Talk:Conflict - Revision history

Emdoub: /* Only line of sight? Are we sure about that? */

2019-09-17T06:41:45Z

‎Only line of sight? Are we sure about that?

Luxidream at 16:21, 16 September 2019

2019-09-16T16:21:51Z

Luxidream at 16:21, 16 September 2019

2019-09-16T16:21:30Z

Luxidream at 16:20, 16 September 2019

2019-09-16T16:20:14Z

Emdoub: /* Only line of sight? Are we sure about that? */

2019-09-15T19:21:17Z

‎Only line of sight? Are we sure about that?

Bluescreenofdeath: /* Only line of sight? Are we sure about that? */

2019-09-15T15:20:55Z

‎Only line of sight? Are we sure about that?

Emdoub: /* Only line of sight? Are we sure about that? */ new section

2019-09-14T16:08:21Z

‎Only line of sight? Are we sure about that?: new section

Throwaway123: /* Conflict prevents wand use? */ new section

2018-07-28T23:34:48Z

‎Conflict prevents wand use?: new section

Kha: /* Conflict and Ft. Ludios */ new section

2018-04-17T13:38:43Z

‎Conflict and Ft. Ludios: new section

Tjr: Created page with "==Blind monsters== As I read the source, the call to Source:Ref/couldsee only checks if monsters are in your line of sight, and not if you (let alone the monster) is blind or..."

2011-01-15T23:59:24Z

Created page with "==Blind monsters== As I read the source, the call to Source:Ref/couldsee only checks if monsters are in your line of sight, and not if you (let alone the monster) is blind or..."

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==Blind monsters==
As I read the source, the call to [[Source:Ref/couldsee]] only checks if monsters are in your line of sight, and not if you (let alone the monster) is blind or blinded. So blind monsters should be affected by conflict, and monsters behind walls but seen with the eyes of the overworld should also. --[[User:Tjr|Tjr]] 23:59, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

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	From the source. Some quick wizard mode testing confirms that this doesn't work. --[[User:Luxidream\|Luxidream]] ([[User talk:Luxidream\|talk]]) 16:20, 16 September 2019 (UTC)		From the source. Some quick wizard mode testing confirms that this doesn't work. --[[User:Luxidream\|Luxidream]] ([[User talk:Luxidream\|talk]]) 16:20, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
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		+	Okay - I guess that I've been misinterpreting the "You hear noises" message - not the first thing I've been mistaken about in these games. Thanks for clearing that up.
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		+	——[[User:Emdoub\|Emdoub]] ([[User talk:Emdoub\|talk]]) 06:41, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

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   *  	    if (couldsee(mtmp->mx,mtmp->my) &&
   *  		(distu(mtmp->mx,mtmp->my) <= BOLT_LIM*BOLT_LIM) &&
-							fightm(mtmp))
+ *  							fightm(mtmp))
   *  couldsee()	- Returns true if the hero has a clear line of sight to

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 ——[[User:Emdoub|Emdoub]] ([[User talk:Emdoub|talk]]) 19:20, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
 :if (Conflict && !mtmp->iswiz && mtmp->mcansee) {
-	    /* Note:
+ *  if (Conflict && !mtmp->iswiz && mtmp->mcansee) {
-	     *  Conflict does not take effect in the first round.
+ *  	    /* Note:
-	     *  Therefore, A monster when stepping into the area will
+ *  	     *  Conflict does not take effect in the first round.
-	     *  get to swing at you.
+ *  	     *  Therefore, A monster when stepping into the area will
+ *  	     *  get to swing at you.
-	     *  The call to fightm() must be _last_.  The monster might
+ *  	     *
-	     *  have died if it returns 1.
+ *  	     *  The call to fightm() must be _last_.  The monster might
-	     */
+ *  	     *  have died if it returns 1.
-	    if (couldsee(mtmp->mx,mtmp->my) &&
+ *  	     */
-		(distu(mtmp->mx,mtmp->my) <= BOLT_LIM*BOLT_LIM) &&
+ *  	    if (couldsee(mtmp->mx,mtmp->my) &&
 							fightm(mtmp))

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	——[[User:Emdoub\|Emdoub]] ([[User talk:Emdoub\|talk]]) 19:20, 15 September 2019 (UTC)		——[[User:Emdoub\|Emdoub]] ([[User talk:Emdoub\|talk]]) 19:20, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
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		+	:if (Conflict && !mtmp->iswiz && mtmp->mcansee) {
		+	/* Note:
		+	* Conflict does not take effect in the first round.
		+	* Therefore, A monster when stepping into the area will
		+	* get to swing at you.
		+	*
		+	* The call to fightm() must be _last_. The monster might
		+	* have died if it returns 1.
		+	*/
		+	if (couldsee(mtmp->mx,mtmp->my) &&
		+	(distu(mtmp->mx,mtmp->my) <= BOLT_LIM*BOLT_LIM) &&
		+	fightm(mtmp))
		+
		+	* couldsee() - Returns true if the hero has a clear line of sight to
		+	* the location.
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		+	From the source. Some quick wizard mode testing confirms that this doesn't work. --[[User:Luxidream\|Luxidream]] ([[User talk:Luxidream\|talk]]) 16:20, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

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	——[[User:Emdoub\|Emdoub]] ([[User talk:Emdoub\|talk]]) 16:08, 14 September 2019 (UTC)		——[[User:Emdoub\|Emdoub]] ([[User talk:Emdoub\|talk]]) 16:08, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
	:My guess would be that there just needs a clear path between you and the monster, i.e. no walls or other hard obstacles in between. It's Sporkhack where it definitely works on currently visible monsters only. --[[User:Bluescreenofdeath\|Bluescreenofdeath]] ([[User talk:Bluescreenofdeath\|talk]]) 15:20, 15 September 2019 (UTC)		:My guess would be that there just needs a clear path between you and the monster, i.e. no walls or other hard obstacles in between. It's Sporkhack where it definitely works on currently visible monsters only. --[[User:Bluescreenofdeath\|Bluescreenofdeath]] ([[User talk:Bluescreenofdeath\|talk]]) 15:20, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
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		+	I'm sorry I was unclear - this has seemed to work (i.e., I get the "You hear noises" message) while I am in the corridor outside of the Sokoban treasure zoo with the door closed, and while I am in an adjacent room in the Master Assassin's level with an undiggable wall between my character and the monsters. If there are cockatrices in the treasure zoo, they have already created several statues when I first open the door.
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		+	——[[User:Emdoub\|Emdoub]] ([[User talk:Emdoub\|talk]]) 19:20, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

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		+	:My guess would be that there just needs a clear path between you and the monster, i.e. no walls or other hard obstacles in between. It's Sporkhack where it definitely works on currently visible monsters only. --[[User:Bluescreenofdeath\|Bluescreenofdeath]] ([[User talk:Bluescreenofdeath\|talk]]) 15:20, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

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	If you wear conflict then a (non-hostile) shopkeeper will hit you but will not zap his wands. Is this true of all wand-wielding monsters? It should be mentioned in the article anyway. [[User:Throwaway123\|Throwaway123]] ([[User talk:Throwaway123\|talk]]) 23:34, 28 July 2018 (UTC)		If you wear conflict then a (non-hostile) shopkeeper will hit you but will not zap his wands. Is this true of all wand-wielding monsters? It should be mentioned in the article anyway. [[User:Throwaway123\|Throwaway123]] ([[User talk:Throwaway123\|talk]]) 23:34, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
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		+	== Only line of sight? Are we sure about that? ==
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		+	I've used a ring of conflict to soften up the monsters in David's Treasure Zoo at the top of Sokoban and in the Master Assassin's level of the Rogue Quest for years - the usual message is: "You hear noises". This seems to work when I'm on the other side of a wall, and can only see the monsters with ESP and a blindfold. I've used this tactic successfully in both Nethack and Slash'em.
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		+	——[[User:Emdoub\|Emdoub]] ([[User talk:Emdoub\|talk]]) 16:08, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

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	--[[User:Kha\|Kha]] ([[User talk:Kha\|talk]]) 13:38, 17 April 2018 (UTC)Be careful using Conflict at Fort Ludios if there are Cockatrices present.		--[[User:Kha\|Kha]] ([[User talk:Kha\|talk]]) 13:38, 17 April 2018 (UTC)Be careful using Conflict at Fort Ludios if there are Cockatrices present.
	Being stoned by a rubber chicken wielded by a Soldier is a stupid way of dying if the danger can be predicted and avoided.		Being stoned by a rubber chicken wielded by a Soldier is a stupid way of dying if the danger can be predicted and avoided.
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		+	== Conflict prevents wand use? ==
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		+	If you wear conflict then a (non-hostile) shopkeeper will hit you but will not zap his wands. Is this true of all wand-wielding monsters? It should be mentioned in the article anyway. [[User:Throwaway123\|Throwaway123]] ([[User talk:Throwaway123\|talk]]) 23:34, 28 July 2018 (UTC)

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	==Blind monsters==		==Blind monsters==
	As I read the source, the call to [[Source:Ref/couldsee]] only checks if monsters are in your line of sight, and not if you (let alone the monster) is blind or blinded. So blind monsters should be affected by conflict, and monsters behind walls but seen with the eyes of the overworld should also. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 23:59, 15 January 2011 (UTC)		As I read the source, the call to [[Source:Ref/couldsee]] only checks if monsters are in your line of sight, and not if you (let alone the monster) is blind or blinded. So blind monsters should be affected by conflict, and monsters behind walls but seen with the eyes of the overworld should also. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 23:59, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
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		+	== Conflict and Ft. Ludios ==
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		+	--[[User:Kha\|Kha]] ([[User talk:Kha\|talk]]) 13:38, 17 April 2018 (UTC)Be careful using Conflict at Fort Ludios if there are Cockatrices present.
		+	Being stoned by a rubber chicken wielded by a Soldier is a stupid way of dying if the danger can be predicted and avoided.