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Cathartes: /* DaggerStorm */ backstab page says it was nerfed in 3.6.0

2021-05-18T04:41:50Z

‎DaggerStorm: backstab page says it was nerfed in 3.6.0

Luxidream at 06:13, 22 July 2018

2018-07-22T06:13:26Z

Luxidream: The calculation is simple enough - +Enchantment before the multiplier. Shouldn't be necessary.

2018-07-22T06:12:01Z

The calculation is simple enough - +Enchantment before the multiplier. Shouldn't be necessary.

ChasonBot at 18:41, 21 December 2015

2015-12-21T18:41:01Z

ASnail at 09:10, 17 October 2013

2013-10-17T09:10:39Z

Scorchgeek: poison gives a 10% chance of instakill, not 5%

2011-07-26T15:59:36Z

poison gives a 10% chance of instakill, not 5%

Tjr: {{todo|This is one of the few places a ring of increase damage noticably increases damage output per turn because it adds to each missile separately.}}

2011-05-23T19:35:45Z

{{todo|This is one of the few places a ring of increase damage noticably increases damage output per turn because it adds to each missile separately.}}

Zzedar: /* ArrowStorm */

2011-05-23T19:33:21Z

‎ArrowStorm

Kerio at 19:56, 19 November 2009

2009-11-19T19:56:41Z

Kerio: silver arrowS

2009-11-18T20:56:15Z

silver arrowS

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 The best type of daggers to do this is probably the silver dagger, due to his high damage [[Silver damage|bonus]] (+1d20) against the silver-hating monsters, but since they are hard to find, most people end up using a stack of elven daggers or just plain normal daggers.
-Rogues also get a backstab bonus (+1dXL) against fleeing monsters, for '''each''' thrown dagger; in the end game, the damage of a stack of thrown, enchanted silver daggers against a fleeing silver-hating undead, assuming that every projectile hits and the character has maximum [[Strength|strength]], as a level 30 Rogue with Expert dagger skill:
+Rogues also get a backstab bonus (+1dXL) against fleeing monsters (pre-[[3.6.0]]), for '''each''' thrown dagger; in the end game, the damage of a stack of thrown, enchanted silver daggers against a fleeing silver-hating undead, assuming that every projectile hits and the character has maximum [[Strength|strength]], as a level 30 Rogue with Expert dagger skill:
        skill bonus
   +6       strength bonus
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   *2.5     1d4 daggers thrown in a single firing
   =113.75  *average* final damage (112.5 against large, absolute best case is 292! damage)
 Compare this to the average damage for [[Grayswandir]], the best weapon in the game, [[Twoweapon|twoweaponing]] it with another silver saber, with maxed skills (assuming, with the same Rogue, Expert two-weapon combat and Skilled saber):
 *(      Grayswandir's double damage
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 One of the advantages of throwing daggers, as opposed to using a melee weapon, is the fact that you can use a wielded [[Artifact weapon|artifact weapon]] for the bonus it provides, and not just for the damage; [[Magicbane]]'s damage is low, compared to other artifacts, but the perks it gives ([[Magic resistance|MR]] and curse absorbing) are nice; Magicbane is a great weapon, even for Rogues (chaotics) because it also gives you a way to engrave a semipermanent Elbereth - great for the backstab bonus. Another way to scare monsters, that works at range, is a [[Tooled horn|tooled horn]], which is another great tool for Rogues.
 == ArrowStorm ==
 Another great alternative to melee weapons, especially if you are an [[Elf (starting race)|Elven]] Ranger, are elven arrows, fired from an elven bow: Rangers get a +1 multishot for every projectile, and Elves have a +1 multishot (together with a +1 to-hit and +1 damage) for firing elven arrows from an elven bow, bringing the average fired projectiles to 3.

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   +2.5     average of 1d4 blessed damage against undead
   =72.5    average of the blessed +7 Grayswandir twoweapon with a blessed +7 silver saber against a silver-hating undead
-That said, a stack of silver dagger is one of the rarest item in the [[Mazes of Menace]] (stacks of 1d6 silver daggers are 0.3% of all the randomly-generated items), so most adventurers will settle for a stack of daggers, or elven daggers when possible, but even in that case, it's usually enough to kill most monsters before they even have a chance of landing a hit on you, since daggers are a ranged attacks, with the range depending purely on your strength (with St:25 you have 10 squares of range).
+That said, a stack of silver daggers is one of the rarest item in the [[Mazes of Menace]] (stacks of 1d6 silver daggers are 0.3% of all the randomly-generated items), so most adventurers will settle for a stack of daggers, or elven daggers when possible, but even in that case, it's usually enough to kill most monsters before they even have a chance of landing a hit on you, since daggers are a ranged attacks, with the range depending purely on your strength (with St:25 you have 10 squares of range).
 Unless you're using silver daggers, if there are spare scrolls of enchant weapon laying around, it's better to [[Fooproof]] your stack of enchanted daggers, since a lot of monsters can corrode iron, limiting your damage; it's also better to [[Name|#name]] your stack of daggers giving it a unique name, and to set an autopickup exception for your own daggers, to help picking them up. Also, watch out when firing around water, since daggers that end up in a pool or a moat are hard to recover; better have a backup melee weapon for sea monsters.

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 '''ArrowStorm''', '''DaggerStorm''', or '''SilverStorm''' are the use of [[Missile|missile weapons]] as the primary way to deal damage in NetHack.
-{{todo|Add the bonus a ring of increase damage will provide to the calculations.}}
 The preferred roles to do this are [[Rogue|Rogues]] and [[Ranger|Rangers]], for their [[Skill|weapon proficiency]] and for their +1 [[Multishot|multishot]] bonus, but roles with high skill in missile weapons also work (particularly [[Wizard|Wizards]], [[Tourist|Tourists]] and [[Valkyrie|Valkyries]] for Expert daggers). In addition, a [[Ring of increase damage]] would also be of considerable benefit since the damage bonus will be added to '''each''' projectile.
 == DaggerStorm ==
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 Again, this is for a maximum range of 11, so, especially if you're [[Fast|fast]] or very fast, you have the time of killing monsters before they get even near you. The same advices regarding missile managing apply here.
 [[Category:Strategy]]
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	Again, this is for a maximum range of 11, so, especially if you're [[Fast\|fast]] or very fast, you have the time of killing monsters before they get even near you. The same advices regarding missile managing apply here.		Again, this is for a maximum range of 11, so, especially if you're [[Fast\|fast]] or very fast, you have the time of killing monsters before they get even near you. The same advices regarding missile managing apply here.
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 '''ArrowStorm''', '''DaggerStorm''', or '''SilverStorm''' are the use of [[Missile|missile weapons]] as the primary way to deal damage in NetHack.
+{{todo|Add the bonus a ring of increase damage will provide to the calculations.}}
-The preferred roles to do this are [[Rogue|Rogues]] and [[Ranger|Rangers]], for their [[Skill|weapon proficiency]] and for their +1 [[Multishot|multishot]] bonus, but roles with high skill in missile weapons also work (particularly [[Wizard|Wizards]], [[Tourist|Tourists]] and [[Valkyrie|Valkyries]] for Expert daggers).
+The preferred roles to do this are [[Rogue|Rogues]] and [[Ranger|Rangers]], for their [[Skill|weapon proficiency]] and for their +1 [[Multishot|multishot]] bonus, but roles with high skill in missile weapons also work (particularly [[Wizard|Wizards]], [[Tourist|Tourists]] and [[Valkyrie|Valkyries]] for Expert daggers). In addition, a [[Ring of increase damage]] would also be of considerable benefit since the damage bonus will be added to '''each''' projectile.
 == DaggerStorm ==
 As a Ranger or a Rogue you get +1 multishot for thrown [[Dagger|daggers]], even when dagger is Unskilled, so, even as an early-game character, you can probably deal more damage by throwing daggers than by using a melee weapon, even in melee range.
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 Again, this is for a maximum range of 11, so, especially if you're [[Fast|fast]] or very fast, you have the time of killing monsters before they get even near you. The same advices regarding missile managing apply here.
 [[Category:Strategy]]

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   *3       average of 1d5 fired arrows in a single firing
   =52.5    average final damage (51 against large)
-This applies when attacking normal enemies that are not poison-resistant, not including a 5% chance of instakilling with poison - with 14 poisoned arrows you have over 50% chance of killing an enemy, regardless of damage; undead are poison-resistant, but they would suffer from the blessed damage (2.5 average). Using a launcher gives you extended range of fire, so you can get even more shots at monsters while they come to you.
+This applies when attacking normal enemies that are not poison-resistant, not including a 10% chance of instakilling with poison - with 14 poisoned arrows you have over 50% chance of killing an enemy, regardless of damage. Undead and demons are poison-resistant, but they suffer from the blessed damage (2.5 average). Using a launcher gives you extended range of fire, so you can get even more shots at monsters while they come to you.
-Firing poisonous arrows can remove the poison coating, so after a while you may want to re-dip your de-poisoned arrows in another potion of sickness to bring the stack back together, without wasting too many potions of sickness.
+Firing poisonous arrows can remove the poison coating, so after a while you may want to re-dip your de-poisoned arrows in another potion of sickness to bring the stack back together.
 == SilverStorm ==

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	Again, this is for a maximum range of 11, so, especially if you're [[Fast\|fast]] or very fast, you have the time of killing monsters before they get even near you. The same advices regarding missile managing apply here.		Again, this is for a maximum range of 11, so, especially if you're [[Fast\|fast]] or very fast, you have the time of killing monsters before they get even near you. The same advices regarding missile managing apply here.
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   +15.5    average of 1d30 backstab damage against fleeing monsters
   =45.5    average for a single blessed +7 silver dagger against a fleeing small silver-hating undead
   *2.5     1d4 daggers thrown in a single firing
   =113.75  *average* final damage (112.5 against large, absolute best case is 292! damage)
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   +10.5    average of 1d20 silver damage against silver-haters
   +2.5     average of 1d4 blessed damage against undead
   =72.5    average of the blessed +7 Grayswandir twoweapon with a blessed +7 silver saber against a silver-hating undead
 That said, a stack of silver dagger is one of the rarest item in the [[Mazes of Menace]] (stacks of 1d6 silver daggers are 0.3% of all the randomly-generated items), so most adventurers will settle for a stack of daggers, or elven daggers when possible, but even in that case, it's usually enough to kill most monsters before they even have a chance of landing a hit on you, since daggers are a ranged attacks, with the range depending purely on your strength (with St:25 you have 10 squares of range).
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   +3.5     average of 1d6 poison damage against non-poison resistant
   =17.5    average for a single blessed poisoned +7 elven arrow
   *3       average of 1d5 fired arrows in a single firing
   =52.5    average final damage (51 against large)
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   +2.5     average of 1d4 blessed damage against undead
   =25.5    average for a single blessed poisoned +7 silver arrow
   *2.5     average of 1d4 fired arrows in a single firing
   =63.75   average final damage
 Again, this is for a maximum range of 11, so, especially if you're [[Fast|fast]] or very fast, you have the time of killing monsters before they get even near you. The same advices regarding missile managing apply here.
 [[Category:Strategy]]