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Umbire the Phantom: copyedit

2026-04-20T00:25:16Z

copyedit

Umbire the Phantom: /* Starting equipment */ potholes

2025-10-23T03:04:37Z

‎Starting equipment: potholes

Umbire the Phantom: some copyedit

2025-09-09T12:15:33Z

some copyedit

Umbire the Phantom: potholes

2025-08-28T05:50:39Z

potholes

Umbire the Phantom: roles

2025-07-10T11:19:37Z

roles

Umbire the Phantom: potholes

2025-05-10T06:14:08Z

potholes

Umbire the Phantom: thanks again Ion, following up - group issues with bullet start, follow with stacking daggers, mention startscums last; mention speed system for avoiding poison deaths; overall detailing; move overkill strats to late game where demon princes show up...

2024-11-09T07:01:03Z

thanks again Ion, following up - group issues with bullet start, follow with stacking daggers, mention startscums last; mention speed system for avoiding poison deaths; overall detailing; move overkill strats to late game where demon princes show up...

Ion frigate: twoweaponing firearms, aka overkill; not sure it's really worth mentioning that dark elven daggers don't randomly generate (they're functionally identical to elven ones)

2024-11-08T06:05:30Z

twoweaponing firearms, aka overkill; not sure it's really worth mentioning that dark elven daggers don't randomly generate (they're functionally identical to elven ones)

Ion frigate: wording

2024-11-08T06:01:27Z

wording

Ion frigate: great daggers, fort ludios, some rearranging

2024-11-08T06:01:09Z

great daggers, fort ludios, some rearranging

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 Orcish Rogues receive an [[orcish short sword]] in place of a short sword, a set of [[orcish dagger]]s in place of regular daggers, and are given two additional stacks of 1-2 random [[comestible]]s.{{refsrc|u_init.c|1373|version=SLASH'EM 0.0.7E7F2|comment=non-caster orcs get extra food}}
-Rogues have a {{frac|100}} chance of their primary weapon and projectiles being generated as [[poisoned]].{{refsrc|u_init.c|1602|version=SLASH'EM 0.0.7E7F2|comment=non-chaotic heroes never start with poisoned weapons}}
+Rogues have a {{frac|100}} chance of their primary weapon and projectiles being generated as [[Poisoned weapon|poisoned]].{{refsrc|u_init.c|1602|version=SLASH'EM 0.0.7E7F2|comment=non-chaotic heroes never start with poisoned weapons}}
 Rogues start with knowledge of the [[oilskin sack]] and any applicable racial equipment.{{refsrc|u_init.c|1185|version=SLASH'EM 0.0.7E7F2}}
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 Rogues that start with daggers and darts are far stronger in the early game than those that start with a pistol: bullets are consumed rapidly, [[mulch]]ing on both hits and misses, so pistol-wielding Rogues must rely on their short sword as their primary source of damage. Furthermore, the pistol's damage is unreliable and lower than one might expect, as unenchanted bullets are highly variable in damage output&mdash;barring lucky finds in [[shop]]s, they will often run out of ammo long before they can [[multishot]] with their pistol, and are better off with the standard Rogue strategy of building and curating a stack of daggers. Players not averse to [[metastrategy]] might consider [[start scumming]] for darts and daggers in the starting inventory.
-Rogues that start with daggers and darts will want to immediately poison one of their projectile stacks using the starting [[potion of sickness]]; daggers can be poisoned in SLASH'EM and are usually the better choice, since they do not mulch and are more reliable as a primary damage source. Rogues that do not start with [[poison resistance]] will want to be careful of monsters throwing their poisoned daggers back at them, but most early weapon-throwing monsters are slow enough that a diligent Rogue can take advantage of the [[speed]] system (which functions as in [[NetHack 3.4.3]]) to out-maneuver and finish them off in time. The darts can be useful to take out monsters with passive [[erosion]] attacks such as [[green mold]]s and [[acid blob]]s, but are fairly weak overall.
+Rogues that start with daggers and darts will want to immediately poison one of their projectile stacks using the starting [[potion of sickness]]. Daggers can be poisoned in SLASH'EM and are usually the better choice, since they do not mulch and are more reliable as a primary damage source&mdash;Rogues that do not start with [[poison resistance]] or find an early source of the property will want to be careful of monsters throwing their poisoned daggers back at them. Fortunately, most early weapon-throwing monsters are slow enough for a diligent Rogue to use the [[speed]] system (which functions as in [[NetHack 3.4.3]]) to their advantage, generally by out-maneuvering them and finishing them off before they can get another turn. The darts can be useful to take out monsters with passive [[erosion]] attacks such as [[green mold]]s and [[acid blob]]s, but are fairly weak overall.
 All non-[[atheist]] Rogues will generally want to find an [[altar]] as soon as possible and sacrifice for the [[Bat from Hell (SLASH'EM)|Bat from Hell]], which is the strongest single weapon available. Rogues planning to [[twoweapon]] may want to continue sacrificing for another [[artifact]], since SLASH'EM allows a twoweaponing hero to wield an artifact in the off hand; the best artifact candidates available for them are [[Serpent's Tongue]], [[Doomblade]], [[Fire Brand]], and [[Frost Brand]]. A fortunate Rogue who finds an early [[wish]] and has the [[HP]] to survive the stronger [[artifact blast]]s of SLASH'EM may also consider the [[Necromancer]] [[quest artifact]] [[The Great Dagger of Glaurgnaa]], which grants slotless [[magic resistance]] while carried and can drain levels from monsters on each hit.

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 * +1 [[leather armor]]
 * uncursed [[potion of sickness]]
-* 4 blessed scrolls of [[gold detection]]
+* 4 blessed [[scrolls of gold detection]]
-* 4 blessed scrolls of [[teleportation]]
+* 4 blessed [[scrolls of teleportation]]
 * [[lock pick]]
 * [[oilskin sack]]

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 ===Mid-game===
-Since backstab damage works as it does in NetHack 3.4.3, players may opt for their Rogue to use a [[shield]] as is commonly done in that version, relying on their dagger skill and primary weapon to make the most of it; lycanthrope and doppelganger Rogues will likely default to this due to their inability to twoweapon. Non-lycanthrope Rogues will get a lot of mileage from a [[shield of reflection]], while lycanthrope Rogues and others that have reflection accounted for will prefer the [[elven shield]] or even a [[small shield]]. Unlike ''NetHack'', twoweaponing in SLASH'EM is also a more attractive option in its own right: Rogues can pair the Bat from Hell with Doomblade as mentioned previously, and can also use other artifacts such as Serpent's Tongue and [[Stormbringer]] in the off-hand, or even strong non-artifact weapons such as a [[silver saber]], [[silver long sword]] or [[crysknife]].
+Since backstab damage works as it does in NetHack 3.4.3, players may opt for their Rogue to use a [[shield]] as is commonly done in that version, relying on their dagger skill and primary weapon to make the most of it; lycanthrope and doppelganger Rogues will likely default to this due to their inability to twoweapon. Non-lycanthrope Rogues will get a lot of mileage from a [[shield of reflection]], while lycanthrope Rogues and others that have reflection accounted for will prefer the [[elven shield]] or even a [[small shield]].
-The [[assault rifle]] is one of the best firearms for a hero: it can be retrieved from the Castle [[barracks]] with some difficulty, and uses bullets like most other firearms; Rogues are also one of two roles that can achieve Expert in firearms, which gives a chance of up to two extra shots fired per round. As barracks do not randomly generate in SLASH'EM, Rogues may want to raid [[Fort Ludios]] for ammunition. [[Elven dagger]]s and [[dark elven dagger]]s are made easy to amass for Rogues by [[upgrading]] normal daggers and orcish daggers. However, do ''not'' further upgrade them to [[great dagger]]s, as they will no longer [[stack]] and stacks of great daggers made by upgrading cannot be re-merged once thrown.
+Unlike ''NetHack'', twoweaponing in SLASH'EM is also a more attractive option in its own right: Rogues can pair the Bat from Hell with Doomblade as mentioned previously, and can also use other artifacts such as Serpent's Tongue and [[Stormbringer]] in the off-hand, or even strong non-artifact weapons such as a [[silver saber]], [[silver long sword]] or [[crysknife]].
 ===Late game===
 {{todo|Does having skilled or expert in firearms give extra damage per hit?}}
-Rogues that reach the late game should have their Bat from Hell, assault rifle bullets and daggers all well-enchanted: those willing to devote the time and resources can [[reverse genocide]] for [[gypsies]] and wish for a few stacks of [[silver dagger]]s to use in [[Gehennom]]: [[storm]]s of +7 'backstabbed' silver daggers are extremely powerful weapons against the [[demon lords and princes]], all of whom are mandatory encounters in SLASH'EM, and render a Rogue nigh-unstoppable in the end game when utilized alongside the Bat from Hell and rifle.
+Rogues that reach the late game should have their Bat from Hell, assault rifle bullets and daggers all well-enchanted. Those willing to devote the time and resources can [[reverse genocide]] for [[gypsies]] and wish for a few stacks of [[silver dagger]]s to use in [[Gehennom]]: [[storm]]s of +7 'backstabbed' silver daggers are extremely powerful weapons against the [[demon lords and princes]], all of whom are mandatory encounters in SLASH'EM, and render a Rogue nigh-unstoppable in the end game when utilized alongside the Bat from Hell and rifle.
-A rogue with Expert in firearms that fires +7 bullets from an assault rifle will fire 5-9 shots per round (average 7) and do 1d20 + 7 damage per hit (average 17.5), for an incredible average of 122.5 damage per round: using [[Silver bullet (SLASH'EM)|silver bullets]] for special occasions (like the aforementioned demon rulers) adds an additional 73.5 average damage. Rogues capable of twoweaponing can wield two assault rifles simultaneously and deal upwards of 200 or more damage with well-enchanted bullets&mdash;this can easily wipe out high-level [[covetous]] monsters such as [[demon prince]]s and [[arch-lich]]es before they get a chance to warp away.
+A rogue with Expert in firearms that fires +7 bullets from an assault rifle will fire 5-9 shots per round (average 7) and do 1d20 + 7 damage per hit (average 17.5), for an incredible average of 122.5 damage per round: using [[Silver bullet (SLASH'EM)|silver bullets]] for special occasions (like the aforementioned demon rulers) adds an additional 73.5 average damage. Rogues capable of twoweaponing can wield two assault rifles simultaneously and deal upwards of 200 or more damage with well-enchanted bullets&mdash;this can easily wipe out demon rulers and other high-level [[covetous]] monsters such as [[arch-lich]]es before they get a chance to warp away.
 A good [[ascension kit]] for a Rogue is:

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 * one of the following sets of ranged weapons:
 ** 6-15 +0 uncursed [[dagger]]s and 25-34 +0 [[darts]] ({{frac|7|10}} chance or 70%), otherwise;{{refsrc|u_init.c|1168|version=SLASH'EM 0.0.7E7F2}}
-** +0 uncursed [[pistol]] and 25-34 +0 [[bullet]]s{{refsrc|u_init.c|1172|version=SLASH'EM 0.0.7E7F2}}
+** +0 uncursed [[Pistol (SLASH'EM)|pistol]] and 25-34 +0 [[Bullet (SLASH'EM)|bullets]]{{refsrc|u_init.c|1172|version=SLASH'EM 0.0.7E7F2}}
 * +1 [[leather armor]]
 * uncursed [[potion of sickness]]
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 Since backstab damage works as it does in NetHack 3.4.3, players may opt for their Rogue to use a [[shield]] as is commonly done in that version, relying on their dagger skill and primary weapon to make the most of it; lycanthrope and doppelganger Rogues will likely default to this due to their inability to twoweapon. Non-lycanthrope Rogues will get a lot of mileage from a [[shield of reflection]], while lycanthrope Rogues and others that have reflection accounted for will prefer the [[elven shield]] or even a [[small shield]]. Unlike ''NetHack'', twoweaponing in SLASH'EM is also a more attractive option in its own right: Rogues can pair the Bat from Hell with Doomblade as mentioned previously, and can also use other artifacts such as Serpent's Tongue and [[Stormbringer]] in the off-hand, or even strong non-artifact weapons such as a [[silver saber]], [[silver long sword]] or [[crysknife]].
-The [[assault rifle]] is one of the best firearms for a hero: it can be retrieved from the Castle [[barracks]] with some difficulty, and uses [[bullet]]s like most other firearms; Rogues are also one of two roles that can achieve Expert in firearms, which gives a chance of up to two extra shots fired per round. As barracks do not randomly generate in SLASH'EM, Rogues may want to raid [[Fort Ludios]] for ammunition. [[Elven dagger]]s and [[dark elven dagger]]s are made easy to amass for Rogues by [[upgrading]] normal daggers and orcish daggers. However, do ''not'' further upgrade them to [[great dagger]]s, as they will no longer [[stack]] and stacks of great daggers made by upgrading cannot be re-merged once thrown.
+The [[assault rifle]] is one of the best firearms for a hero: it can be retrieved from the Castle [[barracks]] with some difficulty, and uses bullets like most other firearms; Rogues are also one of two roles that can achieve Expert in firearms, which gives a chance of up to two extra shots fired per round. As barracks do not randomly generate in SLASH'EM, Rogues may want to raid [[Fort Ludios]] for ammunition. [[Elven dagger]]s and [[dark elven dagger]]s are made easy to amass for Rogues by [[upgrading]] normal daggers and orcish daggers. However, do ''not'' further upgrade them to [[great dagger]]s, as they will no longer [[stack]] and stacks of great daggers made by upgrading cannot be re-merged once thrown.
 ===Late game===
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 Rogues that reach the late game should have their Bat from Hell, assault rifle bullets and daggers all well-enchanted: those willing to devote the time and resources can [[reverse genocide]] for [[gypsies]] and wish for a few stacks of [[silver dagger]]s to use in [[Gehennom]]: [[storm]]s of +7 'backstabbed' silver daggers are extremely powerful weapons against the [[demon lords and princes]], all of whom are mandatory encounters in SLASH'EM, and render a Rogue nigh-unstoppable in the end game when utilized alongside the Bat from Hell and rifle.
-A rogue with Expert in firearms that fires +7 bullets from an assault rifle will fire 5-9 shots per round (average 7) and do 1d20 + 7 damage per hit (average 17.5), for an incredible average of 122.5 damage per round: using [[silver bullet]]s for special occasions (like the aforementioned demon rulers) adds an additional 73.5 average damage. Rogues capable of twoweaponing can wield two assault rifles simultaneously and deal upwards of 200 or more damage with well-enchanted bullets&mdash;this can easily wipe out high-level [[covetous]] monsters such as [[demon prince]]s and [[arch-lich]]es before they get a chance to warp away.
+A rogue with Expert in firearms that fires +7 bullets from an assault rifle will fire 5-9 shots per round (average 7) and do 1d20 + 7 damage per hit (average 17.5), for an incredible average of 122.5 damage per round: using [[Silver bullet (SLASH'EM)|silver bullets]] for special occasions (like the aforementioned demon rulers) adds an additional 73.5 average damage. Rogues capable of twoweaponing can wield two assault rifles simultaneously and deal upwards of 200 or more damage with well-enchanted bullets&mdash;this can easily wipe out high-level [[covetous]] monsters such as [[demon prince]]s and [[arch-lich]]es before they get a chance to warp away.
 A good [[ascension kit]] for a Rogue is:

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	In [[SLASH'EM]], the '''Rogue''', abbreviated as '''Rog''', is one of the [[role]]s from ''[[NetHack]]'' that is available to the [[hero]].		In [[SLASH'EM]], the '''Rogue''', abbreviated as '''Rog''', is one of the [[role]]s from ''[[NetHack]]'' that is available to the [[hero]].

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 ==Gods==
 {{main|Religion}}
-The Rogue pantheon is based on the Newhon pantheon of [[Fritz Leiber]]'s ''[[Wikipedia:Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser|Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser]]''.{{refsrc|role.c|332|version=SLASH'EM 0.0.7E7F2}} Their guaranteed first [[sacrifice gift]] is the [[Bat from Hell]].{{refsrc|artilist.h|254|version=SLASH'EM 0.0.7E7F2}}
+The Rogue pantheon is based on the Newhon pantheon of [[Fritz Leiber]]'s ''[[Wikipedia:Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser|Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser]]''.{{refsrc|role.c|332|version=SLASH'EM 0.0.7E7F2}} Their guaranteed first [[sacrifice gift]] is the [[Bat from Hell (SLASH'EM)|Bat from Hell]].{{refsrc|artilist.h|254|version=SLASH'EM 0.0.7E7F2}}
 * Lawful: [[Issek]]
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 Rogues that start with daggers and darts will want to immediately poison one of their projectile stacks using the starting [[potion of sickness]]; daggers can be poisoned in SLASH'EM and are usually the better choice, since they do not mulch and are more reliable as a primary damage source. Rogues that do not start with [[poison resistance]] will want to be careful of monsters throwing their poisoned daggers back at them, but most early weapon-throwing monsters are slow enough that a diligent Rogue can take advantage of the [[speed]] system (which functions as in [[NetHack 3.4.3]]) to out-maneuver and finish them off in time. The darts can be useful to take out monsters with passive [[erosion]] attacks such as [[green mold]]s and [[acid blob]]s, but are fairly weak overall.
-All non-[[atheist]] Rogues will want to find an [[altar]] as soon as possible and sacrifice for the [[Bat from Hell]], which is the strongest single weapon available. Rogues planning to [[twoweapon]] may want to continue sacrificing for another [[artifact]], since SLASH'EM allows a twoweaponing hero to wield an artifact in the off hand; the best artifact candidates available for them are [[Serpent's Tongue]], [[Doomblade]], [[Fire Brand]], and [[Frost Brand]]. A fortunate Rogue who finds an early [[wish]] and has the [[HP]] to survive the stronger [[artifact blast]]s of SLASH'EM may also consider the [[Necromancer]] [[quest artifact]] [[The Great Dagger of Glaurgnaa]], which grants slotless [[magic resistance]] while carried and can drain levels from monsters on each hit.
+All non-[[atheist]] Rogues will generally want to find an [[altar]] as soon as possible and sacrifice for the [[Bat from Hell (SLASH'EM)|Bat from Hell]], which is the strongest single weapon available. Rogues planning to [[twoweapon]] may want to continue sacrificing for another [[artifact]], since SLASH'EM allows a twoweaponing hero to wield an artifact in the off hand; the best artifact candidates available for them are [[Serpent's Tongue]], [[Doomblade]], [[Fire Brand]], and [[Frost Brand]]. A fortunate Rogue who finds an early [[wish]] and has the [[HP]] to survive the stronger [[artifact blast]]s of SLASH'EM may also consider the [[Necromancer]] [[quest artifact]] [[The Great Dagger of Glaurgnaa]], which grants slotless [[magic resistance]] while carried and can drain levels from monsters on each hit.
 The Rogue's starting gold can be used to buy decent equipment in early shops, including [[Minetown]] and the [[Mall]] (though Rogues are charged twice as much), and can also be used to attempt a [[protection racket]]: the [[Gnomish Mines]] are guaranteed to have several hostile monsters regardless of the hero's race, so Rogues are not as poorly-positioned for it as they would be in ''NetHack''. The Mines also remain a plentiful source of daggers as well, and both [[Elbereth]] and [[backstab]]s function as in NetHack 3.4.3, making it very easy to [[scare]] monsters and rack up damage at range. The starting blessed [[scrolls of teleportation]] are particularly useful for escaping tough situations, since they provide controlled teleportation in SLASH'EM.
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 * a stash of +7 bullets (optionally including silver bullets)
 * For twoweaponing Rogues:
-** +7 [[Bat from Hell]] (primary weapon)
+** +7 [[Bat from Hell (SLASH'EM)|Bat from Hell]] (primary weapon)
 ** +7 [[Doomblade]], +7 [[Serpent's Tongue]], +7 [[Frost Brand]], or +7 [[Fire Brand]] (off-hand weapon)
 ** +7 [[Stormbringer]] (primary weapon for drain resistance)
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 ** an [[amulet]] of {{" of|life saving|drain resistance|or=1|flying}}
 * For other Rogues:
-** +7 [[Bat from Hell]]
+** +7 [[Bat from Hell (SLASH'EM)|Bat from Hell]]
 ** +5 [[shield of reflection]]
 ** +5 [[deep dragon scale mail]]

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 Since backstab damage works as it does in NetHack 3.4.3, players may opt for their Rogue to use a [[shield]] as is commonly done in that version, relying on their dagger skill and primary weapon to make the most of it; lycanthrope and doppelganger Rogues will likely default to this due to their inability to twoweapon. Non-lycanthrope Rogues will get a lot of mileage from a [[shield of reflection]], while lycanthrope Rogues and others that have reflection accounted for will prefer the [[elven shield]] or even [[small shield]]. Unlike ''NetHack'', twoweaponing in SLASH'EM is also a more attractive option in its own right: Rogues can pair the Bat from Hell with Doomblade as mentioned previously, and can also use other artifacts such as [[Serpent's Tongue]] and [[Stormbringer]] in the off-hand, or even strong non-artifact weapons such as a [[silver saber]], [[silver long sword]] or [[crysknife]].
-The [[assault rifle]] is one of the best firearms for a hero: it can be retrieved from the Castle [[barracks]] with some difficulty, and uses the common [[bullet]] for more ammunition.  As barracks do not randomly generate, Rogues may want to raid [[Fort Ludios]] for ammunition. Rogues are one of two roles that can achieve Expert in firearms, which gives a chance of up to two extra shots fired per round. [[Elven dagger]]s and [[dark elven dagger]]s are made easy to amass for Rogues by [[upgrading]] normal daggers, especially since the latter do not randomly generate.  However, do ''not'' further upgrade them to [[great dagger]]s: they will no longer [[stack]], and an upgraded stack will not "re-stack" as its great daggers are thrown.
+The [[assault rifle]] is one of the best firearms for a hero: it can be retrieved from the Castle [[barracks]] with some difficulty, and uses the common [[bullet]] for more ammunition.  As barracks do not randomly generate, Rogues may want to raid [[Fort Ludios]] for ammunition. Rogues are one of two roles that can achieve Expert in firearms, which gives a chance of up to two extra shots fired per round.  Rogues capable of #twoweaponing can wield two assault rifles simultaneously; with well-enchanted bullets, this can easily provide 200+ damage per turn, wiping out high level [[covetous]] monsters such as [[demon prince]]s and [[arch-lich]]es before they get a chance to warp away.
 ===Late game===