them quickly and with little trouble, and their [[corpse]]s are quite filling as well at a range of 500-750 base [[nutrition]].
+Ogres are quite strong, but can usually be picked off from a distance, especially with [[projectile]] weapons. Characters that lack the AC and/or weaponry to best ogres in melee may usually prefer this latter approach, but beware that they can generate with offensive wands and other inconvenient items to use against you - ogre lords and kings in particular are also as fast as [[you]] are at base speed (or faster in the case of kings). This also makes ogres a good source of loot if you can dispatch them quickly and with little trouble, and their [[corpse]]s are quite filling as well at a range of 500-750 base [[nutrition]].
-The frequency of ogres with wands may warrant a source of [[reflection]] for [[Barbarian]]s on their quest, unless they have the means required to tank or resist wand attacks and protect their inventory.
+The frequency of ogres with wands may warrant a source of [[reflection]] for [[Barbarian]]s on their quest, unless they have the means required to tank or resist wand attacks and protect their inventory; ogre lords and kings are also eligible for a rare [[wand of death]].
 ==History==