Talk:1-turn ascension - Revision history

220.255.1.90: /* xp 17 */ Spelling correction to my message

2013-10-13T16:08:33Z

‎xp 17: Spelling correction to my message

220.255.1.95: /* xp 17 */

2013-10-13T13:58:14Z

‎xp 17

Tjr: xp<=17 error?

2013-10-13T06:13:08Z

xp<=17 error?

Tjr at 18:50, 28 September 2011

2011-09-28T18:50:06Z

220.255.1.75: /* which monster? */

2011-09-28T15:32:55Z

‎which monster?

Derekt75: derekt75

2011-09-27T21:32:28Z

derekt75

Tjr: +healing

2011-09-27T11:03:29Z

+healing

220.255.1.24: /* which monster? */

2011-09-27T07:52:06Z

‎which monster?

Qazmlpok: /* which monster? */

2011-09-26T21:17:43Z

‎which monster?

Tjr at 20:35, 26 September 2011

2011-09-26T20:35:23Z

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 ==xp 17==
 The most recent edit removed the requirement XP<=17, which prevents huge prayer timeouts. Is this an error? --[[User:Tjr|Tjr]] ([[User talk:Tjr|talk]]) 06:13, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
-:No. Even if one's experience level is 19 (the highest it can be while astisfying the other conditions), the maximum prayer timeout is 4197 – well under 8500. --[[Special:Contributions/220.255.1.95|220.255.1.95]] 13:58, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
+:No. Even if one's experience level is 19 (the highest it can be while satisfying the other conditions), the maximum prayer timeout is 4197 – well under 8500. --[[Special:Contributions/220.255.1.95|220.255.1.95]] 13:58, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

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	The most recent edit removed the requirement XP<=17, which prevents huge prayer timeouts. Is this an error? --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] ([[User talk:Tjr\|talk]]) 06:13, 13 October 2013 (UTC)		The most recent edit removed the requirement XP<=17, which prevents huge prayer timeouts. Is this an error? --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] ([[User talk:Tjr\|talk]]) 06:13, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
		+	:No. Even if one's experience level is 19 (the highest it can be while astisfying the other conditions), the maximum prayer timeout is 4197 – well under 8500. --[[Special:Contributions/220.255.1.95\|220.255.1.95]] 13:58, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

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	: A scroll of earth isn't necessary at all. [[Special:Contributions/220.255.1.75\|220.255.1.75]] 15:32, 28 September 2011 (UTC)		: A scroll of earth isn't necessary at all. [[Special:Contributions/220.255.1.75\|220.255.1.75]] 15:32, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
	::If you block all tiles, then it's not necessary. Otherwise, a boulder fort protects you against ranged attacks. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 18:50, 28 September 2011 (UTC)		::If you block all tiles, then it's not necessary. Otherwise, a boulder fort protects you against ranged attacks. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 18:50, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
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		+	==xp 17==
		+	The most recent edit removed the requirement XP<=17, which prevents huge prayer timeouts. Is this an error? --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] ([[User talk:Tjr\|talk]]) 06:13, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

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	:::: A spellbook of healing, and a ring of regneration, I imagine. Still, it's a valid point that with the blue jellies, you'd need to cast healing more than once per divide, while for the molds, it would be less than once per divide. Even if you have 20 constitution and 23 INT&WIS, if you don't have the Eye you could run out of energy pretty quickly with the jellies. Perhaps another worthwhile question is whether you'd rather play the game without cold resistance or without fire resistance. or maybe you get both, and then get a gremlin to steal a resistance? in which case you'd probably decide based on which resistance you lost first. Incidentally, I think it takes slightly fewer hits to divide a blue jelly: the 1HP of damage per hit is more significant to the mold than the jelly. [[User:Derekt75\|Derekt75]] 21:32, 27 September 2011 (UTC)		:::: A spellbook of healing, and a ring of regneration, I imagine. Still, it's a valid point that with the blue jellies, you'd need to cast healing more than once per divide, while for the molds, it would be less than once per divide. Even if you have 20 constitution and 23 INT&WIS, if you don't have the Eye you could run out of energy pretty quickly with the jellies. Perhaps another worthwhile question is whether you'd rather play the game without cold resistance or without fire resistance. or maybe you get both, and then get a gremlin to steal a resistance? in which case you'd probably decide based on which resistance you lost first. Incidentally, I think it takes slightly fewer hits to divide a blue jelly: the 1HP of damage per hit is more significant to the mold than the jelly. [[User:Derekt75\|Derekt75]] 21:32, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
	: A scroll of earth isn't necessary at all. [[Special:Contributions/220.255.1.75\|220.255.1.75]] 15:32, 28 September 2011 (UTC)		: A scroll of earth isn't necessary at all. [[Special:Contributions/220.255.1.75\|220.255.1.75]] 15:32, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
		+	::If you block all tiles, then it's not necessary. Otherwise, a boulder fort protects you against ranged attacks. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 18:50, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

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	::: If you're ready to pull this off, you've surely had a few thousand spare turns to get a spellbook of healing. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 11:03, 27 September 2011 (UTC)		::: If you're ready to pull this off, you've surely had a few thousand spare turns to get a spellbook of healing. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 11:03, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
	:::: A spellbook of healing, and a ring of regneration, I imagine. Still, it's a valid point that with the blue jellies, you'd need to cast healing more than once per divide, while for the molds, it would be less than once per divide. Even if you have 20 constitution and 23 INT&WIS, if you don't have the Eye you could run out of energy pretty quickly with the jellies. Perhaps another worthwhile question is whether you'd rather play the game without cold resistance or without fire resistance. or maybe you get both, and then get a gremlin to steal a resistance? in which case you'd probably decide based on which resistance you lost first. Incidentally, I think it takes slightly fewer hits to divide a blue jelly: the 1HP of damage per hit is more significant to the mold than the jelly. [[User:Derekt75\|Derekt75]] 21:32, 27 September 2011 (UTC)		:::: A spellbook of healing, and a ring of regneration, I imagine. Still, it's a valid point that with the blue jellies, you'd need to cast healing more than once per divide, while for the molds, it would be less than once per divide. Even if you have 20 constitution and 23 INT&WIS, if you don't have the Eye you could run out of energy pretty quickly with the jellies. Perhaps another worthwhile question is whether you'd rather play the game without cold resistance or without fire resistance. or maybe you get both, and then get a gremlin to steal a resistance? in which case you'd probably decide based on which resistance you lost first. Incidentally, I think it takes slightly fewer hits to divide a blue jelly: the 1HP of damage per hit is more significant to the mold than the jelly. [[User:Derekt75\|Derekt75]] 21:32, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
		+	: A scroll of earth isn't necessary at all. [[Special:Contributions/220.255.1.75\|220.255.1.75]] 15:32, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

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	:: Brown molds will deal less overall damage to you when you divide them, meaning the process can be completed faster. [[Special:Contributions/220.255.1.24\|220.255.1.24]] 07:52, 27 September 2011 (UTC)		:: Brown molds will deal less overall damage to you when you divide them, meaning the process can be completed faster. [[Special:Contributions/220.255.1.24\|220.255.1.24]] 07:52, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
	::: If you're ready to pull this off, you've surely had a few thousand spare turns to get a spellbook of healing. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 11:03, 27 September 2011 (UTC)		::: If you're ready to pull this off, you've surely had a few thousand spare turns to get a spellbook of healing. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 11:03, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
		+	:::: A spellbook of healing, and a ring of regneration, I imagine. Still, it's a valid point that with the blue jellies, you'd need to cast healing more than once per divide, while for the molds, it would be less than once per divide. Even if you have 20 constitution and 23 INT&WIS, if you don't have the Eye you could run out of energy pretty quickly with the jellies. Perhaps another worthwhile question is whether you'd rather play the game without cold resistance or without fire resistance. or maybe you get both, and then get a gremlin to steal a resistance? in which case you'd probably decide based on which resistance you lost first. Incidentally, I think it takes slightly fewer hits to divide a blue jelly: the 1HP of damage per hit is more significant to the mold than the jelly. [[User:Derekt75\|Derekt75]] 21:32, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

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	:As for brown mold, I cannot fathom a reason why they would be preferable. Jellies are amorphous and have more hit points. Any other advantage of a brown mold should also belong to the blue jelly. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 21:17, 26 September 2011 (UTC)		:As for brown mold, I cannot fathom a reason why they would be preferable. Jellies are amorphous and have more hit points. Any other advantage of a brown mold should also belong to the blue jelly. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 21:17, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
	:: Brown molds will deal less overall damage to you when you divide them, meaning the process can be completed faster. [[Special:Contributions/220.255.1.24\|220.255.1.24]] 07:52, 27 September 2011 (UTC)		:: Brown molds will deal less overall damage to you when you divide them, meaning the process can be completed faster. [[Special:Contributions/220.255.1.24\|220.255.1.24]] 07:52, 27 September 2011 (UTC)
		+	::: If you're ready to pull this off, you've surely had a few thousand spare turns to get a spellbook of healing. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 11:03, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

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	:Spotted jellies don't divide. That's part of the cold passive attack, while spotted use acid.		:Spotted jellies don't divide. That's part of the cold passive attack, while spotted use acid.
	:As for brown mold, I cannot fathom a reason why they would be preferable. Jellies are amorphous and have more hit points. Any other advantage of a brown mold should also belong to the blue jelly. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 21:17, 26 September 2011 (UTC)		:As for brown mold, I cannot fathom a reason why they would be preferable. Jellies are amorphous and have more hit points. Any other advantage of a brown mold should also belong to the blue jelly. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 21:17, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
		+	:: Brown molds will deal less overall damage to you when you divide them, meaning the process can be completed faster. [[Special:Contributions/220.255.1.24\|220.255.1.24]] 07:52, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

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	* [[brown mold]] -- why?		* [[brown mold]] -- why?
	All of these will divide if they deal enough passive damage, including to other monsters under conflict. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 20:28, 26 September 2011 (UTC)		All of these will divide if they deal enough passive damage, including to other monsters under conflict. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 20:28, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
		+	:Spotted jellies don't divide. That's part of the cold passive attack, while spotted use acid.
		+	:As for brown mold, I cannot fathom a reason why they would be preferable. Jellies are amorphous and have more hit points. Any other advantage of a brown mold should also belong to the blue jelly. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 21:17, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

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 Editors seem to disagree which is the best monster for the jelly-and-boulder fort. Clearly, it should be sessile (CPU usage) and amorphous (to survive the [[scroll of earth]]).
-* [[spotted jellies]] have the most hit points of all candidates, in case you whack them accidentally.
+* [[spotted jellies]] have the most hit points of all candidates, for when you inevitably whack them accidentally.
 * [[blue jellies]] won't damage an intrinsically-resistant player,  have the second-most hit points, and are compatible with cone of cold. Popular choice.
 * [[brown mold]] -- why?
 All of these will divide if they deal enough passive damage, including to other monsters under conflict. --[[User:Tjr|Tjr]] 20:28, 26 September 2011 (UTC)