Pudding farming - Revision history

Umbire the Phantom: copyedit for slash'em

2024-09-10T21:27:02Z

copyedit for slash'em

Loggers: bad question mark

2023-05-01T15:38:52Z

bad question mark

Aximili: Change category

2021-05-21T14:40:14Z

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Umbire the Phantom: /* Intention of the DevTeam? */

2020-11-30T13:32:31Z

‎Intention of the DevTeam?

Netzhack: /* SLASH'EM */ "chance to" = opportunity; "chance of" = probability

2016-12-27T12:00:20Z

‎SLASH'EM: "chance to" = opportunity; "chance of" = probability

Wingedcatgirl: obsolete tactic = noversion tag?

2016-11-19T22:33:14Z

obsolete tactic = noversion tag?

ChasonBot at 19:38, 20 December 2015

2015-12-20T19:38:08Z

Quantum Immortal: cat history, clarify the lead

2015-12-13T02:51:14Z

cat history, clarify the lead

Quietust: pudding farming is now dead, largely thanks to G_NOCORPSE

2015-12-11T14:19:06Z

pudding farming is now dead, largely thanks to G_NOCORPSE

116.14.195.130: /* SLASH'EM */

2015-11-13T12:51:16Z

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 ==Variants==
 ===SLASH'EM===
-Pudding farming in [[SLASH'EM]] is a lot less productive than in [[Vanilla]], reducing its use and/or scumming ability greatly.
+Pudding farming in [[SLASH'EM]] is a lot less productive than in ''NetHack'', reducing its use and/or scumming ability greatly: monsters without hands, including puddings, never [[death drop]] items, though their corpses can still be used for resistances, sacrifice gifts and prayer rewards. Brown puddings are a viable alternative as a result, since they are considerably safer and provide the same benefits; however, they do not always drop corpses and have a lower chance of granting intrinsics. Also note that your god will often send you [[minion]]s: you must deal with those, or else have your entire crop of pudding killed (tip: put on a [[ring of aggravate monster]] and hit it with your Puddingbane until it untames).
-Remember that in SLASH'EM, corpses will sometimes be [[Mold_(SLASH'EM) | overgrown by molds]], including lichens.
+Remember that in SLASH'EM, corpses will sometimes be overgrown by [[mold]]s, including [[lichen]]s - after you've farmed all you want for resistances and sacrifice gifts, you may continue farming for a non-rotting food supply.
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 ** Other monsters may be hard to kill with Puddingbane, or detrimental to attack and/or sacrifice.
-== Intention of the DevTeam? ==
+== Intention of the DevTeam ==
 Some in [[RGRN]] have requested that the [[DevTeam]] put some cap against the process of pudding farming. There are a few different ways that this might be done, e.g. the RGRN thread [http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.roguelike.nethack/browse_thread/thread/4ebb477fef5bf125/e74745a9af206bd8 "Is NetHack too easy? (spoilers)"] from January 2006. Ideas included having puddings become more powerful as you kill them, preventing cloned puddings from dropping corpses and items, and forcing pudding division to count for [[extinction]].

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 == Intention of the DevTeam? ==
-Some in [[RGRN]] have requested that the [[DevTeam]] put some cap against the process of pudding farming. There are a few different ways that this might be done; for example the RGRN thread [http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.roguelike.nethack/browse_thread/thread/4ebb477fef5bf125/e74745a9af206bd8 Is NetHack too easy? (spoilers)] from January 2006. Ideas included having puddings become more powerful as you kill them, preventing cloned puddings from dropping corpses and items, and forcing pudding division to count for [[extinction]].
+Some in [[RGRN]] have requested that the [[DevTeam]] put some cap against the process of pudding farming. There are a few different ways that this might be done, e.g. the RGRN thread [http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.roguelike.nethack/browse_thread/thread/4ebb477fef5bf125/e74745a9af206bd8 "Is NetHack too easy? (spoilers)"] from January 2006. Ideas included having puddings become more powerful as you kill them, preventing cloned puddings from dropping corpses and items, and forcing pudding division to count for [[extinction]].
-Pudding farming is not a modern invention; [http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.hack/msg/38f2dc4baccaf39a this post from 1993] talks about farming brown puddings. Several NetHack versions later, the game still allows pudding farms.
+Pudding farming is not a modern invention; [http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.hack/msg/38f2dc4baccaf39a this post from 1993] talks about farming brown puddings. In October 16, 2006, the Shrewd Dude posted a guide, [http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.roguelike.nethack/msg/28f706a4236961c5?pli=1 How to Raise the Perfect Pudding]. In 13 years, players have invented many strategies for more effective pudding farms, but they have also become bored. Jove stated in reply, ''"The DevTeam has arranged an automatic and savage punishment for pudding farming. It's called pudding farming."''
 In Nethack 3.6.0, the [[DevTeam]] made several changes which rendered pudding farming completely ineffective - puddings no longer drop corpses at all (and thus cannot drop items either), and cloned puddings give significantly fewer points.

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 Pudding farming in [[SLASH'EM]] is a lot less productive than in [[Vanilla]], reducing its use and/or scumming ability greatly.
 First, the puddings will never drop items{{refsrc|mon.c|2095|version=SLASH'EM 0.0.7E7F2|comment=Strangely enough, all monsters with no hands will never have death drops in SLASH'EM}}, so they can only be used for their corpses.  Getting resistances, sacrifice gifts and prayer rewards is still a big help, however.
-Thus, brown puddings are actually a viable alternative to their black cousins, since they are considerably safer, and provide the same benefits.  A brown pudding farm will require more puddings to provide these, however, since they do not always drop corpses and have a lower chance to grant intrinsics.  Also note that your god will often send you [[minion]]s: you must deal with those, or else have your entire crop of pudding killed (tip: put on a [[ring of aggravate monster]] and hit it with your Puddingbane until it untames).  Thus, while it might be useful for sacrifice gifts and resistances, pudding farming is no longer potentially game-breaking, as it is in vanilla.
+Thus, brown puddings are actually a viable alternative to their black cousins, since they are considerably safer, and provide the same benefits.  A brown pudding farm will require more puddings to provide these, however, since they do not always drop corpses and have a lower chance of granting intrinsics.  Also note that your god will often send you [[minion]]s: you must deal with those, or else have your entire crop of pudding killed (tip: put on a [[ring of aggravate monster]] and hit it with your Puddingbane until it untames).  Thus, while it might be useful for sacrifice gifts and resistances, pudding farming is no longer potentially game-breaking, as it is in vanilla.
 Remember that in SLASH'EM, corpses will sometimes be [[Mold_(SLASH'EM) | overgrown by molds]], including lichens.

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 [[Image:Farm.png|thumb|right|350px|Example of a [[brown pudding|pudding]] farm in [[Minetown]].]]
-As of Nethack 3.6.0, pudding farming is no longer an effective strategy, as nearly all of its benefits have been eliminated.
+'''Pudding farming''' was a farming strategy prior to [[NetHack 3.6.0]]. It is no longer an effective strategy, as nearly all of its benefits have been eliminated.
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