Talk:Eating jewelry - Revision history

Furey: Some history relevant to integer wrapping on protection, increase damage, increase accuracy.

2024-06-10T16:41:46Z

Some history relevant to integer wrapping on protection, increase damage, increase accuracy.

Qazmlpok: /* Intrinsic downsides? */

2016-02-13T15:29:36Z

‎Intrinsic downsides?

207.198.105.19: /* Intrinsic downsides? */ new section

2016-02-13T01:05:39Z

‎Intrinsic downsides?: new section

Qazmlpok: /* B/U/C Status When Eating Rings */

2011-05-29T12:36:07Z

‎B/U/C Status When Eating Rings

Bhaak: /* B/U/C Status When Eating Rings */ new section

2011-05-29T07:33:59Z

‎B/U/C Status When Eating Rings: new section

Bhaak: /* Fixed/Fooproof Jewelry */

2011-05-29T07:29:45Z

‎Fixed/Fooproof Jewelry

AileTheAlien: /* Fixed/Fooproof Jewelry */ new section

2011-02-26T19:17:04Z

‎Fixed/Fooproof Jewelry: new section

Rockstar7514: /* Eating Ring of Stealth to gain back Stealth intrinsic */

2010-02-19T23:16:04Z

‎Eating Ring of Stealth to gain back Stealth intrinsic

Tjr at 22:59, 19 February 2010

2010-02-19T22:59:37Z

Rockstar7514: /* Eating Rings While Satiated? */

2010-02-19T22:55:40Z

‎Eating Rings While Satiated?

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	The article seems to only discuss downsides for intrinsics "not otherwise attainable", but what about for the ones that are? Are there no nutrition changes for any of the other intrinsics listed (read: anything besides hunter, conflict, regen)? What about protection from shape changers? I don't see that attainable anywhere else, nor is it mentioned anywhere else in the page. Would be nice to have a "downsides" column, or something to that effect, that lists nutrition and other changes.		The article seems to only discuss downsides for intrinsics "not otherwise attainable", but what about for the ones that are? Are there no nutrition changes for any of the other intrinsics listed (read: anything besides hunter, conflict, regen)? What about protection from shape changers? I don't see that attainable anywhere else, nor is it mentioned anywhere else in the page. Would be nice to have a "downsides" column, or something to that effect, that lists nutrition and other changes.
	:Only those 3 intrinsics burn additional nutrition. Nothing else has any kind of secondary effect like that. Some intrinsics do have downsides, but they're a direct result of what the intrinsic does rather than an additional penalty like with regeneration and conflict. e.g. invisibility makes it more difficult to enter shops. Some intrinsics do have potential downsides but are extremely niche - for example, cold resistance stops you from being able to attack a [[blue jelly]] to cause it to split, which can be useful for creating a boulder fort. But 99.9% of the time, you'd much rather avoid the passive damage entirely. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] ([[User talk:Qazmlpok\|talk]]) 15:27, 13 February 2016 (UTC)		:Only those 3 intrinsics burn additional nutrition. Nothing else has any kind of secondary effect like that. Some intrinsics do have downsides, but they're a direct result of what the intrinsic does rather than an additional penalty like with regeneration and conflict. e.g. invisibility makes it more difficult to enter shops. Some intrinsics do have potential downsides but are extremely niche - for example, cold resistance stops you from being able to attack a [[blue jelly]] to cause it to split, which can be useful for creating a boulder fort. But 99.9% of the time, you'd much rather avoid the passive damage entirely. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] ([[User talk:Qazmlpok\|talk]]) 15:27, 13 February 2016 (UTC)
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		+	== Limitations? ==
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		+	I source dived on include/you.h. <tt>u.ublessed</tt> is an <tt>int</tt> in NetHack 3.4.3, NetHack 3.6.7, and NetHack 3.7-dev. In fact, it was an <tt>int</tt> back in NetHack 1.3d. All good.
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		+	<tt>u.uhitinc</tt> and <tt>u.udaminc</tt> are an <tt>schar</tt> in NetHack 3.4.3, NetHack 3.6.7, and NetHack 3.7-dev. So there's going to be wrapping in NetHack 3.4.3.
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		+	NetHack 3.6.7 and NetHack 3.7-dev have an upper limit of +39 on protection, increase damage, and increase accuracy from eating rings, so no integer wrap problems there.
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		+	[[User:Furey\|Furey]] ([[User talk:Furey\|talk]]) 16:41, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

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	The article seems to only discuss downsides for intrinsics "not otherwise attainable", but what about for the ones that are? Are there no nutrition changes for any of the other intrinsics listed (read: anything besides hunter, conflict, regen)? What about protection from shape changers? I don't see that attainable anywhere else, nor is it mentioned anywhere else in the page. Would be nice to have a "downsides" column, or something to that effect, that lists nutrition and other changes.		The article seems to only discuss downsides for intrinsics "not otherwise attainable", but what about for the ones that are? Are there no nutrition changes for any of the other intrinsics listed (read: anything besides hunter, conflict, regen)? What about protection from shape changers? I don't see that attainable anywhere else, nor is it mentioned anywhere else in the page. Would be nice to have a "downsides" column, or something to that effect, that lists nutrition and other changes.
		+	:Only those 3 intrinsics burn additional nutrition. Nothing else has any kind of secondary effect like that. Some intrinsics do have downsides, but they're a direct result of what the intrinsic does rather than an additional penalty like with regeneration and conflict. e.g. invisibility makes it more difficult to enter shops. Some intrinsics do have potential downsides but are extremely niche - for example, cold resistance stops you from being able to attack a [[blue jelly]] to cause it to split, which can be useful for creating a boulder fort. But 99.9% of the time, you'd much rather avoid the passive damage entirely. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] ([[User talk:Qazmlpok\|talk]]) 15:27, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

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	: Yes, BUC status is completely disregarded when eating cursed rings. It probably has been done those way as there is also no difference of getting the bonuses when wearing cursed rings. --[[User:Bhaak\|Bhaak]] 07:33, 29 May 2011 (UTC)		: Yes, BUC status is completely disregarded when eating cursed rings. It probably has been done those way as there is also no difference of getting the bonuses when wearing cursed rings. --[[User:Bhaak\|Bhaak]] 07:33, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
	::Well, not completely disregarded. Cursed rings are still cursed food, meaning they're always rotten. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 12:36, 29 May 2011 (UTC)		::Well, not completely disregarded. Cursed rings are still cursed food, meaning they're always rotten. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 12:36, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
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		+	== Intrinsic downsides? ==
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		+	The article seems to only discuss downsides for intrinsics "not otherwise attainable", but what about for the ones that are? Are there no nutrition changes for any of the other intrinsics listed (read: anything besides hunter, conflict, regen)? What about protection from shape changers? I don't see that attainable anywhere else, nor is it mentioned anywhere else in the page. Would be nice to have a "downsides" column, or something to that effect, that lists nutrition and other changes.

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	: Yes, BUC status is completely disregarded when eating cursed rings. It probably has been done those way as there is also no difference of getting the bonuses when wearing cursed rings. --[[User:Bhaak\|Bhaak]] 07:33, 29 May 2011 (UTC)		: Yes, BUC status is completely disregarded when eating cursed rings. It probably has been done those way as there is also no difference of getting the bonuses when wearing cursed rings. --[[User:Bhaak\|Bhaak]] 07:33, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
		+	::Well, not completely disregarded. Cursed rings are still cursed food, meaning they're always rotten. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 12:36, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

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	: In general, yes. Only [[rust monster]]s can't eat fooproof metallic objects. --[[User:Bhaak\|Bhaak]] 07:29, 29 May 2011 (UTC)		: In general, yes. Only [[rust monster]]s can't eat fooproof metallic objects. --[[User:Bhaak\|Bhaak]] 07:29, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
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		+	== B/U/C Status When Eating Rings ==
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		+	What is the effect of eating cursed rings? Is it still possible to gain these bonuses?
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		+	[[Special:Contributions/68.33.223.44\|68.33.223.44]] 03:50, May 27, 2011 (UTC)
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		+	: Yes, BUC status is completely disregarded when eating cursed rings. It probably has been done those way as there is also no difference of getting the bonuses when wearing cursed rings. --[[User:Bhaak\|Bhaak]] 07:33, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

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	Can you eat jewelry that is fooproof, e.g. from a wish? --[[User:AileTheAlien\|AileTheAlien]] 19:17, 26 February 2011 (UTC)		Can you eat jewelry that is fooproof, e.g. from a wish? --[[User:AileTheAlien\|AileTheAlien]] 19:17, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
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		+	: In general, yes. Only [[rust monster]]s can't eat fooproof metallic objects. --[[User:Bhaak\|Bhaak]] 07:29, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

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	: ...and I just succeeded in gaining an increase while satiated. Never mind. Sorry you were bothered--[[Special:Contributions/65.183.153.101\|65.183.153.101]] 20:18, September 20, 2009 (UTC)Slandor		: ...and I just succeeded in gaining an increase while satiated. Never mind. Sorry you were bothered--[[Special:Contributions/65.183.153.101\|65.183.153.101]] 20:18, September 20, 2009 (UTC)Slandor
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		+	== Fixed/Fooproof Jewelry ==
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		+	Can you eat jewelry that is fooproof, e.g. from a wish? --[[User:AileTheAlien\|AileTheAlien]] 19:17, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

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 During my latest successful game, a gremlin stole my intrinsic stealth. I tried to fix that by eating a ring of stealth. I had the "the magic spreads throughout your body" message, however, enlightenment revealed that I *didn't* gain stealth back! It just wasn't there when I wasn't wearing my elven cloak! What's up with that? --[[User:Gneek|Gneek]] 01:31, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 :Sounds like a bug to me [[User:86.156.99.151|86.156.99.151]] 22:01, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 ==eating artifacts==

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 :: Yes it is possible to eat it. Even monsters (xorns) can do so if you don't watch out. -[[User:Tjr|Tjr]] 17:48, February 19, 2010 (UTC)
 I tried eating it (on accident), the magic spread through my body but I didn't gain anything. I lost the power regeneration and the #invoke branchporting. I believe I already had telepathy instrincly, so I am not sure, but I think that the only thing you gain is telepathy. [[User:Rockstar7514|Rockstar7514]] 22:28, February 19, 2010 (UTC)
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 Can you gain an intrinsic from eating rings while satiated? I was just trying out some ring-eating in wizmode and it seemed like I reliably didn't gain anything when eating while satiated -- I was eating increase damage and polycontrol so it should've been possible. Once I got myself unsatiated I could gain the attributes again.--[[Special:Contributions/65.183.153.101|65.183.153.101]] 19:44, September 20, 2009 (UTC)Slandor
 Remember, there is only a (1/3) chance to gain the instrinc. If able try collecting and polymorphing every ring you find into valuable edible rings (if any during specified game). This will increase your chances of getting the instrinc whether satiated or not.
-== never mind ==
+: never mind
+: ...and I just succeeded in gaining an increase while satiated. Never mind. Sorry you were bothered--[[Special:Contributions/65.183.153.101|65.183.153.101]] 20:18, September 20, 2009 (UTC)Slandor