Strong - Revision history

Darth l33t: 5.0.0 update; replace redundant and verbose starting weapon info with a link to the appropriate page

2026-06-29T15:34:12Z

5.0.0 update; replace redundant and verbose starting weapon info with a link to the appropriate page

Umbire the Phantom: some copyedit

2025-03-05T05:42:06Z

some copyedit

Umbire the Phantom: lede

2025-03-05T05:41:08Z

lede

Umbire the Phantom: /* Generation */ typo

2024-07-20T02:44:23Z

‎Generation: typo

Umbire the Phantom: pothole

2024-05-28T15:18:09Z

pothole

Umbire the Phantom: /* Effects for the player */ chance to:opportunity::chance of:probability

2023-10-29T09:06:11Z

‎Effects for the player: chance to:opportunity::chance of:probability

Umbire the Phantom: /* List of strong monsters */ proper plurals

2023-03-06T04:57:56Z

‎List of strong monsters: proper plurals

Umbire the Phantom: /* Effects for the player /

2023-03-06T04:56:49Z

‎Effects for the player: *

Umbire the Phantom: lede

2022-12-21T07:59:11Z

lede

Umbire the Phantom: M2 + {{upcoming}}

2022-12-21T07:58:45Z

M2 + {{upcoming}}

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 A strong monster has twice the [[monster carrying capacity|carrying capacity]] as a non-strong monster of the same weight.
-Only strong monsters may wield [[two-handed]] weapons.{{refsrc|src/weapon.c|537|version=NetHack 3.6.6}} Strong monsters have a {{frac|4}} to avoid being pulled around with a [[grappling hook]], and will instead pull around the hero.{{refsrc|src/apply.c|3257|version=NetHack 3.6.6}}
+Strong monsters have a {{frac|4}} to avoid being pulled around with a [[grappling hook]], and will instead pull around the hero.{{refsrc|src/apply.c|3257|version=NetHack 3.6.6}}
-===Generation===
+Only strong monsters may wield [[two-handed]] weapons.{{refsrc|src/weapon.c|537|version=NetHack 3.6.6}} The [[monster starting inventory#Weapons|default weapon pool]] for strong monsters differs from the one for non-strong monsters.
 ==Effects for the hero==
-Polymorphing into a strong monster sets your [[strength]] to 18/**, regardless of your base [[race]].{{refsrc|src/polyself.c|673|version=NetHack 3.6.7}}
+If your [[steed]] is strong and gets entangled in a [[spider web]], it is treated as having a strength of 17 for the purpose of calculating its chance of breaking free (i.e. a {{frac|2}} chance).{{refsrc|src/trap.c|1363|version=NetHack 3.6.7}}
-If your [[steed]] is strong and gets entangled in a [[spider web]], it is treated as having a strength of 17 for the purpose of calculating its chance of breaking free (i.e. a {{frac|2}} chance).{{refsrc|src/trap.c|1363|version=NetHack 3.6.7}}
+Polymorphing into a strong monster sets your [[strength]] to a specific value{{refsrc|src/polyself.c|1077|nethack=5.0.0}}, supplanting both higher and lower strength. [[Gauntlets of power]] override this value and continue to grant 25 strength. The values are as follows, assuming throughout that the specific monster species is strong:
-{{upcoming|3.7.0|As part of resolving [https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/issues/679 issue #679] regarding congruence between non-player monsters and their player counterparts, {{commit|b6a3d4b984eb118ddb02f1605d76b1010df76055|commit b6a3d4b}} adds various special cases that alter strength caps for specific strong monsters, including some that ensure monster strength matches those of their playable counterparts:
+{|class="wikitable"
-* Strength is capped at 18 for polyforms that lack the strong attribute.
+Polymorphing into a non-strong monster species limits your strength to 18; gauntlets of power override this value as well.
 ==List of strong monsters==
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 * {{monsymlink|bugbear}}
 * {{monsymlink|giant mimic}}
-* all {{monclass|o}}s except [[goblin]]s
+* all {{monclass|o}}s except [[goblin]]s and [[orc shaman]]s
 * all {{monclass|q}}s except [[rothe]]s
 * all adult {{monclass|w}}s
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 * {{monsymlink|ettin mummy}}
 * {{monsymlink|giant mummy}}
 * {{monsymlink|Nazgul}}
 * all {{monclass|Y}}s except [[monkey]]s
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 * most {{monclass|@}} monsters, with these exceptions:
 ** {{monsymlink|aligned priest}}
 ** {{monsymlink|Green-elf}}
 ** {{monsymlink|Grey-elf}}
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 * {{monsymlink|Asmodeus}}
 * all three [[Rider]]s
 ==References==

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 {{for|the [[attribute]] that measures a [[hero]]'s physical prowess|strength}}
-In ''[[NetHack]]'', some [[monster]]s are considered '''strong'''. This [[property]] is boolean (i.e. monsters either possess it or do not), and is governed by the <code>'''M2_STRONG'''</code> flag in [[monst.c]]. As a monster attribute, it is not entirely analogous to a [[hero]]'s [[strength]].
+In ''[[NetHack]]'', some [[monster]]s are considered '''strong'''. This [[property]] is boolean (i.e. monsters either possess it or do not), and is governed by the <tt>'''M2_STRONG'''</tt> monster flag.
-==Effects for monsters==
+==Description==
 A strong monster has twice the [[monster carrying capacity|carrying capacity]] as a non-strong monster of the same weight.
-Only strong monsters may wield [[two-handed]] weapons.{{refsrc|src/weapon.c|537|version=NetHack 3.6.6}} Strong monsters have a {{frac|4}} to avoid being pulled around with a [[grappling hook]], and will instead pull around the player.{{refsrc|src/apply.c|3257|version=NetHack 3.6.6}}
+Only strong monsters may wield [[two-handed]] weapons.{{refsrc|src/weapon.c|537|version=NetHack 3.6.6}} Strong monsters have a {{frac|4}} to avoid being pulled around with a [[grappling hook]], and will instead pull around the hero.{{refsrc|src/apply.c|3257|version=NetHack 3.6.6}}
 ===Generation===
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 # A [[lucern hammer]]
-The size of the die used in rolling for these weapons is determined by whether or not the monster is also a [[M2_LORD|lord]] to its kind, an [[M2_PRINCE|overlord]] to its kind, or is [[nasty]]; this is governed by an [[rnd]] equation that translates to {{sfrac|5|14 - ''N''}}, where ''N'' is the result of a "bias" variable that is incremented for each applicable property - 1 if the monster is a lord, 1 if the monster is nasty, and 2 if the monster is an overlord - and then multiplied by two:<ref name="default"/>
+The size of the die used in rolling for these weapons is determined by whether or not the monster is also a [[Lord (monster attribute)|lord]] to its kind, an [[overlord]] to its kind, or is [[nasty]]; this is governed by an [[rnd]] equation that translates to {{sfrac|5|14 - ''N''}}, where ''N'' is the result of a "bias" variable that is incremented for each applicable property - 1 if the monster is a lord, 1 if the monster is nasty, and 2 if the monster is an overlord - and then multiplied by two:<ref name="default"/>
 * A normal strong monster uses a d14. ({{frac|5|14}} ≈ 35.71%)
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 * Strong monsters that are both nasty and an overlord to their kind use a d8. ({{frac|5|8}} = 62.5%)
-==Effects for the player==
+==Effects for the hero==
 Polymorphing into a strong monster sets your [[strength]] to 18/**, regardless of your base [[race]].{{refsrc|src/polyself.c|673|version=NetHack 3.6.7}}

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-:''For the player stat, see [[strength]].''
+{{for|the [[attribute]] that measures a [[hero]]'s physical prowess|strength}}
+In ''[[NetHack]]'', some [[monster]]s are considered '''strong'''. This [[property]] is boolean (i.e. monsters either possess it or do not), and is governed by the <code>'''M2_STRONG'''</code> flag in [[monst.c]]. As a monster attribute, it is not entirely analogous to a [[hero]]'s [[strength]].
 ==Effects for monsters==

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 ===Generation===
 {{main|Monster starting inventory}}
-A strong [[humanoid]] monster that has a weapon attack and the ability to wield weapons, is not being generated on the [[Rogue level]], and does not have its own set of rules governing its [[monster starting inventory]] can be generated with one of the following five weapon sets, with an equal probability of each:{{refsrc|src/makemon.c|512|version=NetHack 3.6.6|name="default"|common=Default set of cases for monster weapon generation}}
+A strong [[humanoid]] monster that has a weapon attack and the ability to wield weapons, is not being generated on the [[Rogue level]], and does not have its own set of rules governing its [[monster starting inventory]] can be generated with one of the following five weapon sets, with an equal probability of each:{{refsrc|src/makemon.c|512|version=NetHack 3.6.6|name="default"|comment=Default set of cases for monster weapon generation}}
 # A [[battle-axe]]

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 ** {{monsymlink|high priest}}
 ** {{monsymlink|nurse}}
-** {{monsymlink|The Oracle}}
+** {{monsymlink|Oracle}}
 ** {{monsymlink|werejackal}}
 ** {{monsymlink|wererat}}

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 * Strength is capped at 18 for polyforms that lack the strong attribute.
 * Polymorphing into a strong [[Orc (monster class)|orc]] sets your strength to 18/50, matching the natural cap of a player orc; the exceptions are the [[Uruk-hai]], which confers 18/** strength as before, and the [[orc shaman]], which no longer has the M2_STRONG flag. The [[orc mummy]] is given the M2_STRONG flag.
-* Polymorphing into a strong [[Elf (monster attribute)|elf]] sets your strength to 18, matching the natural cap of a player elf. [[Elf (monster)|'plain' elves]] no longer have the M2_STRONG flag.
+* Polymorphing into a strong [[Elf (monster attribute)|elf]] sets your strength to 18, matching the natural cap of a player elf. [[Elf (monster)|'Plain' elves]] no longer have the M2_STRONG flag.
 * Polymorphing into a non-[[undead]] [[Giant (monster attribute)|giant]] sets your strength to 19; polymorphing into an undead giant (i.e. zombie or mummy) instead sets it to 18/** as with other strong monsters.
 }}

Strong - Revision history

Darth l33t: 5.0.0 update; replace redundant and verbose starting weapon info with a link to the appropriate page

Umbire the Phantom: some copyedit

Umbire the Phantom: lede

Umbire the Phantom: /* Generation */ typo

Umbire the Phantom: pothole

Umbire the Phantom: /* Effects for the player */ chance to:opportunity::chance of:probability

Umbire the Phantom: /* List of strong monsters */ proper plurals

Umbire the Phantom: /* Effects for the player */*

Umbire the Phantom: lede

Umbire the Phantom: M2 + {{upcoming}}

Umbire the Phantom: /* Effects for the player /