Talk:Elbereth - Revision history

Umbire the Phantom: improperly signed

2025-10-07T06:26:05Z

improperly signed

Furey: /* ants are no exception */ delinkify some random text that was linkified

2024-06-30T03:14:49Z

‎ants are no exception: delinkify some random text that was linkified

Derekt75: /* history? */ Elbereth has been around a long time

2021-02-18T21:20:13Z

‎history?: Elbereth has been around a long time

Testbutt: /* history? */ new section

2021-02-18T21:01:29Z

‎history?: new section

Netzhack: /* Bad Transliteration */

2019-09-09T09:19:25Z

‎Bad Transliteration

Netzhack: /* Bad Transliteration */

2018-12-14T21:51:51Z

‎Bad Transliteration

Netzhack: /* Bad Transliteration */ new section

2018-12-14T21:50:21Z

‎Bad Transliteration: new section

Qazmlpok: /* Burning in 3.6.0 */

2015-12-19T13:46:36Z

‎Burning in 3.6.0

64.229.131.22: I noticed some new behavior not mentioned yet.

2015-12-17T19:34:19Z

I noticed some new behavior not mentioned yet.

Qazmlpok at 02:49, 12 December 2015

2015-12-12T02:49:58Z

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 ==Magic marker==
-There is nothing here about the effect of inscribing elbereth with a magic marker. There needs to be. Magic marker elebereths almost appear to be permanent, but I don't have enough information to say for sure. I accessed this website to find out how long MM engravings last. [[Jack]]
+There is nothing here about the effect of inscribing elbereth with a magic marker. There needs to be. Magic marker elebereths almost appear to be permanent, but I don't have enough information to say for sure. I accessed this website to find out how long MM engravings last. {{unsigned|71.88.215.234|2006-09-09T10:39:23}}
 Magic marker Elbereth is equivalent to using a wand of digging or a non-cursed athame - it takes one turn, you never mess up the letters (unless under some bad status effect) and it lasts much longer than engraving in the dust but is not permenant. Prayer has nothing whatsoever to do with it. (A)ngels do not respect E but (a)nts do. [[User:EkiM|EkiM]] 11:35, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
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 ==ants are no exception==
-Please note. When I inscribe elbereth with a MM giant ants do respect it. This page notes that no "A" monsters respect it, and lists giant ants in that category. -- jack, battling two giant ants with 10hp left
+Please note. When I inscribe elbereth with a MM giant ants do respect it. This page notes that no "A" monsters respect it, and lists giant ants in that category. -- jack, battling two giant ants with 10hp left {{unsigned|71.88.215.234|2007-03-06T20:09:02}}
 -I think that they only mean monsters represented by a capital A, but the "A" link links to both capital and lowercase. [[User:Kahran042|Kahran042]]
 I may have figured out why. I prayed at the sight of my engraving and the ants respected it. Later while being relentlessly pursued through a hallway i engraved it with a MM and they did not respect it. Maybe prayer is the key here
--- Jack
+-- [[Special:Contributions/71.88.215.234|Jack]] {{unsigned|71.88.215.234|2007-03-06T20:11:13}}
 ==Mechanics of engraving==

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 ==ants are no exception==
-Please note. When I inscribe elbereth with a MM giant ants do respect it. This page notes that no "A" monsters respect it, and lists giant ants in that category. [[jack, battling two giant ants with 10hp left]]
+Please note. When I inscribe elbereth with a MM giant ants do respect it. This page notes that no "A" monsters respect it, and lists giant ants in that category. -- jack, battling two giant ants with 10hp left
 -I think that they only mean monsters represented by a capital A, but the "A" link links to both capital and lowercase. [[User:Kahran042|Kahran042]]
-I may have figured out why. I prayed at the sight of my engraving and the ants respected it. Later [[ while being relentlessly pursued through a hallway]] i engraved it with a MM and they did not respect it. Maybe prayer is the key here
+I may have figured out why. I prayed at the sight of my engraving and the ants respected it. Later while being relentlessly pursued through a hallway i engraved it with a MM and they did not respect it. Maybe prayer is the key here
-[[Jack]]
+-- Jack
 ==Mechanics of engraving==

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	was a little bummed that the History section is just very recent info. Is there info out there about when Elby was added, and why? [[User:Testbutt\|Testbutt]] ([[User talk:Testbutt\|talk]]) 21:01, 18 February 2021 (UTC)		was a little bummed that the History section is just very recent info. Is there info out there about when Elby was added, and why? [[User:Testbutt\|Testbutt]] ([[User talk:Testbutt\|talk]]) 21:01, 18 February 2021 (UTC)
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		+	:looks like it was added way back in 1.3. (monmove.c). I didn't see any evidence of it changing between 1.3 and 3.4.3. [[User:Derekt75\|Derekt75]] ([[User talk:Derekt75\|talk]]) 21:19, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

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	The illustration needs to be revised: the runes in the bottom line should end in Certh no. 10 for /θ/ (the voiceless "th" sound), not in Certh no. 8 (for /t/) followed by no. 34 (for /g/) -- the latter probably a typo anyway for no. 35 (for /x/, the "kh" sound). Any Tolkien nuts here who'd like to fix that? (Refs are to "Angerthas Daeron" in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cirth.) [[User:Netzhack\|Netzhack]] ([[User talk:Netzhack\|talk]]) 21:50, 14 December 2018 (UTC)		The illustration needs to be revised: the runes in the bottom line should end in Certh no. 10 for /θ/ (the voiceless "th" sound), not in Certh no. 8 (for /t/) followed by no. 34 (for /g/) -- the latter probably a typo anyway for no. 35 (for /x/, the "kh" sound). Any Tolkien nuts here who'd like to fix that? (Refs are to "Angerthas Daeron" in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cirth.) [[User:Netzhack\|Netzhack]] ([[User talk:Netzhack\|talk]]) 21:50, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
	:Okay, fixed it myself. [[User:Netzhack\|Netzhack]] ([[User talk:Netzhack\|talk]]) 09:19, 9 September 2019 (UTC)		:Okay, fixed it myself. [[User:Netzhack\|Netzhack]] ([[User talk:Netzhack\|talk]]) 09:19, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
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		+	== history? ==
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		+	was a little bummed that the History section is just very recent info. Is there info out there about when Elby was added, and why? [[User:Testbutt\|Testbutt]] ([[User talk:Testbutt\|talk]]) 21:01, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

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	The illustration needs to be revised: the runes in the bottom line should end in Certh no. 10 for /θ/ (the voiceless "th" sound), not in Certh no. 8 (for /t/) followed by no. 34 (for /g/) -- the latter probably a typo anyway for no. 35 (for /x/, the "kh" sound). Any Tolkien nuts here who'd like to fix that? (Refs are to "Angerthas Daeron" in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cirth.) [[User:Netzhack\|Netzhack]] ([[User talk:Netzhack\|talk]]) 21:50, 14 December 2018 (UTC)		The illustration needs to be revised: the runes in the bottom line should end in Certh no. 10 for /θ/ (the voiceless "th" sound), not in Certh no. 8 (for /t/) followed by no. 34 (for /g/) -- the latter probably a typo anyway for no. 35 (for /x/, the "kh" sound). Any Tolkien nuts here who'd like to fix that? (Refs are to "Angerthas Daeron" in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cirth.) [[User:Netzhack\|Netzhack]] ([[User talk:Netzhack\|talk]]) 21:50, 14 December 2018 (UTC)
		+	:Okay, fixed it myself. [[User:Netzhack\|Netzhack]] ([[User talk:Netzhack\|talk]]) 09:19, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

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−	The illustration needs to be revised: the runes in the bottom line should end in Certh no. 10 for /θ/ (the voiceless "th" sound), not in Certh no. 8 (for /t/) followed by no. 34 (for /g/) -- the latter probably a typo anyway for no. 35 (for /x/, the "kh" sound). Any Tolkien nuts here who'd like to fix that? [[User:Netzhack\|Netzhack]] ([[User talk:Netzhack\|talk]]) 21:50, 14 December 2018 (UTC)	+	The illustration needs to be revised: the runes in the bottom line should end in Certh no. 10 for /θ/ (the voiceless "th" sound), not in Certh no. 8 (for /t/) followed by no. 34 (for /g/) -- the latter probably a typo anyway for no. 35 (for /x/, the "kh" sound). Any Tolkien nuts here who'd like to fix that? (Refs are to "Angerthas Daeron" in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cirth.) [[User:Netzhack\|Netzhack]] ([[User talk:Netzhack\|talk]]) 21:50, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

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	Is this no longer permanent, or can the wizard (or anything?) smudge even a burned Elbereth? I burned Elbereth on the upstairs to protect myself from an arch lich. He turned to flee, so I'm pretty sure I wrote it correctly. But then he started attacking the next turn. After the wizard and lich were dealt with, I checked the engraving: Elbe?th. I'm almost positive I wrote it correctly, since I definitely saw the lich flee for a turn. But it certainly didn't stay that way, at least. I don't know where to look in the source code to check for this myself. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] ([[User talk:Qazmlpok\|talk]]) 02:49, 12 December 2015 (UTC)		Is this no longer permanent, or can the wizard (or anything?) smudge even a burned Elbereth? I burned Elbereth on the upstairs to protect myself from an arch lich. He turned to flee, so I'm pretty sure I wrote it correctly. But then he started attacking the next turn. After the wizard and lich were dealt with, I checked the engraving: Elbe?th. I'm almost positive I wrote it correctly, since I definitely saw the lich flee for a turn. But it certainly didn't stay that way, at least. I don't know where to look in the source code to check for this myself. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] ([[User talk:Qazmlpok\|talk]]) 02:49, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
	:Yep. Burned Elbereth is '''not''' permanent anymore. engrave.c, line 294: magical means have a 50% chance to smudge a "permanent" engraving. Magical means include Elbereth itself being invoked: monmove.c, line 312. "magical protection won't last forever, so there'll be a chance of the magic being used up regardless of type". If a monster is scared by Elbereth, attempt to erase 1 letter from the engraving. Another result of this change is that now a dust Elbereth can only ever scare one monster; if 3 enemies have you surrounded and you successfully write "Elbereth", the first monster that moves will be scared. This will smudge the engraving, meaning the other two will not be affected at all. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] ([[User talk:Qazmlpok\|talk]]) 13:46, 19 December 2015 (UTC)		:Yep. Burned Elbereth is '''not''' permanent anymore. engrave.c, line 294: magical means have a 50% chance to smudge a "permanent" engraving. Magical means include Elbereth itself being invoked: monmove.c, line 312. "magical protection won't last forever, so there'll be a chance of the magic being used up regardless of type". If a monster is scared by Elbereth, attempt to erase 1 letter from the engraving. Another result of this change is that now a dust Elbereth can only ever scare one monster; if 3 enemies have you surrounded and you successfully write "Elbereth", the first monster that moves will be scared. This will smudge the engraving, meaning the other two will not be affected at all. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] ([[User talk:Qazmlpok\|talk]]) 13:46, 19 December 2015 (UTC)
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		+	== Bad Transliteration ==
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		+	The illustration needs to be revised: the runes in the bottom line should end in Certh no. 10 for /θ/ (the voiceless "th" sound), not in Certh no. 8 (for /t/) followed by no. 34 (for /g/) -- the latter probably a typo anyway for no. 35 (for /x/, the "kh" sound). Any Tolkien nuts here who'd like to fix that? [[User:Netzhack\|Netzhack]] ([[User talk:Netzhack\|talk]]) 21:50, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

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	==Burning in 3.6.0==		==Burning in 3.6.0==
	Is this no longer permanent, or can the wizard (or anything?) smudge even a burned Elbereth? I burned Elbereth on the upstairs to protect myself from an arch lich. He turned to flee, so I'm pretty sure I wrote it correctly. But then he started attacking the next turn. After the wizard and lich were dealt with, I checked the engraving: Elbe?th. I'm almost positive I wrote it correctly, since I definitely saw the lich flee for a turn. But it certainly didn't stay that way, at least. I don't know where to look in the source code to check for this myself. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] ([[User talk:Qazmlpok\|talk]]) 02:49, 12 December 2015 (UTC)		Is this no longer permanent, or can the wizard (or anything?) smudge even a burned Elbereth? I burned Elbereth on the upstairs to protect myself from an arch lich. He turned to flee, so I'm pretty sure I wrote it correctly. But then he started attacking the next turn. After the wizard and lich were dealt with, I checked the engraving: Elbe?th. I'm almost positive I wrote it correctly, since I definitely saw the lich flee for a turn. But it certainly didn't stay that way, at least. I don't know where to look in the source code to check for this myself. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] ([[User talk:Qazmlpok\|talk]]) 02:49, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
		+	:Yep. Burned Elbereth is '''not''' permanent anymore. engrave.c, line 294: magical means have a 50% chance to smudge a "permanent" engraving. Magical means include Elbereth itself being invoked: monmove.c, line 312. "magical protection won't last forever, so there'll be a chance of the magic being used up regardless of type". If a monster is scared by Elbereth, attempt to erase 1 letter from the engraving. Another result of this change is that now a dust Elbereth can only ever scare one monster; if 3 enemies have you surrounded and you successfully write "Elbereth", the first monster that moves will be scared. This will smudge the engraving, meaning the other two will not be affected at all. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] ([[User talk:Qazmlpok\|talk]]) 13:46, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

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 :"Engraving more than 1 Elbereth should still reduce the decay chance by adding in junk letters": Oh, true, I should figure out the probabilities and edit the article to reflect that.  "Elbereth has no power in Gehennom or the planes (Astral and elemental)." I forgot to add that.  I should do that.  Also, there's no such thing as nethack 2.6.0. <span style="background:green;border-radius:15px 0 0 8px">[[user:Elronnd|Elronnd]]</span><span style="background: orange;border-radius:0 8px 15px 0">[[user_talk:Elronnd|(talk)]]</span> 20:04, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
 ::Whoops. Fixed the typo. -- [[User:Qazmlpok|Qazmlpok]] ([[User talk:Qazmlpok|talk]]) 20:36, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
 ==Burning in 3.6.0==
 Is this no longer permanent, or can the wizard (or anything?) smudge even a burned Elbereth? I burned Elbereth on the upstairs to protect myself from an arch lich. He turned to flee, so I'm pretty sure I wrote it correctly. But then he started attacking the next turn. After the wizard and lich were dealt with, I checked the engraving: Elbe?th. I'm almost positive I wrote it correctly, since I definitely saw the lich flee for a turn. But it certainly didn't stay that way, at least. I don't know where to look in the source code to check for this myself. -- [[User:Qazmlpok|Qazmlpok]] ([[User talk:Qazmlpok|talk]]) 02:49, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

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	:"Engraving more than 1 Elbereth should still reduce the decay chance by adding in junk letters": Oh, true, I should figure out the probabilities and edit the article to reflect that. "Elbereth has no power in Gehennom or the planes (Astral and elemental)." I forgot to add that. I should do that. Also, there's no such thing as nethack 2.6.0. <span style="background:green;border-radius:15px 0 0 8px">[[user:Elronnd\|Elronnd]]</span><span style="background: orange;border-radius:0 8px 15px 0">[[user_talk:Elronnd\|(talk)]]</span> 20:04, 9 December 2015 (UTC)		:"Engraving more than 1 Elbereth should still reduce the decay chance by adding in junk letters": Oh, true, I should figure out the probabilities and edit the article to reflect that. "Elbereth has no power in Gehennom or the planes (Astral and elemental)." I forgot to add that. I should do that. Also, there's no such thing as nethack 2.6.0. <span style="background:green;border-radius:15px 0 0 8px">[[user:Elronnd\|Elronnd]]</span><span style="background: orange;border-radius:0 8px 15px 0">[[user_talk:Elronnd\|(talk)]]</span> 20:04, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
	::Whoops. Fixed the typo. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] ([[User talk:Qazmlpok\|talk]]) 20:36, 9 December 2015 (UTC)		::Whoops. Fixed the typo. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] ([[User talk:Qazmlpok\|talk]]) 20:36, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
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		+	==Burning in 3.6.0==
		+	Is this no longer permanent, or can the wizard (or anything?) smudge even a burned Elbereth? I burned Elbereth on the upstairs to protect myself from an arch lich. He turned to flee, so I'm pretty sure I wrote it correctly. But then he started attacking the next turn. After the wizard and lich were dealt with, I checked the engraving: Elbe?th. I'm almost positive I wrote it correctly, since I definitely saw the lich flee for a turn. But it certainly didn't stay that way, at least. I don't know where to look in the source code to check for this myself. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] ([[User talk:Qazmlpok\|talk]]) 02:49, 12 December 2015 (UTC)