Talk:Artifact - Revision history

Umbire the Phantom: /* Table update for 5.0.0 */

2026-05-31T18:39:30Z

Table update for 5.0.0

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	Far as your suggestion, I think the only quibble I'd have is that there's actually a good handful of non-quest artifacts that can be invoked, e.g. Sunsword, Demonbane, and I forget if the Brands also qualify. Beyond that, I'd be up for it pending anyone coming in with a better or similarly-viable idea. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 02:15, 29 May 2026 (UTC)		Far as your suggestion, I think the only quibble I'd have is that there's actually a good handful of non-quest artifacts that can be invoked, e.g. Sunsword, Demonbane, and I forget if the Brands also qualify. Beyond that, I'd be up for it pending anyone coming in with a better or similarly-viable idea. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 02:15, 29 May 2026 (UTC)

			:...honestly, now you're done I think that looks great at a casual glance - would just hold off on marking it as a 5.0.0 article but honestly that's a small quibble, do still have to update the refsrc stuff to match and trawl for commits. Thanks again!! --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 18:39, 31 May 2026 (UTC)

Umbire the Phantom: /* Table update for 5.0.0 */ reply

2026-05-29T02:15:59Z

Table update for 5.0.0: reply

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	* For the Quest artifacts, we omit the Intelligent column (they all are), and the Obtaining column (always the Quest), and add a column for the associated role.		* For the Quest artifacts, we omit the Intelligent column (they all are), and the Obtaining column (always the Quest), and add a column for the associated role.
	* For non-Quest artifacts, we add columns for Sac Value and Enchantment, and eliminate the Intelligent, Carried (always empty), and Invoke columns. Have one column simply called "Properties", which contains the existing Used info, and also calls out the very few that are intelligent or can be usefully invoked. I'm willing to do the work, but I just want to make sure no one disagrees so it isn't just undone. --[[User:Darth l33t\|Darth l33t]] ([[User talk:Darth l33t\|talk]]) 21:11, 28 May 2026 (UTC)		* For non-Quest artifacts, we add columns for Sac Value and Enchantment, and eliminate the Intelligent, Carried (always empty), and Invoke columns. Have one column simply called "Properties", which contains the existing Used info, and also calls out the very few that are intelligent or can be usefully invoked. I'm willing to do the work, but I just want to make sure no one disagrees so it isn't just undone. --[[User:Darth l33t\|Darth l33t]] ([[User talk:Darth l33t\|talk]]) 21:11, 28 May 2026 (UTC)

			:Yeah, this article in general has a cumbersome table situation and it's only compounded with the recent releases applying all the upcoming changes (most of which haven't even been covered properly). This is gonna take a long while to resolve in general, regardless of the route we go.

			Far as your suggestion, I think the only quibble I'd have is that there's actually a good handful of non-quest artifacts that can be invoked, e.g. Sunsword, Demonbane, and I forget if the Brands also qualify. Beyond that, I'd be up for it pending anyone coming in with a better or similarly-viable idea. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 02:15, 29 May 2026 (UTC)

Darth l33t: /* Table update for 5.0.0 */ new section

2026-05-28T21:11:12Z

Table update for 5.0.0: new section

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	:[[Quest artifact]] also has a redundant table. [[User:Furey\|Furey]] ([[User talk:Furey\|talk]]) 12:55, 1 June 2024 (UTC)		:[[Quest artifact]] also has a redundant table. [[User:Furey\|Furey]] ([[User talk:Furey\|talk]]) 12:55, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

			== Table update for 5.0.0 ==

			The table needs updating to hold the minimum sacrifice values, starting enchantment, and new properties. The table is already very large horizontally and vertically, and adding more columns is going to make it scroll horizontally off the screen. To make the page more manageable, I propose splitting the table into two, for Quest and non-Quest artifacts:
			* For the Quest artifacts, we omit the Intelligent column (they all are), and the Obtaining column (always the Quest), and add a column for the associated role.
			* For non-Quest artifacts, we add columns for Sac Value and Enchantment, and eliminate the Intelligent, Carried (always empty), and Invoke columns. Have one column simply called "Properties", which contains the existing Used info, and also calls out the very few that are intelligent or can be usefully invoked. I'm willing to do the work, but I just want to make sure no one disagrees so it isn't just undone. --[[User:Darth l33t\|Darth l33t]] ([[User talk:Darth l33t\|talk]]) 21:11, 28 May 2026 (UTC)

Furey: /* Merge Artifact weapon into this article */ quest artifact also has a redundant table.

2024-06-01T12:55:26Z

Merge Artifact weapon into this article: quest artifact also has a redundant table.

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	:An actual year, christ. Yeah, that's cause to pull the trigger then. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 05:42, 1 June 2024 (UTC)		:An actual year, christ. Yeah, that's cause to pull the trigger then. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 05:42, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

			:[[Quest artifact]] also has a redundant table. [[User:Furey\|Furey]] ([[User talk:Furey\|talk]]) 12:55, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Umbire the Phantom: reply

2024-06-01T05:42:32Z

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	I support a merge, for the benefit of removing redundancy. [[User:Furey\|Furey]] ([[User talk:Furey\|talk]]) 05:37, 1 June 2024 (UTC)		I support a merge, for the benefit of removing redundancy. [[User:Furey\|Furey]] ([[User talk:Furey\|talk]]) 05:37, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

			:An actual year, christ. Yeah, that's cause to pull the trigger then. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 05:42, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Furey: /* Merge Artifact weapon into this article */ I support a merge, for the benefit of removing redundancy.

2024-06-01T05:37:31Z

Merge Artifact weapon into this article: I support a merge, for the benefit of removing redundancy.

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	As [[User:Ion frigate]] mentioned, the second article is 90% redundant and 10% artifact damage calculations. Anyone have any agreements or disagreements they want to voice on the matter so we can decide on what to do? --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 14:10, 3 July 2023 (UTC)		As [[User:Ion frigate]] mentioned, the second article is 90% redundant and 10% artifact damage calculations. Anyone have any agreements or disagreements they want to voice on the matter so we can decide on what to do? --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 14:10, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

			I support a merge, for the benefit of removing redundancy. [[User:Furey\|Furey]] ([[User talk:Furey\|talk]]) 05:37, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Umbire the Phantom: /* Merge Artifact weapon into this article */ new section

2023-07-03T14:10:49Z

Merge Artifact weapon into this article: new section

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	Curious whether that means Tsurugi now reduces AC as well, or just gives MC +1 -- [[User:Shrikey\|Shrikey]] ([[User talk:Shrikey\|talk]]) 18:01, 11 December 2015 (UTC)		Curious whether that means Tsurugi now reduces AC as well, or just gives MC +1 -- [[User:Shrikey\|Shrikey]] ([[User talk:Shrikey\|talk]]) 18:01, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
	:No, just MC +1 :/ -- [[User:Shrikey\|Shrikey]] ([[User talk:Shrikey\|talk]]) 23:19, 11 December 2015 (UTC)		:No, just MC +1 :/ -- [[User:Shrikey\|Shrikey]] ([[User talk:Shrikey\|talk]]) 23:19, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

			== Merge [[Artifact weapon]] into this article ==

			As [[User:Ion frigate]] mentioned, the second article is 90% redundant and 10% artifact damage calculations. Anyone have any agreements or disagreements they want to voice on the matter so we can decide on what to do? --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 14:10, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

Shrikey: /* 3.6.0 artifact changes */

2015-12-11T23:19:16Z

3.6.0 artifact changes

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	*Mitre of Holiness and Tsurugi of Muramasa convey Protection when worn/wielded		*Mitre of Holiness and Tsurugi of Muramasa convey Protection when worn/wielded
	Curious whether that means Tsurugi now reduces AC as well, or just gives MC +1 -- [[User:Shrikey\|Shrikey]] ([[User talk:Shrikey\|talk]]) 18:01, 11 December 2015 (UTC)		Curious whether that means Tsurugi now reduces AC as well, or just gives MC +1 -- [[User:Shrikey\|Shrikey]] ([[User talk:Shrikey\|talk]]) 18:01, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
			:No, just MC +1 :/ -- [[User:Shrikey\|Shrikey]] ([[User talk:Shrikey\|talk]]) 23:19, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

Shrikey: /* 3.6.0 artifact changes */ new section

2015-12-11T18:01:08Z

3.6.0 artifact changes: new section

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	:Ignore it. If it can be used against you (vorbal blade especially) you may wish to bury it or store it in an Elbereth'd container simply to prevent monsters from using it. But if neither you nor monsters have any special use for it, just leave it on the ground. You could sell it, but I'd argue that the gold you get from it would only be useful in the earliest portion of the game. A few light and expensive artifacts are actually good for credit cloning, however. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] ([[User talk:Qazmlpok\|talk]]) 11:28, 17 June 2012 (UTC)		:Ignore it. If it can be used against you (vorbal blade especially) you may wish to bury it or store it in an Elbereth'd container simply to prevent monsters from using it. But if neither you nor monsters have any special use for it, just leave it on the ground. You could sell it, but I'd argue that the gold you get from it would only be useful in the earliest portion of the game. A few light and expensive artifacts are actually good for credit cloning, however. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] ([[User talk:Qazmlpok\|talk]]) 11:28, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
	::See also [[Score#How_to_maximize_score\|here]] for which artifacts are worth ascending with, for the extra score. But keep in mind two things: firstly, those with a high enough value-to-weight ratio are generally desirable in the first place, and secondly, the effect on your score is pretty small for a usual game. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] ([[User talk:Ion frigate\|talk]]) 14:44, 17 June 2012 (UTC)		::See also [[Score#How_to_maximize_score\|here]] for which artifacts are worth ascending with, for the extra score. But keep in mind two things: firstly, those with a high enough value-to-weight ratio are generally desirable in the first place, and secondly, the effect on your score is pretty small for a usual game. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] ([[User talk:Ion frigate\|talk]]) 14:44, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

			== 3.6.0 artifact changes ==

			I'm not a wiki magician, but noticed these notes hadn't been mentioned anywhere yet, if someone else wants to handle it:
			*Eye of the Aethiopica, Eyes of the Overworld, and Sceptre of Might must be worn or wielded rather than just carried to convey magic resistance
			*Mitre of Holiness and Tsurugi of Muramasa convey Protection when worn/wielded
			Curious whether that means Tsurugi now reduces AC as well, or just gives MC +1 -- [[User:Shrikey\|Shrikey]] ([[User talk:Shrikey\|talk]]) 18:01, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

Ion frigate: /* Then what the hell DO we do with them? */

2012-06-17T14:44:43Z

Then what the hell DO we do with them?

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	The page suggests that selling artifacts is a chump's game, with shopkeepers underpaying and overcharging for such things. But, if you're in a situation where you're a well-armed combat wombat and you happen across a junk artifact ([[Ogresmasher]] was the one I happened across earlier today), what else should a person do with it? I'm certainly not going to wield it, and carrying it around is just making it harder not to be burdened. Is there an optimal strategy for what to do with useless artifacts? [[User:Delbow\|Delbow]] ([[User talk:Delbow\|talk]]) 06:01, 17 June 2012 (UTC)		The page suggests that selling artifacts is a chump's game, with shopkeepers underpaying and overcharging for such things. But, if you're in a situation where you're a well-armed combat wombat and you happen across a junk artifact ([[Ogresmasher]] was the one I happened across earlier today), what else should a person do with it? I'm certainly not going to wield it, and carrying it around is just making it harder not to be burdened. Is there an optimal strategy for what to do with useless artifacts? [[User:Delbow\|Delbow]] ([[User talk:Delbow\|talk]]) 06:01, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
	:Ignore it. If it can be used against you (vorbal blade especially) you may wish to bury it or store it in an Elbereth'd container simply to prevent monsters from using it. But if neither you nor monsters have any special use for it, just leave it on the ground. You could sell it, but I'd argue that the gold you get from it would only be useful in the earliest portion of the game. A few light and expensive artifacts are actually good for credit cloning, however. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] ([[User talk:Qazmlpok\|talk]]) 11:28, 17 June 2012 (UTC)		:Ignore it. If it can be used against you (vorbal blade especially) you may wish to bury it or store it in an Elbereth'd container simply to prevent monsters from using it. But if neither you nor monsters have any special use for it, just leave it on the ground. You could sell it, but I'd argue that the gold you get from it would only be useful in the earliest portion of the game. A few light and expensive artifacts are actually good for credit cloning, however. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] ([[User talk:Qazmlpok\|talk]]) 11:28, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
			::See also [[Score#How_to_maximize_score\|here]] for which artifacts are worth ascending with, for the extra score. But keep in mind two things: firstly, those with a high enough value-to-weight ratio are generally desirable in the first place, and secondly, the effect on your score is pretty small for a usual game. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] ([[User talk:Ion frigate\|talk]]) 14:44, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

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	The page suggests that selling artifacts is a chump's game, with shopkeepers underpaying and overcharging for such things. But, if you're in a situation where you're a well-armed combat wombat and you happen across a junk artifact ([[Ogresmasher]] was the one I happened across earlier today), what else should a person do with it? I'm certainly not going to wield it, and carrying it around is just making it harder not to be burdened. Is there an optimal strategy for what to do with useless artifacts? [[User:Delbow\|Delbow]] ([[User talk:Delbow\|talk]]) 06:01, 17 June 2012 (UTC)		The page suggests that selling artifacts is a chump's game, with shopkeepers underpaying and overcharging for such things. But, if you're in a situation where you're a well-armed combat wombat and you happen across a junk artifact ([[Ogresmasher]] was the one I happened across earlier today), what else should a person do with it? I'm certainly not going to wield it, and carrying it around is just making it harder not to be burdened. Is there an optimal strategy for what to do with useless artifacts? [[User:Delbow\|Delbow]] ([[User talk:Delbow\|talk]]) 06:01, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
	:Ignore it. If it can be used against you (vorbal blade especially) you may wish to bury it or store it in an Elbereth'd container simply to prevent monsters from using it. But if neither you nor monsters have any special use for it, just leave it on the ground. You could sell it, but I'd argue that the gold you get from it would only be useful in the earliest portion of the game. A few light and expensive artifacts are actually good for credit cloning, however. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] ([[User talk:Qazmlpok\|talk]]) 11:28, 17 June 2012 (UTC)		:Ignore it. If it can be used against you (vorbal blade especially) you may wish to bury it or store it in an Elbereth'd container simply to prevent monsters from using it. But if neither you nor monsters have any special use for it, just leave it on the ground. You could sell it, but I'd argue that the gold you get from it would only be useful in the earliest portion of the game. A few light and expensive artifacts are actually good for credit cloning, however. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] ([[User talk:Qazmlpok\|talk]]) 11:28, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
			::See also [[Score#How_to_maximize_score\|here]] for which artifacts are worth ascending with, for the extra score. But keep in mind two things: firstly, those with a high enough value-to-weight ratio are generally desirable in the first place, and secondly, the effect on your score is pretty small for a usual game. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] ([[User talk:Ion frigate\|talk]]) 14:44, 17 June 2012 (UTC)