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 : Once you can get that kind of gear, can't you just stand on the stairs up, burn Elbereth / drop scare monster, and beat him with a sock? [[User:Tjr|Tjr]] 16:18, October 22, 2010 (UTC)
 ::Yes. Of course. For the most part, I don't even use the sock; most of the time I've encountered him I just wait for him to summon a black dragon and wait for him to get disintegrated. Isn't a player going to have this level of gear by the time they encounter Demogorgon? I'm pretty sure the only way you could encounter Demogorgon before Gehennom is from Yeenoghu or Juiblex, and those two are already extremely rare outside of Gehennom. The level of gear I mentioned is actually worse than what I normally have when I enter Gehennom, although I also tend to over-prepare. -- [[User:Qazmlpok|Qazmlpok]] 16:39, October 22, 2010 (UTC)
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 I was on Demogorgon's Slashem level and was about to die.  I jumped into the water (I am wearing gauntlets of swimming).  Demogorgon will teleport next to you while you are underwater but he did not ever attack.  This gives you the opportunity to attack Demogorgon yet he will notattack you. He will teleport away as usual after you attack him.[[User:Ndwolfwood|Ndwolfwood]] 22:39, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

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	:I'm also annoyed by the fact that I could probably think of five other 'quirkier' phrases that I've left intact or else written in myself. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 08:23, 17 February 2020 (UTC)		:I'm also annoyed by the fact that I could probably think of five other 'quirkier' phrases that I've left intact or else written in myself. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 08:23, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

−	:: Oops, I should have written "more tolerant". Sorry to have caused annoyance -- the opposite was my intention. [[User:Netzhack\|Netzhack]] ([[User talk:Netzhack\|talk]]) 10:57, 17 February 2020 (UTC)	+	:: Oops, I should have written "''more'' tolerant". Sorry to have caused annoyance -- the opposite was my intention. [[User:Netzhack\|Netzhack]] ([[User talk:Netzhack\|talk]]) 10:57, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

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	:I'm also annoyed by the fact that I could probably think of five other 'quirkier' phrases that I've left intact or else written in myself. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 08:23, 17 February 2020 (UTC)		:I'm also annoyed by the fact that I could probably think of five other 'quirkier' phrases that I've left intact or else written in myself. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 08:23, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
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		+	:: Oops, I should have written "more tolerant". Sorry to have caused annoyance -- the opposite was my intention. [[User:Netzhack\|Netzhack]] ([[User talk:Netzhack\|talk]]) 10:57, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

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	:While I'm glad you can at least intuit my perspective, I'm still annoyed at this idea that I must necessarily be intolerant against any kind of whimsical or non-encyclopedic phrasing within a given article - in terms of phrasing something to be understandable to the average reader, I just go with what reads better to me personally. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 08:21, 17 February 2020 (UTC)		:While I'm glad you can at least intuit my perspective, I'm still annoyed at this idea that I must necessarily be intolerant against any kind of whimsical or non-encyclopedic phrasing within a given article - in terms of phrasing something to be understandable to the average reader, I just go with what reads better to me personally. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 08:21, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
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		+	:I'm also annoyed by the fact that I could probably think of five other 'quirkier' phrases that I've left intact or else written in myself. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 08:23, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

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	Thanks [[User:Netzhack\|Netzhack]] :) [[User:Wikid\|Wikid]] ([[User talk:Wikid\|talk]]) 08:17, 17 February 2020 (UTC)		Thanks [[User:Netzhack\|Netzhack]] :) [[User:Wikid\|Wikid]] ([[User talk:Wikid\|talk]]) 08:17, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
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		+	:While I'm glad you can at least intuit my perspective, I'm still annoyed at this idea that I must necessarily be intolerant against any kind of whimsical or non-encyclopedic phrasing within a given article - in terms of phrasing something to be understandable to the average reader, I just go with what reads better to me personally. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 08:21, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

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	Just so as not to leave you two feeling you're all alone, a third-party opinion. I'm glad to see both of you are concerned with the editorial quality of the wiki. I've been watching some of Umbire's edits for a while, and while I don't agree with every single word, I have to say they're a competent editor, something lots of pages have been in need of for a long time. I also empathize with the nostalgia, though, and understand that some nice things get lost in editing, especially in the context of a very tradition-filled pastime like Nethack. These two things said, on the one side and the other, I would like to encourage Wikid to take the broad view and be glad the overall quality is going upwards, and I would like to encourage Umbire to be tolerant here and there of the non-encyclopedic, we're-all-in-it-for-fun tone that often pops up in this particular wiki. [[User:Netzhack\|Netzhack]] ([[User talk:Netzhack\|talk]]) 08:06, 17 February 2020 (UTC)		Just so as not to leave you two feeling you're all alone, a third-party opinion. I'm glad to see both of you are concerned with the editorial quality of the wiki. I've been watching some of Umbire's edits for a while, and while I don't agree with every single word, I have to say they're a competent editor, something lots of pages have been in need of for a long time. I also empathize with the nostalgia, though, and understand that some nice things get lost in editing, especially in the context of a very tradition-filled pastime like Nethack. These two things said, on the one side and the other, I would like to encourage Wikid to take the broad view and be glad the overall quality is going upwards, and I would like to encourage Umbire to be tolerant here and there of the non-encyclopedic, we're-all-in-it-for-fun tone that often pops up in this particular wiki. [[User:Netzhack\|Netzhack]] ([[User talk:Netzhack\|talk]]) 08:06, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
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		+	Thanks [[User:Netzhack\|Netzhack]] :) [[User:Wikid\|Wikid]] ([[User talk:Wikid\|talk]]) 08:17, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

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	Fine. [[User:Wikid\|Wikid]] ([[User talk:Wikid\|talk]]) 03:50, 17 February 2020 (UTC)		Fine. [[User:Wikid\|Wikid]] ([[User talk:Wikid\|talk]]) 03:50, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
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		+	Just so as not to leave you two feeling you're all alone, a third-party opinion. I'm glad to see both of you are concerned with the editorial quality of the wiki. I've been watching some of Umbire's edits for a while, and while I don't agree with every single word, I have to say they're a competent editor, something lots of pages have been in need of for a long time. I also empathize with the nostalgia, though, and understand that some nice things get lost in editing, especially in the context of a very tradition-filled pastime like Nethack. These two things said, on the one side and the other, I would like to encourage Wikid to take the broad view and be glad the overall quality is going upwards, and I would like to encourage Umbire to be tolerant here and there of the non-encyclopedic, we're-all-in-it-for-fun tone that often pops up in this particular wiki. [[User:Netzhack\|Netzhack]] ([[User talk:Netzhack\|talk]]) 08:06, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

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	:Also, singular "they" suffices when referring to someone whose gender isn't known to you. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 03:44, 17 February 2020 (UTC)		:Also, singular "they" suffices when referring to someone whose gender isn't known to you. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 03:44, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
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		+	Fine. [[User:Wikid\|Wikid]] ([[User talk:Wikid\|talk]]) 03:50, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

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	:[http://www.softschools.com/examples/fallacies/appeal_to_tradition_examples/487/ "It went unchanged for 10+ years" is not a valid argument.] Try again. I also doubt this wiki's qualities will languish for lack of a single line, [[Lessons learned the hard way\|especially in terms of quirkiness.]] --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 03:40, 17 February 2020 (UTC)		:[http://www.softschools.com/examples/fallacies/appeal_to_tradition_examples/487/ "It went unchanged for 10+ years" is not a valid argument.] Try again. I also doubt this wiki's qualities will languish for lack of a single line, [[Lessons learned the hard way\|especially in terms of quirkiness.]] --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 03:40, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
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		+	:Also, singular "they" suffices when referring to someone whose gender isn't known to you. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 03:44, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

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	You've got a point there, McCauley specialised in verbiage. But he / she / they didn't warm to "merciless editing" either. The text "Demogorgon will be along eventually" came in with [[User:Ckbryant\|Ckbryant's]] Revision as of 17:09, 24 January 2008. It said "Conversely, if you ''want'' to meet Demogorgon, perhaps as the ultimate demonstration of your demon-hunting prowess, then let Orcus spend all the time he wants bouncing death rays off of your [[shield of reflection]]. Demogorgon will be along eventually." That writing was entertaining, and it served for more than a decade. Were you on the wiki in 2008? It doesn't matter if you can say the same in less words. You've just removed some of the quirkiness that gave this place its appeal. [[User:Wikid\|Wikid]] ([[User talk:Wikid\|talk]]) 03:36, 17 February 2020 (UTC)		You've got a point there, McCauley specialised in verbiage. But he / she / they didn't warm to "merciless editing" either. The text "Demogorgon will be along eventually" came in with [[User:Ckbryant\|Ckbryant's]] Revision as of 17:09, 24 January 2008. It said "Conversely, if you ''want'' to meet Demogorgon, perhaps as the ultimate demonstration of your demon-hunting prowess, then let Orcus spend all the time he wants bouncing death rays off of your [[shield of reflection]]. Demogorgon will be along eventually." That writing was entertaining, and it served for more than a decade. Were you on the wiki in 2008? It doesn't matter if you can say the same in less words. You've just removed some of the quirkiness that gave this place its appeal. [[User:Wikid\|Wikid]] ([[User talk:Wikid\|talk]]) 03:36, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
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		+	:[http://www.softschools.com/examples/fallacies/appeal_to_tradition_examples/487/ "It went unchanged for 10+ years" is not a valid argument.] Try again. I also doubt this wiki's qualities will languish for lack of a single line, [[Lessons learned the hard way\|especially in terms of quirkiness.]] --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 03:40, 17 February 2020 (UTC)