Talk:Doppelganger (starting race) - Revision history

Umbire the Phantom at 02:45, 25 September 2021

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Umbire the Phantom at 02:28, 25 September 2021

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Umbire the Phantom: /* Maximum statistics */

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‎Maximum statistics

Actual-nh: /* Maximum statistics */ Clarify

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‎Maximum statistics: Clarify

Umbire the Phantom at 22:56, 22 September 2021

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Actual-nh: /* Maximum statistics */

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Actual-nh: /* Maximum statistics */ new section

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120.150.246.200 at 14:38, 21 July 2013

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Qazmlpok: /* Protection? */

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 Doppleganger appears to have a bug when combined with Flame or Ice mages. Attempting to #youpoly after level 7 will gain the prompt 'take your draconic form?' (or such). You can click 'y' and turn into the red/white dragon or 'n' and... not polymorph at all. That caused me quite some disappointment after many hours invested just now, but i'm not quite confident enough about the details to edit the main entry... if someone more knowledgeable might be willing to confirm via the code? ~Aerach
-years later, I've encountered the same and I'm currently taking a look at it myself. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom|talk]]) 02:28, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
+years later, I've encountered the same and I'm currently taking a look at it myself. [https://github.com/k21971/SlashEM/blob/8d5529799ad7ef36ed1eeca00f67a1d65c8e9c53/src/polyself.c#L1740 This is the line] where the code that governs racial self-poly for doppelgangers starts, and 1668 above handles role-based self-poly. My wager is the order of the code locks doppel Flame and Ice Mages out of the racial self-poly - whether or not it's intended behavior, I can't say. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom|talk]]) 02:44, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
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	Doppleganger appears to have a bug when combined with Flame or Ice mages. Attempting to #youpoly after level 7 will gain the prompt 'take your draconic form?' (or such). You can click 'y' and turn into the red/white dragon or 'n' and... not polymorph at all. That caused me quite some disappointment after many hours invested just now, but i'm not quite confident enough about the details to edit the main entry... if someone more knowledgeable might be willing to confirm via the code? ~Aerach		Doppleganger appears to have a bug when combined with Flame or Ice mages. Attempting to #youpoly after level 7 will gain the prompt 'take your draconic form?' (or such). You can click 'y' and turn into the red/white dragon or 'n' and... not polymorph at all. That caused me quite some disappointment after many hours invested just now, but i'm not quite confident enough about the details to edit the main entry... if someone more knowledgeable might be willing to confirm via the code? ~Aerach
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		+	8 years later, I've encountered the same and I'm currently taking a look at it myself. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 02:28, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

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	: "if your strength was 15 (max 16), and your max strength went up to 18, your new strength would be 18 * 15/16" - I can understand referring to the maximum attribute the character has ever had as a "max", except for it changing. -[[User:Actual-nh\|Actual-nh]] ([[User talk:Actual-nh\|talk]]) 23:11, 22 September 2021 (UTC)		: "if your strength was 15 (max 16), and your max strength went up to 18, your new strength would be 18 * 15/16" - I can understand referring to the maximum attribute the character has ever had as a "max", except for it changing. -[[User:Actual-nh\|Actual-nh]] ([[User talk:Actual-nh\|talk]]) 23:11, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
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		+	:Attributes can be lowered through abuse, poison, etc. and can be restored to their previous peaks via restore ability. Polymorphing into your own race changes your attributes based on the current and peak stat for each one. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 23:26, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

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	Because they're discussing current attributes, not racial maximums. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 22:56, 22 September 2021 (UTC)		Because they're discussing current attributes, not racial maximums. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 22:56, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
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		+	: "if your strength was 15 (max 16), and your max strength went up to 18, your new strength would be 18 * 15/16" - I can understand referring to the maximum attribute the character has ever had as a "max", except for it changing. -[[User:Actual-nh\|Actual-nh]] ([[User talk:Actual-nh\|talk]]) 23:11, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

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	Near the top of the page is the doppelganger maximum statistics. But under "feeling like a new doppelganger", it talks about "old" and "new" maximums. How do these get changed? -[[User:Actual-nh\|Actual-nh]] ([[User talk:Actual-nh\|talk]]) 22:53, 22 September 2021 (UTC)		Near the top of the page is the doppelganger maximum statistics. But under "feeling like a new doppelganger", it talks about "old" and "new" maximums. How do these get changed? -[[User:Actual-nh\|Actual-nh]] ([[User talk:Actual-nh\|talk]]) 22:53, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
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		+	Because they're discussing current attributes, not racial maximums. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 22:56, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

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	== Maximum statistics ==		== Maximum statistics ==

−	Near the top of the page is the doppelganger maximum statistics. But under "feeling like a new doppelganger", it talks about "old" and "new" maximums. -[[User:Actual-nh\|Actual-nh]] ([[User talk:Actual-nh\|talk]]) 22:53, 22 September 2021 (UTC)	+	Near the top of the page is the doppelganger maximum statistics. But under "feeling like a new doppelganger", it talks about "old" and "new" maximums. How do these get changed? -[[User:Actual-nh\|Actual-nh]] ([[User talk:Actual-nh\|talk]]) 22:53, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

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	Is it just me, or do these get intrinsic protection? [[Special:Contributions/99.167.105.112\|99.167.105.112]] 00:55, 3 September 2011 (UTC)		Is it just me, or do these get intrinsic protection? [[Special:Contributions/99.167.105.112\|99.167.105.112]] 00:55, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
	:They do. So do monks, and they stack. If you aren't wearing any body armor (monks can wear robes, doppelgangers cannot), doppelgangers and lycanthopes get '1 + xp / 4' bonus points to AC. Monks get '2 + xp/2', capped at 11. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 01:25, 3 September 2011 (UTC)		:They do. So do monks, and they stack. If you aren't wearing any body armor (monks can wear robes, doppelgangers cannot), doppelgangers and lycanthopes get '1 + xp / 4' bonus points to AC. Monks get '2 + xp/2', capped at 11. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 01:25, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
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		+	== Maximum statistics ==
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		+	Near the top of the page is the doppelganger maximum statistics. But under "feeling like a new doppelganger", it talks about "old" and "new" maximums. -[[User:Actual-nh\|Actual-nh]] ([[User talk:Actual-nh\|talk]]) 22:53, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

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		+	Doppleganger appears to have a bug when combined with Flame or Ice mages. Attempting to #youpoly after level 7 will gain the prompt 'take your draconic form?' (or such). You can click 'y' and turn into the red/white dragon or 'n' and... not polymorph at all. That caused me quite some disappointment after many hours invested just now, but i'm not quite confident enough about the details to edit the main entry... if someone more knowledgeable might be willing to confirm via the code? ~Aerach
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	== Awesome? ==		== Awesome? ==

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	Is it just me, or do these get intrinsic protection? [[Special:Contributions/99.167.105.112\|99.167.105.112]] 00:55, 3 September 2011 (UTC)		Is it just me, or do these get intrinsic protection? [[Special:Contributions/99.167.105.112\|99.167.105.112]] 00:55, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
		+	:They do. So do monks, and they stack. If you aren't wearing any body armor (monks can wear robes, doppelgangers cannot), doppelgangers and lycanthopes get '1 + xp / 4' bonus points to AC. Monks get '2 + xp/2', capped at 11. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 01:25, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

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	Whilst I agree that the Doppelganger is over-powered, the reasoning for high stats becomes apparent in the middle game... Failed polymorphs. As a Doppelganger, polymorphing regularly is normal, and there is always a chance when polymorphing that it will result in feeling like a new Doppelganger, which modifies stats. So where a late game human usually enjoys all stats at 18 or so, a Doppelganger may have a couple of 20s, but 16s are not uncommon either. [[Special:Contributions/124.150.127.11\|124.150.127.11]] 03:08, April 2, 2010 (UTC)		Whilst I agree that the Doppelganger is over-powered, the reasoning for high stats becomes apparent in the middle game... Failed polymorphs. As a Doppelganger, polymorphing regularly is normal, and there is always a chance when polymorphing that it will result in feeling like a new Doppelganger, which modifies stats. So where a late game human usually enjoys all stats at 18 or so, a Doppelganger may have a couple of 20s, but 16s are not uncommon either. [[Special:Contributions/124.150.127.11\|124.150.127.11]] 03:08, April 2, 2010 (UTC)
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		+	== Protection? ==
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		+	Is it just me, or do these get intrinsic protection? [[Special:Contributions/99.167.105.112\|99.167.105.112]] 00:55, 3 September 2011 (UTC)