Talk:Extinction - Revision history

Umbire the Phantom: pothole

2024-03-10T14:47:33Z

pothole

Ion frigate: /* Move this article to Extinction? */ - Done

2023-05-30T05:38:35Z

‎Move this article to Extinction?: - Done

Ion frigate: Ion frigate moved page Talk:Extinctionism to Talk:Extinction: Per talk, probably needs some rewrites but as-is makes more sense at Extinction

2023-05-30T05:35:32Z

Ion frigate moved page Talk:Extinctionism to Talk:Extinction: Per talk, probably needs some rewrites but as-is makes more sense at Extinction

Umbire the Phantom: /* Move this article to Extinction? */ reply

2023-05-29T20:31:51Z

‎Move this article to Extinction?: reply

Cathartes: /* Move this article to Extinction? */ new section

2023-04-27T04:12:27Z

‎Move this article to Extinction?: new section

Actual-nh: /* In-game Extinction Status */ Show whether extinct or not, but not number killed?

2021-04-14T13:16:35Z

‎In-game Extinction Status: Show whether extinct or not, but not number killed?

Pinkbeast: /* dual purpose */ new section

2021-04-14T05:49:22Z

‎dual purpose: new section

Phol ende wodan: /* In-game Extinction Status */

2019-03-16T22:08:47Z

‎In-game Extinction Status

Mitlcl at 21:59, 16 March 2019

2019-03-16T21:59:36Z

Omegacenti: /* Life saving */ ~~~~

2013-05-08T12:49:58Z

‎Life saving: ~~~~

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 I went a little over the top with genocide pretty early on.  Let's say that the number one creature in the castle are steel golems.  I am still deciding whether that wand is worth it.  On the bright side massive genocide in Slashem has a very postive aspect.  It force the creation of ruby, diamond and sapphire golems. It also forces the creation of gypsies killing two bird with one stone. WIthout wishes how do you cordinate having a cockatrice corpse and the Archon being around? [[User:Ndwolfwood|Ndwolfwood]] 01:34, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
-: Cockatrices have a much lower [[difficulty]] than Archons. You can cast create monster on a shallow dungeon level until a few cockatrices leave corpses, and then go deeper and cast create monster until an Archon appears. --[[User:Tjr|Tjr]]
+: Cockatrices have a much lower [[Monster difficulty|difficulty]] than Archons. You can cast create monster on a shallow dungeon level until a few cockatrices leave corpses, and then go deeper and cast create monster until an Archon appears. --[[User:Tjr|Tjr]]
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	:Yeah, I feel like this is a sensible move. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 20:31, 29 May 2023 (UTC)		:Yeah, I feel like this is a sensible move. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 20:31, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
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		+	::Agreed, did the move. I'll go check and see if there are any other broken redirects. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] ([[User talk:Ion frigate\|talk]]) 05:38, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

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	== Move this article to [[Extinction]]? ==		== Move this article to [[Extinction]]? ==
		+	Extinctionism is the playstyle/pseudo-conduct and extinction is the game mechanic. This page currently describes both the game mechanic and the playstyle. I think this article should be primarily about the game mechanic, and discussion of the playstyle should be a subsection (this is already the current state of the article). While most players who care about the mechanic are probably playing extinctionist games, it is somewhat common for players to make soldiers extinct without deliberately intending to, which may have a significant effect in the Castle or Fort Ludios, so it's not only relevant to extinctionist players. I propose moving this page to [[Extinction]]. (Non-admins such as myself cannot implement this move because [[Extinction]] has non-trivial page history.) [[User:Cathartes\|Cathartes]] ([[User talk:Cathartes\|talk]]) 04:12, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

−	~~Extinctionism is the playstyle/pseudo-conduct and extinction is the game mechanic. This page currently describes both the game mechanic and the playstyle.~~ I ~~think this article should be primarily about the game mechanic, and discussion of the playstyle should be a subsection (~~this is already the current state of the article). While most players who care about the mechanic are probably playing extinctionist games, it is somewhat common for players to make soldiers extinct without deliberately intending to, which may have a ~~significant effect in the Castle or Fort Ludios, so it's not only relevant to extinctionist players. I propose moving this page to [[Extinction]]~~. ~~(Non~~-~~admins such as myself cannot implement this move because [[Extinction]] has non~~-~~trivial page history.)~~ [[User:~~Cathartes~~\|~~Cathartes~~]] ([[User talk:~~Cathartes~~\|talk]]) 04:12, ~~27 April~~ 2023 (UTC)	+	:Yeah, I feel like this is a sensible move. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 20:31, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

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	On rereading this page, it's a bit odd, in that half of it discusses the game mechanics, but the second half only gently hints at the conduct - if you don't already know what an extinctionist is, you might be confused. I'll think about that. [[User:Pinkbeast\|Pinkbeast]] ([[User talk:Pinkbeast\|talk]]) 05:49, 14 April 2021 (UTC)		On rereading this page, it's a bit odd, in that half of it discusses the game mechanics, but the second half only gently hints at the conduct - if you don't already know what an extinctionist is, you might be confused. I'll think about that. [[User:Pinkbeast\|Pinkbeast]] ([[User talk:Pinkbeast\|talk]]) 05:49, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
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		+	== Move this article to [[Extinction]]? ==
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		+	Extinctionism is the playstyle/pseudo-conduct and extinction is the game mechanic. This page currently describes both the game mechanic and the playstyle. I think this article should be primarily about the game mechanic, and discussion of the playstyle should be a subsection (this is already the current state of the article). While most players who care about the mechanic are probably playing extinctionist games, it is somewhat common for players to make soldiers extinct without deliberately intending to, which may have a significant effect in the Castle or Fort Ludios, so it's not only relevant to extinctionist players. I propose moving this page to [[Extinction]]. (Non-admins such as myself cannot implement this move because [[Extinction]] has non-trivial page history.) [[User:Cathartes\|Cathartes]] ([[User talk:Cathartes\|talk]]) 04:12, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

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 : No, there's no way to check this until the game is over. You can of course record your game and play it back to see what you killed, or just keep notes, but there are valid reasons for the game not showing you the vanquished list in-game: for instance, a blind character would be able to tell what every killed monster is by checking the lists before and after killing it.
 : Most extinctionist games that I know just cast create monster ad infinitum, in various places to cover all possible monster generation circumstances, until monsters just stop showing up. --[[User:Phol ende wodan|Phol ende wodan]] ([[User talk:Phol ende wodan|talk]]) 22:08, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
 == dual purpose ==
 On rereading this page, it's a bit odd, in that half of it discusses the game mechanics, but the second half only gently hints at the conduct - if you don't already know what an extinctionist is, you might be confused. I'll think about that. [[User:Pinkbeast|Pinkbeast]] ([[User talk:Pinkbeast|talk]]) 05:49, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

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	: No, there's no way to check this until the game is over. You can of course record your game and play it back to see what you killed, or just keep notes, but there are valid reasons for the game not showing you the vanquished list in-game: for instance, a blind character would be able to tell what every killed monster is by checking the lists before and after killing it.		: No, there's no way to check this until the game is over. You can of course record your game and play it back to see what you killed, or just keep notes, but there are valid reasons for the game not showing you the vanquished list in-game: for instance, a blind character would be able to tell what every killed monster is by checking the lists before and after killing it.
	: Most extinctionist games that I know just cast create monster ad infinitum, in various places to cover all possible monster generation circumstances, until monsters just stop showing up. --[[User:Phol ende wodan\|Phol ende wodan]] ([[User talk:Phol ende wodan\|talk]]) 22:08, 16 March 2019 (UTC)		: Most extinctionist games that I know just cast create monster ad infinitum, in various places to cover all possible monster generation circumstances, until monsters just stop showing up. --[[User:Phol ende wodan\|Phol ende wodan]] ([[User talk:Phol ende wodan\|talk]]) 22:08, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
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		+	== dual purpose ==
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		+	On rereading this page, it's a bit odd, in that half of it discusses the game mechanics, but the second half only gently hints at the conduct - if you don't already know what an extinctionist is, you might be confused. I'll think about that. [[User:Pinkbeast\|Pinkbeast]] ([[User talk:Pinkbeast\|talk]]) 05:49, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

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	--[[User:Mitlcl\|Mitlcl]] ([[User talk:Mitlcl\|talk]]) 21:59, 16 March 2019 (UTC)		--[[User:Mitlcl\|Mitlcl]] ([[User talk:Mitlcl\|talk]]) 21:59, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
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		+	: No, there's no way to check this until the game is over. You can of course record your game and play it back to see what you killed, or just keep notes, but there are valid reasons for the game not showing you the vanquished list in-game: for instance, a blind character would be able to tell what every killed monster is by checking the lists before and after killing it.
		+	: Most extinctionist games that I know just cast create monster ad infinitum, in various places to cover all possible monster generation circumstances, until monsters just stop showing up. --[[User:Phol ende wodan\|Phol ende wodan]] ([[User talk:Phol ende wodan\|talk]]) 22:08, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

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	[[User:Omegacenti\|Omegacenti]] ([[User talk:Omegacenti\|talk]]) 12:49, 8 May 2013 (UTC)		[[User:Omegacenti\|Omegacenti]] ([[User talk:Omegacenti\|talk]]) 12:49, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
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		+	== In-game Extinction Status ==
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		+	Is it possible to check one's extinction progress while still within the game? If so, how?
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		+	--[[User:Mitlcl\|Mitlcl]] ([[User talk:Mitlcl\|talk]]) 21:59, 16 March 2019 (UTC)

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	:Life saving code appears to simply restore the HP of the original monster and not create a new one. I'm not seeing any calls or makemon, which is what calls propagate and marks monsters as extinct. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] ([[User talk:Qazmlpok\|talk]]) 00:30, 2 June 2012 (UTC)		:Life saving code appears to simply restore the HP of the original monster and not create a new one. I'm not seeing any calls or makemon, which is what calls propagate and marks monsters as extinct. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] ([[User talk:Qazmlpok\|talk]]) 00:30, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
	::Soft question: Do people engaged in extinctionism go for 120-kills with amulets of life saving? --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] ([[User talk:Tjr\|talk]]) 15:33, 2 June 2012 (UTC)		::Soft question: Do people engaged in extinctionism go for 120-kills with amulets of life saving? --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] ([[User talk:Tjr\|talk]]) 15:33, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
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		+	In light of this information, along with stth's recent provings that life saving did not increment kill counters, I removed this bit from the page:
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		+	Finally, monsters that resist stoning and leave no corpse can usually wear [[Amulet of life saving\|amulets of life saving]] and can be extincted with enough amulets, though gathering that many amulets in a non-[[Wizard mode]] game is a task that borders on impossible.
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		+	This needs Real hard evidence to be reinstated.
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		+	[[User:Omegacenti\|Omegacenti]] ([[User talk:Omegacenti\|talk]]) 12:49, 8 May 2013 (UTC)