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Umbire the Phantom: pothole

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2026-04-28T09:41:53Z

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Umbire the Phantom: /* Strategy */ punc

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‎Strategy: punc

Netzhack: /* Strategy */ Wording

2025-03-28T11:33:20Z

‎Strategy: Wording

Umbire the Phantom: /* Sources */ chance to:opportunity::chance of:probability

2023-10-29T09:56:45Z

‎Sources: chance to:opportunity::chance of:probability

Ardub23: Added missing close-parenthesis

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Added missing close-parenthesis

Umbire the Phantom: add Charon

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Umbire the Phantom: formatting pass

2023-07-29T09:43:54Z

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Bleem: /* Monsters with intrinsic see invisible */ not sure why half of these names were capitalized

2022-09-20T20:41:35Z

‎Monsters with intrinsic see invisible: not sure why half of these names were capitalized

Jimeikner: /* Monsters with intrinsic see invisible */

2019-07-09T17:12:08Z

‎Monsters with intrinsic see invisible

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 As indicated by the name, the property allows you to see monsters that are invisible. While you possess the property, tame and peaceful monsters that have a means of becoming invisible will apply it: monsters with potions of invisibility will quaff them, monsters that can cast [[disappear]] will do so, and monsters with a [[wand of make invisible]] will zap it at themselves. This occurs regardless of whether you have the property temporarily or otherwise.
-Monsters that can see invisible will not misdirect their attacks towards you or another invisible monster and are not subject to the -2 [[to-hit]] penalty against invisible targets, though they can still be affected by any [[displacement]] that the target has.
+Monsters that can see invisible will not misdirect their attacks towards you or another invisible monster and are not subject to the -2 [[to-hit]] penalty against invisible targets, though they can still be affected by any [[Displacement (property)|displacement]] that the target has.
 ==Sources==

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−	'''See invisible''' is a [[property]] in ''[[NetHack]]'' that enables [[~~you~~]] or a [[monster]] ~~with the property~~ to see [[invisible]] ~~monsters (including yourself if you are invisible)~~.	+	'''See invisible''' is a [[property]] in ''[[NetHack]]'' that enables a [[hero]] or [[monster]] to see other monsters that are [[invisible]].

	==Description==		==Description==

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 ==Strategy==
-Monks start with the intrinsic; for other roles, it is more trivial to obtain as a permanent ability than most properties: quaffing a single blessed potion of see invisible, crowning, or eating stalker meat while invisible will give you the intrinsic permanently, rendering most other sources of the property redundant and easily saving a ring slot. A tin of stalker meat or a blessed potion of see invisible can still be worth carrying around as a backup in case you lose the intrinsic, usually as a result of a [[gremlin]] attack.
+Monks start with the intrinsic, and for other roles it is more trivial to obtain as a permanent ability than most properties: quaffing a single blessed potion of see invisible, crowning, or eating stalker meat while invisible will give you the intrinsic permanently, rendering most other sources of the property redundant and easily saving a ring slot. A tin of stalker meat or a blessed potion of see invisible can still be worth carrying around as a backup in case you lose the intrinsic, usually as a result of a [[gremlin]] attack.
 One negative side-effect of having temporary see invisible (or else losing the ring or the permanent intrinsic) is that you risk bumping into peaceful monsters that have made themselves invisible. This will anger them, which may result in unwanted penalties to your [[alignment record]] or [[YAAD|a quick death]] at worst.

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 ==Strategy==
-For roles besides the Monk (who starts with the intrinsic), see invisible is fairly trivial to obtain on a permanent basis compared to most properties: quaffing a single blessed potion of see invisible, crowning, or eating stalker meat while invisible will give you the intrinsic permanently, rendering most other sources of the property redundant and easily saving a ring slot. A tin of stalker meat or a blessed potion of see invisible can still be worth carrying around as a backup in case you lose the intrinsic, usually as a result of a [[gremlin]] attack.
+Monks start with the intrinsic; for other roles, it is more trivial to obtain as a permanent ability than most properties: quaffing a single blessed potion of see invisible, crowning, or eating stalker meat while invisible will give you the intrinsic permanently, rendering most other sources of the property redundant and easily saving a ring slot. A tin of stalker meat or a blessed potion of see invisible can still be worth carrying around as a backup in case you lose the intrinsic, usually as a result of a [[gremlin]] attack.
-One negative side-effect of having temporary see invisible (or else losing the ring or permanent intrinsic) is that you risk bumping into peaceful monsters that have made themselves invisible - this will then anger them, which might result in unwanted penalties to [[alignment record]] or [[YAAD|a quick death]] at worst.
+One negative side-effect of having temporary see invisible (or else losing the ring or the permanent intrinsic) is that you risk bumping into peaceful monsters that have made themselves invisible. This will anger them, which may result in unwanted penalties to your [[alignment record]] or [[YAAD|a quick death]] at worst.
-See invisible becomes most useful during the mid-game stages, where you will start encountering stalkers as well as spellcasting monsters that can render themselves invisible. Most invisible monsters can also be seen with [[telepathy]], with the exception of mindless creatures zapped with a wand of make invisible; while having see invisible will save you the admittedly-short time it takes to blind yourself and utilize intrinsic telepathy, this is much less of a factor if you have an [[artifact]] source of extrinsic telepathy.
+See invisible becomes most useful during the mid-game stages, where you will start encountering stalkers as well as spellcasting monsters that can render themselves invisible. Most invisible monsters can also be seen with [[telepathy]], with the exception of mindless creatures zapped with a wand of make invisible. While having see invisible will save you the admittedly short time it takes to blind yourself to use intrinsic telepathy, the advantage is smaller if you have an [[artifact]] source of extrinsic telepathy.
-Towards the mid- and late game, most monsters will be able to see invisible, making invisibility less effective against them in comparison to the early game; displacement becomes proportionately more viable as a result, though neither are truly necessary to complete the game.
+Towards the mid- and late game, most monsters will be able to see invisible, making your own invisibility less effective than in the early game; displacement becomes proportionately more valuable as a result, though neither is strictly necessary to complete the game.
 ==Variants==

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 * One possible effect of [[sitting]] on a [[throne]] with positive [[Luck]], if you do not have the property as an intrinsic.
 * One possible effect of [[quaffing]] from a non-magic [[fountain]].
-* Wear a [[ring of see invisible]], or [[Eating jewelry|eat the ring]] (which has a {{frac|3}} chance to give the intrinsic).
+* Wear a [[ring of see invisible]], or [[Eating jewelry|eat the ring]] (which has a {{frac|3}} chance of conveying the intrinsic).
 * Be a [[Monk]] of any [[experience level]] or a [[Ranger]] at experience level 15.
 * [[Polymorph]] into a monster with intrinsic see invisible.

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−	'''See invisible''' is a [[property]] in ''[[NetHack]]'' that enables [[you]] or a [[monster]] with the property to see [[invisible]] monsters (including yourself if you are invisible.	+	'''See invisible''' is a [[property]] in ''[[NetHack]]'' that enables [[you]] or a [[monster]] with the property to see [[invisible]] monsters (including yourself if you are invisible).

	==Description==		==Description==

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 *** {{monsymlink|Orion}}
 ** Quest nemeses
-* {{monsymlink|Minion of Huhetotl}}
+*** {{monsymlink|Minion of Huhetotl}}
-* {{monsymlink|Chromatic Dragon}}
+*** {{monsymlink|Chromatic Dragon}}
-* {{monsymlink|Ixoth}}
+*** {{monsymlink|Ixoth}}
-* {{monsymlink|Master Kaen}}
+*** {{monsymlink|Master Kaen}}
-* {{monsymlink|Nalzok}}
+*** {{monsymlink|Nalzok}}
-** Defunct monsters
+** Defunct and deferred monsters
 *** {{monsymlink|Earendil}} and Elwing
 *** {{monsymlink|high-elf}}

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-'''See invisible''' is an [[intrinsic]] which enables you to spot [[invisibility|invisible]] monsters and [[you]]rself, if you are invisible. It is very useful to possess as high level spellcasting monsters can render themselves invisible, and some monsters (notably [[stalker]]s) are intrinsically invisible.
+'''See invisible''' is a [[property]] in ''[[NetHack]]'' that enables [[you]] or a [[monster]] with the property to see [[invisible]] monsters (including yourself if you are invisible.
-Invisible monsters can also be seen with telepathy, barring the possibility of a mindless creature getting zapped with a [[Wands|wand of invisibility]]
+==Description==
-The ability to see invisible can be acquired in the following ways:
+Monsters that can see invisible will not misdirect their attacks towards you or another invisible monster and are not subject to the -2 [[to-hit]] penalty against invisible targets, though they can still be affected by any [[displacement]] that the target has.
-One possible negative side-effect of only seeing invisible temporarily is that peaceful monsters might make themselves invisible (since you can then still see them), but once you can't see them anymore (e.g., by removing the [[ring of see invisible]]), they stay invisible. Running into them will then anger them, which might end in a quick death.
+==Sources==
 * {{monsymlink|mind flayer}}
 * {{monsymlink|master mind flayer}}
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 * {{monsymlink|ki-rin}}
 * {{monsymlink|Archon}}
-* All [[dragon|dragons]]
+* all {{monclass|D}}s
 * {{monsymlink|stalker}}
 * {{monsymlink|sasquatch}}
-* All non-undead [[Elf (monster attribute)#Monsters|elves]]
+* All non-undead [[Elf (monster attribute)|elves]]
 * {{monsymlink|high priest}}
 * {{monsymlink|Wizard of Yendor}}
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 * {{monsymlink|pit fiend}}
 * {{monsymlink|balrog}}
-* All [[Demon#Unique demons|demon lords and demon princes]]
+* All [[demon lords and princes]]
-* The [[riders]]
+* The [[Riders]]
 * {{monsymlink|Minion of Huhetotl}}
 * {{monsymlink|Chromatic Dragon}}
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 * {{monsymlink|Master Kaen}}
 * {{monsymlink|Nalzok}}
-<!--and also various quest friendlies and leaders-->
+** Defunct monsters
-==SLASH'EM==
+Towards the mid- and late game, most monsters will be able to see invisible, making invisibility less effective against them in comparison to the early game; displacement becomes proportionately more viable as a result, though neither are truly necessary to complete the game.
-Invisible items are exceedingly rare, but importantly, even invisible non-artifact weapons are good, since [[invisible item (SLASH'EM)|they]] give +3 to-hit versus monsters which cannot see invisible. Finally, imagine the (exceedingly unlikely) annoyance if you skip a randomly generated [[Grayswandir]] on Dlvl 1 because you couldn't see it.
+==Variants==
-{{stub}}
+SLASH'EM also has [[Invisible item (SLASH'EM)|invisible items]], which can only be seen with the see invisible property; invisible weapons give +3 to-hit versus monsters which cannot see invisible. While invisible items are generated very infrequently, pack rats and other loot-scavenging players will want see invisible in order to make their treasure hunting somewhat easier.
 [[Category:Properties]]

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 * {{monsymlink|Aleax}}
 * {{monsymlink|Angel}}
-* {{monsymlink|Ki-rin}}
+* {{monsymlink|ki-rin}}
 * {{monsymlink|Archon}}
 * All [[dragon|dragons]]
-* {{monsymlink|Stalker}}
+* {{monsymlink|stalker}}
-* {{monsymlink|Sasquatch}}
+* {{monsymlink|sasquatch}}
 * All non-undead [[Elf (monster attribute)#Monsters|elves]]
-* {{monsymlink|High priest}}
+* {{monsymlink|high priest}}
 * {{monsymlink|Wizard of Yendor}}
 * {{monsymlink|Croesus}}
-* {{monsymlink|Shade}}
+* {{monsymlink|shade}}
-* {{monsymlink|Marilith}}
+* {{monsymlink|marilith}}
-* {{monsymlink|Ice devil}}
+* {{monsymlink|ice devil}}
-* {{monsymlink|Pit fiend}}
+* {{monsymlink|pit fiend}}
-* {{monsymlink|Balrog}}
+* {{monsymlink|balrog}}
 * All [[Demon#Unique demons|demon lords and demon princes]]
 * The [[riders]]