Stash - Revision history

Umbire the Phantom: potholes, etc.

2026-05-18T06:27:25Z

potholes, etc.

Furey: /* Containers */ copy edit.

2024-06-16T13:55:54Z

‎Containers: copy edit.

Furey: Bump from {{nethack-360}} to {{nethack-367}}.

2024-06-16T13:54:02Z

Bump from {{nethack-360}} to {{nethack-367}}.

Furey: /* Location */ next to stairs but not ON stairs

2024-06-16T13:52:17Z

‎Location: next to stairs but not ON stairs

Furey: /* Containers */ Talk about nymphs (unlimited carrying capacity). Update the capacity of dragons.

2024-06-16T13:48:55Z

‎Containers: Talk about nymphs (unlimited carrying capacity). Update the capacity of dragons.

Umbire the Phantom: /* Using containers */ formatting

2023-06-26T02:47:06Z

‎Using containers: formatting

Actual-nh: /* Containers */ Note re future developments

2021-06-16T00:02:01Z

‎Containers: Note re future developments

Actual-nh: /* Containers */ Claim re intelligent monsters unlocking - not according to 3.7.0 commits.

2021-06-15T21:49:46Z

‎Containers: Claim re intelligent monsters unlocking - not according to 3.7.0 commits.

Andrio Celos: Link to NetHack 3.7.0 specifically.

2021-02-16T02:51:29Z

Link to NetHack 3.7.0 specifically.

Andrio Celos: Link to NetHack 3.7.0 specifically.

2021-02-16T02:40:30Z

Link to NetHack 3.7.0 specifically.

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 The other way to restrict monster movement is with [[boulder]]s. You can surround your stash square with boulders (a [[scroll of earth]] is handy for this purpose) and then either push the boulders aside to gain access or get inside with a [[teleport control|controlled teleport]]. However, the same effect can be achieved much more easily by pushing a single boulder on top of your stash. This does not damage any items, and the number of items on that may be hidden this way is unlimited.
-Boulders will protect the stash from most monsters, including [[gelatinous cubes]], but [[giants]] and [[titan]]s can pick up boulders and move them. Boulders can also be shattered by ranged attacks like {{+ of|force bolt}} or a [[wand of striking]].
+Boulders will protect the stash from most monsters, including [[gelatinous cube]]s, but [[Giant (monster attribute)|giants]] and [[titan]]s can pick up boulders and move them. Boulders can also be shattered by ranged attacks like {{+ of|force bolt}} or a [[wand of striking]].
 ===Paranoid security===

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 * Keeping it safe from [[gelatinous cube]]s.
-The most direct way of preventing monsters from picking up your stash container is to simply make sure it is too heavy to carry. Nymphs have an effectively unlimited carrying capacity, so you cannot prevent them. Dragons have the second greatest [[Monster carrying capacity|carrying capacity]]; they can carry 4500 [[weight]] units. Therefore, placing 450 or more rocks into a stash container will ensure that no monster except a nymph can pick it up.
+The most direct way of preventing monsters from picking up your stash container is to simply make sure it is too heavy to carry. Nymphs have an effectively unlimited carrying capacity, so you cannot prevent them from picking up your stash. Dragons have the second greatest [[Monster carrying capacity|carrying capacity]]; they can carry 4500 [[weight]] units. Therefore, placing 450 or more rocks into a stash container will ensure that no monster except a nymph can pick it up.
 === Locked doors ===

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 If you have a [[wand of polymorph]], [[polypiling]] is a great way to make use of a stash of otherwise useless magical junk.
-{{nethack-360}}
+{{nethack-367}}
 [[Category:Strategy]]

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 A stash of useful items or spares is best located in a convenient place that you can return to later to retrieve your items without having to traverse too many difficult dungeon levels. If you have controlled [[level teleport]], almost anywhere that is not deep in a branch is convenient.
-In the early game, before you can perform basic stash security, the [[Minetown]] light shop might be a reasonable location. Even if a monster does dig down the walls, they are repaired quickly. Plus, you will be returning past this location on your way back up from [[Mines' End]]. Alternatively, when first exploring the dungeon, consider leaving items next to stairs before descending. Monsters do not act while you are off the level, so the items will still be there when you return.
+In the early game, before you can perform basic stash security, the [[Minetown]] light shop might be a reasonable location. Even if a monster does dig down the walls, they are repaired quickly. Plus, you will be returning past this location on your way back up from [[Mines' End]]. Alternatively, when first exploring the dungeon, consider leaving items next to stairs before descending (but not directly on the stairs; if you drop an item on a down stairs, it may fall down the stairs). Monsters do not act while you are off the level, so the items will still be there when you return.
 The [[Castle]] or the [[Valley of the Dead]] are popular stash levels, as they both generate immense amounts of loot and have abundant [[chest]]s. The Valley also has a [[temple]], but it is unaligned.

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 * Keeping it safe from [[gelatinous cube]]s.
-The most direct way of preventing monsters from picking up your stash container is to simply make sure it is too heavy to carry. Dragons have the greatest [[Monster carrying capacity|carrying capacity of any monster]] and can carry 3103 [[weight]] units. Therefore, placing 311 or more rocks into a stash container will ensure that no monster in the game can pick it up.
+The most direct way of preventing monsters from picking up your stash container is to simply make sure it is too heavy to carry. Nymphs have an effectively unlimited carrying capacity, so you cannot prevent them. Dragons have the second greatest [[Monster carrying capacity|carrying capacity]]; they can carry 4500 [[weight]] units. Therefore, placing 450 or more rocks into a stash container will ensure that no monster except a nymph can pick it up.
 === Locked doors ===

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 A '''stash''' is a repository of [[item]]s that a [[player]] leaves behind in the dungeon. Players can carry only a limited [[weight]], and without a [[container]] only a maximum of 52 [[item]]s plus gold and a loadstone.
-== Using containers ==
+==Using containers==
-[[Monster]]s are quite capable of picking up and using any items they come across. To prevent this, stash items in a [[container]].
+* A simple [[sack]] is sufficient to stop monsters [[loot]]ing your items.
+* A heavier container such as a [[large box]] is more likely to stop a [[troll]] picking it up. On the other hand, the extra weight makes it less convenient if you decide to move your stash around. A [[chest]] is heavier still, and also [[wet|waterproof]].
-A simple [[sack]] is sufficient to stop monsters [[loot|looting]] your items.
+* An [[ice box]] is the only container that [[gelatinous cube]]s will not [[engulf]] - a cube engulfing any of the organic containers above will destroy the container immediately and engulf its contents (without destroying those as well, fortunately). Any item can be stored safely inside an ice box&mdash;[[corpse]]s will not [[rot]], [[potion]]s will not [[Potion#Damage|freeze]], etc. Ice boxes are extremely rare, comprising 0.5% of all tools, and may need to be [[polypile]]d or [[wish]]ed for.
 == Security ==

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 == Security ==
 === Containers ===
-{{todo|The below previously said that intelligent monsters in 3.7.0 will, if they have [[unlocking tool]]s, unlock locked containers (after picking them up, apparently). I'm not seeing anything of this in commits to 3.7.0.}}
+{{upcoming|NetHack 3.7.0|Monsters can access the contents of unlocked, untrapped containers (other than a cursed [[bag of holding]]). (Intelligent monsters with unlocking tools may be able to unlock containers in the future.) This can make securing a stash harder.}}
 Since monsters cannot access the contents of a container, securing your stash really only involves three things:

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 === Scrolls of scare monster ===
-{{upcoming|NetHack 3.7|Scare monster no longer works on uniques or @ monsters.}}
+{{upcoming|NetHack 3.7.0|Scare monster no longer works on uniques or @ monsters.}}
 Most monsters can be kept away from a square by placing a [[scroll of scare monster]] on it.