Talk:Amulet - Revision history

Tjr: Text replace - "nethack.wikia.com" to "nethackwiki.com"

2010-11-11T19:19:56Z

Text replace - "nethack.wikia.com" to "nethackwiki.com"

Tjr: /* Probabilities when use-testing should not include ESP */ new section

2010-10-24T21:37:23Z

‎Probabilities when use-testing should not include ESP: new section

Qazmlpok at 23:21, 30 September 2010

2010-09-30T23:21:22Z

FJH: /* Eatproof? */ new section

2010-09-30T23:12:36Z

‎Eatproof?: new section

Kalon: Eating "oStrangulation has some use...

2008-12-17T22:47:54Z

Eating "oStrangulation has *some* use...

69.20.237.100: /* Eating strangulation */ new section

2008-12-17T20:08:22Z

‎Eating strangulation: new section

91.43.65.53: amulets increase hunger?

2008-06-30T23:31:16Z

amulets increase hunger?

New page

Amulets don't increase hunger like Rings do? If not, please add a sentece to the article =)

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 == Probabilities when use-testing should not include ESP ==
-Somebody [http://nethack.wikia.com/index.php?title=Amulet&oldid=53259 "repaired"] the relative probabilities of of cursed and non-cursed amulets to include ESP in the unknowns. This does not make sense.
+Somebody [http://nethackwiki.com/index.php?title=Amulet&oldid=53259 "repaired"] the relative probabilities of of cursed and non-cursed amulets to include ESP in the unknowns. This does not make sense.
 It is necessary to test an uncursed amulet before use until its type is known, testing even for the harmful types. ESP is special because it can be reliably tested for in all cases, without resources, instantly, and even before curse-testing it. All other tests require some work: getting it out of the shop if necessary, testing for curses, then finding pools, or finding a ray type wand, eating a mimic, waiting 100 turns in a safe spot unless sleep resistant,  poisoning yourself unless resistant, and so on.
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 The probabilities are a guide what to test for first, and what to bank on if you have to gamble. In the wear-testing situation, it is already known whether the amulet is ESP. Formally, the displayed percentages are the conditional probabilities for the various types if the amulet's curse status is known and if it can be artifact-named.
-Of course, it is possible to compute the conditional probabilites on the curse status alone. An anonymous wiki editor [http://nethack.wikia.com/index.php?title=Amulet&oldid=53259 has even done that]. However, those are not the numbers that are most useful in real games, as played by the majority of all players. [[User:Tjr|Tjr]] 21:37, October 24, 2010 (UTC)
+Of course, it is possible to compute the conditional probabilites on the curse status alone. An anonymous wiki editor [http://nethackwiki.com/index.php?title=Amulet&oldid=53259 has even done that]. However, those are not the numbers that are most useful in real games, as played by the majority of all players. [[User:Tjr|Tjr]] 21:37, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

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	According to [[Eat.c]], you can't eat the Amulet of Yendor or any of its imitations ("nice try"). Can this be used against monsters who try to [[Engulf]] you? --[[User:FJH\|FJH]] 23:12, September 30, 2010 (UTC)		According to [[Eat.c]], you can't eat the Amulet of Yendor or any of its imitations ("nice try"). Can this be used against monsters who try to [[Engulf]] you? --[[User:FJH\|FJH]] 23:12, September 30, 2010 (UTC)
	:No, because digestion attacks and eating items are completely unrelated. The only piece of equipment that affects digestion is the ring of slow digestion; it can't be eaten regardless of what it is made of, digesters will spit you out if you are wearing it, and you will spit other monsters out if you polymorph into a digester while wearing the ring. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 23:21, September 30, 2010 (UTC)		:No, because digestion attacks and eating items are completely unrelated. The only piece of equipment that affects digestion is the ring of slow digestion; it can't be eaten regardless of what it is made of, digesters will spit you out if you are wearing it, and you will spit other monsters out if you polymorph into a digester while wearing the ring. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 23:21, September 30, 2010 (UTC)
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		+	== Probabilities when use-testing should not include ESP ==
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		+	Somebody [http://nethack.wikia.com/index.php?title=Amulet&oldid=53259 "repaired"] the relative probabilities of of cursed and non-cursed amulets to include ESP in the unknowns. This does not make sense.
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		+	It is necessary to test an uncursed amulet before use until its type is known, testing even for the harmful types. ESP is special because it can be reliably tested for in all cases, without resources, instantly, and even before curse-testing it. All other tests require some work: getting it out of the shop if necessary, testing for curses, then finding pools, or finding a ray type wand, eating a mimic, waiting 100 turns in a safe spot unless sleep resistant, poisoning yourself unless resistant, and so on.
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		+	The probabilities are a guide what to test for first, and what to bank on if you have to gamble. In the wear-testing situation, it is already known whether the amulet is ESP. Formally, the displayed percentages are the conditional probabilities for the various types if the amulet's curse status is known and if it can be artifact-named.
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		+	Of course, it is possible to compute the conditional probabilites on the curse status alone. An anonymous wiki editor [http://nethack.wikia.com/index.php?title=Amulet&oldid=53259 has even done that]. However, those are not the numbers that are most useful in real games, as played by the majority of all players. [[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 21:37, October 24, 2010 (UTC)

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	According to [[Eat.c]], you can't eat the Amulet of Yendor or any of its imitations ("nice try"). Can this be used against monsters who try to [[Engulf]] you? --[[User:FJH\|FJH]] 23:12, September 30, 2010 (UTC)		According to [[Eat.c]], you can't eat the Amulet of Yendor or any of its imitations ("nice try"). Can this be used against monsters who try to [[Engulf]] you? --[[User:FJH\|FJH]] 23:12, September 30, 2010 (UTC)
		+	:No, because digestion attacks and eating items are completely unrelated. The only piece of equipment that affects digestion is the ring of slow digestion; it can't be eaten regardless of what it is made of, digesters will spit you out if you are wearing it, and you will spit other monsters out if you polymorph into a digester while wearing the ring. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 23:21, September 30, 2010 (UTC)

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	Should an amulet of strangulation really be listed with the "EAT" property? According to its page, this causes you to immediately choke to death. [[Special:Contributions/69.20.237.100\|69.20.237.100]] 20:08, 17 December 2008 (UTC)		Should an amulet of strangulation really be listed with the "EAT" property? According to its page, this causes you to immediately choke to death. [[Special:Contributions/69.20.237.100\|69.20.237.100]] 20:08, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
	* Well, it is able to be eaten, so yes. Additionally, it does have some use - if you are a metallivore and are starving to death, you can munch on it and take you 1/5 chance of strangling but end up with 4/5 chance of gaining nutrition... -- [[User:Kalon\|Kalon]] 22:47, 17 December 2008 (UTC)		* Well, it is able to be eaten, so yes. Additionally, it does have some use - if you are a metallivore and are starving to death, you can munch on it and take you 1/5 chance of strangling but end up with 4/5 chance of gaining nutrition... -- [[User:Kalon\|Kalon]] 22:47, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
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		+	== Eatproof? ==
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		+	According to [[Eat.c]], you can't eat the Amulet of Yendor or any of its imitations ("nice try"). Can this be used against monsters who try to [[Engulf]] you? --[[User:FJH\|FJH]] 23:12, September 30, 2010 (UTC)

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	Should an amulet of strangulation really be listed with the "EAT" property? According to its page, this causes you to immediately choke to death. [[Special:Contributions/69.20.237.100\|69.20.237.100]] 20:08, 17 December 2008 (UTC)		Should an amulet of strangulation really be listed with the "EAT" property? According to its page, this causes you to immediately choke to death. [[Special:Contributions/69.20.237.100\|69.20.237.100]] 20:08, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
		+	* Well, it is able to be eaten, so yes. Additionally, it does have some use - if you are a metallivore and are starving to death, you can munch on it and take you 1/5 chance of strangling but end up with 4/5 chance of gaining nutrition... -- [[User:Kalon\|Kalon]] 22:47, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

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	Amulets don't increase hunger like Rings do? If not, please add a sentece to the article =)		Amulets don't increase hunger like Rings do? If not, please add a sentece to the article =)
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		+	== Eating strangulation ==
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		+	Should an amulet of strangulation really be listed with the "EAT" property? According to its page, this causes you to immediately choke to death. [[Special:Contributions/69.20.237.100\|69.20.237.100]] 20:08, 17 December 2008 (UTC)