Talk:Dragon scale mail - Revision history

Darth l33t: /* Making scale mail from the scales mistake? */

2021-08-12T14:32:54Z

‎Making scale mail from the scales mistake?

Const: /* Making scale mail from the scales mistake? */

2021-08-12T10:17:23Z

‎Making scale mail from the scales mistake?

Const: /* Making scale mail from the scales mistake? */ new section

2021-08-12T10:16:42Z

‎Making scale mail from the scales mistake?: new section

Ion frigate: /* other colors for foodless uncrowned */

2010-11-17T20:06:10Z

‎other colors for foodless uncrowned

Tjr: /* other colors for foodless uncrowned */ new section

2010-11-17T16:35:57Z

‎other colors for foodless uncrowned: new section

Ih fek: /* Could this be a effective equipment Setup (SLAHS'EM). */

2009-05-16T17:47:41Z

‎Could this be a effective equipment Setup (SLAHS'EM).

Tjr: /* Could this be a effective equipment Setup (SLAHS'EM). */

2009-05-13T16:23:24Z

‎Could this be a effective equipment Setup (SLAHS'EM).

Maha Bufu: /* Xould this be a effective equipment Setup (SLAHS'EM). */

2009-04-04T04:36:10Z

‎Xould this be a effective equipment Setup (SLAHS'EM).

Maha Bufu: /* Xould this be a effective equipment Setup (SLAHS'EM). */ new section

2009-04-04T04:35:55Z

‎Xould this be a effective equipment Setup (SLAHS'EM).: new section

SigmaJargon: /* grey or silver? why not red? */

2009-02-02T23:35:09Z

‎grey or silver? why not red?

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	So I stepped onto a polymorph trap while wearing a blessed +4 SDSM without resistance and it turned into a blessed +4 SDS. I read a blessed scroll of enchant armor to make it a scale mail again and enchant it to +5 as is written on this wiki page, but it evaporated instead due to overenchantment (?). Apparently the claim that blessed scroll of enchant armor turns SDS to +1 SDSM is wrong since +5 should not be a subject to overenchanting. --[[User:Const\|Const]] ([[User talk:Const\|talk]]) 10:17, 12 August 2021 (UTC)		So I stepped onto a polymorph trap while wearing a blessed +4 SDSM without resistance and it turned into a blessed +4 SDS. I read a blessed scroll of enchant armor to make it a scale mail again and enchant it to +5 as is written on this wiki page, but it evaporated instead due to overenchantment (?). Apparently the claim that blessed scroll of enchant armor turns SDS to +1 SDSM is wrong since +5 should not be a subject to overenchanting. --[[User:Const\|Const]] ([[User talk:Const\|talk]]) 10:17, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
		+	:The maximum safe starting enchantment for non-elven armor is +3. Since yours was at +4, it evaporated. As the article says, "If the dragon scales are enchanted above +3, it is possible that they will evaporate while attempting to return them to dragon scale mail." ——[[User:Darth l33t\|Darth l33t]] ([[User talk:Darth l33t\|talk]]) 14:32, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

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	== Making scale mail from the scales mistake? ==		== Making scale mail from the scales mistake? ==

−	So I stepped onto a polymorph trap while wearing a blessed +4 SDSM without resistance and it turned into a blessed +4 SDS. I read a blessed scroll of enchant armor to make it a scale mail again and enchant it to +5 as is written on this wiki page, but it evaporated instead due to overenchantment (?). Apparently the claim that blessed scroll of enchant armor turns SDS to +1 SDSM is wrong since +5 should not be a subject to overenchanting. -- Const	+	So I stepped onto a polymorph trap while wearing a blessed +4 SDSM without resistance and it turned into a blessed +4 SDS. I read a blessed scroll of enchant armor to make it a scale mail again and enchant it to +5 as is written on this wiki page, but it evaporated instead due to overenchantment (?). Apparently the claim that blessed scroll of enchant armor turns SDS to +1 SDSM is wrong since +5 should not be a subject to overenchanting. --[[User:Const\|Const]] ([[User talk:Const\|talk]]) 10:17, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

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	The most important extrinsic is poison, followed by sleep and fire. They can all be gained by race, role, various jewelry, and some artifacts. IMHO, green is best, followed by orange and red. Sleeping traps have killed much more of my 12-conduct attempts than fire or poison effects. Fire traps reduce maxHP, which can be replenished with alchemy. [[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 16:35, 17 November 2010 (UTC)		The most important extrinsic is poison, followed by sleep and fire. They can all be gained by race, role, various jewelry, and some artifacts. IMHO, green is best, followed by orange and red. Sleeping traps have killed much more of my 12-conduct attempts than fire or poison effects. Fire traps reduce maxHP, which can be replenished with alchemy. [[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 16:35, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
	:I would say go ahead and change it, as you almost certainly know more about the matter than I do. I just wanted to get the idea of using other colors into the article; the article before made it seem one would only use GDSM/SDSM. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 20:06, 17 November 2010 (UTC)		:I would say go ahead and change it, as you almost certainly know more about the matter than I do. I just wanted to get the idea of using other colors into the article; the article before made it seem one would only use GDSM/SDSM. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 20:06, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
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		+	== Making scale mail from the scales mistake? ==
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		+	So I stepped onto a polymorph trap while wearing a blessed +4 SDSM without resistance and it turned into a blessed +4 SDS. I read a blessed scroll of enchant armor to make it a scale mail again and enchant it to +5 as is written on this wiki page, but it evaporated instead due to overenchantment (?). Apparently the claim that blessed scroll of enchant armor turns SDS to +1 SDSM is wrong since +5 should not be a subject to overenchanting. -- Const

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	The most important extrinsic is poison, followed by sleep and fire. They can all be gained by race, role, various jewelry, and some artifacts. IMHO, green is best, followed by orange and red. Sleeping traps have killed much more of my 12-conduct attempts than fire or poison effects. Fire traps reduce maxHP, which can be replenished with alchemy. [[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 16:35, 17 November 2010 (UTC)		The most important extrinsic is poison, followed by sleep and fire. They can all be gained by race, role, various jewelry, and some artifacts. IMHO, green is best, followed by orange and red. Sleeping traps have killed much more of my 12-conduct attempts than fire or poison effects. Fire traps reduce maxHP, which can be replenished with alchemy. [[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 16:35, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
		+	:I would say go ahead and change it, as you almost certainly know more about the matter than I do. I just wanted to get the idea of using other colors into the article; the article before made it seem one would only use GDSM/SDSM. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 20:06, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

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	: Yes. [[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 16:23, 13 May 2009 (UTC)		: Yes. [[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 16:23, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
	: Agreed. You could also just as easily have a grey dragon scale mail and a cloak of displacement, and mathematically this is a much more likely eventuality: cloaks of magic resistance are, as near as I can tell, one of the rarest pieces of equipment in the game (unless you start as a wizard--different story), and there are two guaranteed GDSMs in the game--the cursed one at the Arch-Lich statue in the Lawful Quest (just dip it in a sparkling potion) and the one One-Eyed Sam wears. I tend to plan my ascension kit around that. But if something falls in your lap, take it.[[User:Ih fek\|Ih fek]] 17:47, 16 May 2009 (UTC)		: Agreed. You could also just as easily have a grey dragon scale mail and a cloak of displacement, and mathematically this is a much more likely eventuality: cloaks of magic resistance are, as near as I can tell, one of the rarest pieces of equipment in the game (unless you start as a wizard--different story), and there are two guaranteed GDSMs in the game--the cursed one at the Arch-Lich statue in the Lawful Quest (just dip it in a sparkling potion) and the one One-Eyed Sam wears. I tend to plan my ascension kit around that. But if something falls in your lap, take it.[[User:Ih fek\|Ih fek]] 17:47, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
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		+	== other colors for foodless uncrowned ==
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		+	The most important extrinsic is poison, followed by sleep and fire. They can all be gained by race, role, various jewelry, and some artifacts. IMHO, green is best, followed by orange and red. Sleeping traps have killed much more of my 12-conduct attempts than fire or poison effects. Fire traps reduce maxHP, which can be replenished with alchemy. [[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 16:35, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

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 :::To elaborate, the only dragon scale mail that provide resistances normally unavailable to the player are gray, silver, and yellow.  Since magic resistance and reflection are considered so valuable if you do not already possess them, or reflection is considered more valuable as armor than as an amulet (prevents life-saving) or shield (ruins spellcasting), they are naturally the most popular.  If you have both reflection and MR, are unconcerned with the benefits of moving your reflection to the armor slot, and already have decent armor (mithril, hopefully) then I'd recommend spending your wish elsewhere and enchanting the first set of scales you come across.  And if you feel compelled to wish for DSM anyways, might as well go for the yellow so you can kick back and down some booze while chilling in an ochre jelly.  --[[User:SigmaJargon|SigmaJargon]] 23:35, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
-== Could this be a effective equipment Setup (SLAHS'EM). ==
+== Could this be a effective equipment Setup (SLASH'EM). ==
 I killed a Shimmering Dragon and got their Scales, I know that Silver and Grey are the two best, but would using a [[Shimmering dragon scale mail]], [[Cloak of magic resistance]] and a [[amulet of reflection]] a decent replacement for Silver and Grey SMs?.... --[[User:Maha Bufu|Maha Bufu]] 04:35, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 : Yes. [[User:Tjr|Tjr]] 16:23, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

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	I killed a Shimmering Dragon and got their Scales, I know that Silver and Grey are the two best, but would using a [[Shimmering dragon scale mail]], [[Cloak of magic resistance]] and a [[amulet of reflection]] a decent replacement for Silver and Grey SMs?.... --[[User:Maha Bufu\|Maha Bufu]] 04:35, 4 April 2009 (UTC)		I killed a Shimmering Dragon and got their Scales, I know that Silver and Grey are the two best, but would using a [[Shimmering dragon scale mail]], [[Cloak of magic resistance]] and a [[amulet of reflection]] a decent replacement for Silver and Grey SMs?.... --[[User:Maha Bufu\|Maha Bufu]] 04:35, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
		+	: Yes. [[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 16:23, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

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	:::To elaborate, the only dragon scale mail that provide resistances normally unavailable to the player are gray, silver, and yellow. Since magic resistance and reflection are considered so valuable if you do not already possess them, or reflection is considered more valuable as armor than as an amulet (prevents life-saving) or shield (ruins spellcasting), they are naturally the most popular. If you have both reflection and MR, are unconcerned with the benefits of moving your reflection to the armor slot, and already have decent armor (mithril, hopefully) then I'd recommend spending your wish elsewhere and enchanting the first set of scales you come across. And if you feel compelled to wish for DSM anyways, might as well go for the yellow so you can kick back and down some booze while chilling in an ochre jelly. --[[User:SigmaJargon\|SigmaJargon]] 23:35, 2 February 2009 (UTC)		:::To elaborate, the only dragon scale mail that provide resistances normally unavailable to the player are gray, silver, and yellow. Since magic resistance and reflection are considered so valuable if you do not already possess them, or reflection is considered more valuable as armor than as an amulet (prevents life-saving) or shield (ruins spellcasting), they are naturally the most popular. If you have both reflection and MR, are unconcerned with the benefits of moving your reflection to the armor slot, and already have decent armor (mithril, hopefully) then I'd recommend spending your wish elsewhere and enchanting the first set of scales you come across. And if you feel compelled to wish for DSM anyways, might as well go for the yellow so you can kick back and down some booze while chilling in an ochre jelly. --[[User:SigmaJargon\|SigmaJargon]] 23:35, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
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		+	I killed a Shimmering Dragon and got their Scales, I know that Silver and Grey are the two best, but would using a [[Shimmering dragon scale mail]], [[Cloak of magic resistance]] and a [[amulet of reflection]] a decent replacement for Silver and Grey SMs?.... --[[User:Maha Bufu\|Maha Bufu]] 04:35, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

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	::Amulet of Life Saving for me, please, and Silver Dragon armor. --[[User:Ckbryant\|Ckbryant]] 21:25, 2 February 2009 (UTC)		::Amulet of Life Saving for me, please, and Silver Dragon armor. --[[User:Ckbryant\|Ckbryant]] 21:25, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
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		+	:::To elaborate, the only dragon scale mail that provide resistances normally unavailable to the player are gray, silver, and yellow. Since magic resistance and reflection are considered so valuable if you do not already possess them, or reflection is considered more valuable as armor than as an amulet (prevents life-saving) or shield (ruins spellcasting), they are naturally the most popular. If you have both reflection and MR, are unconcerned with the benefits of moving your reflection to the armor slot, and already have decent armor (mithril, hopefully) then I'd recommend spending your wish elsewhere and enchanting the first set of scales you come across. And if you feel compelled to wish for DSM anyways, might as well go for the yellow so you can kick back and down some booze while chilling in an ochre jelly. --[[User:SigmaJargon\|SigmaJargon]] 23:35, 2 February 2009 (UTC)