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Darth l33t: /* Death farming vs. Famine / Pestilence farming */

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‎Death farming vs. Famine / Pestilence farming

Tjr: /* Death farming vs. Famine / Pestilence farming */

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‎Death farming vs. Famine / Pestilence farming

Tjr: /* Death farming vs. Famine / Pestilence farming */

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‎Death farming vs. Famine / Pestilence farming

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 ::Why not just use very strong pets instead of murdering? [[Special:Contributions/75.58.127.95|75.58.127.95]] 13:19, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
 :::No death drops, harder to control. You need to anger the guard or he won't walk into the vault, and if your pet kills him before he walks into the vault you lose all of the potential loot. I suppose you could use the teleport spell to remove your pet from the vault and magic whistle him in each time. It also only solves one of the problems; you're still getting less loot and taking longer. -- [[User:Qazmlpok|Qazmlpok]] 15:24, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
-::::I guess it would be hard to extensively farm this, though I could see a high level chaotic doing it a few times to get some gear from them. [[Special:Contributions/75.58.127.95|75.58.127.95]] 15:43, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
+::::I guess it would be hard to extensively farm this, though I could see a high level chaotic doing it a few times to get some gear from them. [[Special:Contributions/75.58.127.95|75.58.127.95]] 15:43, 23 July 2011 (UTC) Oh, and if you are not human you could eat the guard corpses indefinitely. [[Special:Contributions/99.167.107.198|99.167.107.198]] 15:52, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

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	:::No death drops, harder to control. You need to anger the guard or he won't walk into the vault, and if your pet kills him before he walks into the vault you lose all of the potential loot. I suppose you could use the teleport spell to remove your pet from the vault and magic whistle him in each time. It also only solves one of the problems; you're still getting less loot and taking longer. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 15:24, 23 July 2011 (UTC)		:::No death drops, harder to control. You need to anger the guard or he won't walk into the vault, and if your pet kills him before he walks into the vault you lose all of the potential loot. I suppose you could use the teleport spell to remove your pet from the vault and magic whistle him in each time. It also only solves one of the problems; you're still getting less loot and taking longer. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 15:24, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
		+	::::I guess it would be hard to extensively farm this, though I could see a high level chaotic doing it a few times to get some gear from them. [[Special:Contributions/75.58.127.95\|75.58.127.95]] 15:43, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

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 :I don't think it'd be very useful. You have the murder penalty for any non-chaotic, and everyone gets a huge alignment drop. Guards always start with equipment that could be useful in the beginning, but they're too tough to kill at that point and it's not useful for farming. Fort Ludios or the castle are usually a better bet if you want non-magical polyfodder, since it doesn't require waiting and you will usually get enough equipment for whatever polypiling you're doing. Guards can start with random misc/offensive/defensive items, but since they're hard to kill in one hit they have a decent chance of using it up before you can kill them. Finally, guards always appear in the walls of the vault, and the wall will be restored once you kill the guard, even if it was already dug out. Any equipment they would have dropped will be lost if you don't make them hostile first to move them into the vault itself, making the farming take that much longer and be that less brainless.
 :So while you could do it, I really don't see the point. Pudding farming is much better for death drops and throne farming for off/def/misc items. It'd be way too slow and the rewards aren't any better than other methods. -- [[User:Qazmlpok|Qazmlpok]] 13:17, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
-:::Why not just use very strong pets instead of murdering? [[Special:Contributions/75.58.127.95|75.58.127.95]] 13:19, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
+::Why not just use very strong pets instead of murdering? [[Special:Contributions/75.58.127.95|75.58.127.95]] 13:19, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

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	:I don't think it'd be very useful. You have the murder penalty for any non-chaotic, and everyone gets a huge alignment drop. Guards always start with equipment that could be useful in the beginning, but they're too tough to kill at that point and it's not useful for farming. Fort Ludios or the castle are usually a better bet if you want non-magical polyfodder, since it doesn't require waiting and you will usually get enough equipment for whatever polypiling you're doing. Guards can start with random misc/offensive/defensive items, but since they're hard to kill in one hit they have a decent chance of using it up before you can kill them. Finally, guards always appear in the walls of the vault, and the wall will be restored once you kill the guard, even if it was already dug out. Any equipment they would have dropped will be lost if you don't make them hostile first to move them into the vault itself, making the farming take that much longer and be that less brainless.		:I don't think it'd be very useful. You have the murder penalty for any non-chaotic, and everyone gets a huge alignment drop. Guards always start with equipment that could be useful in the beginning, but they're too tough to kill at that point and it's not useful for farming. Fort Ludios or the castle are usually a better bet if you want non-magical polyfodder, since it doesn't require waiting and you will usually get enough equipment for whatever polypiling you're doing. Guards can start with random misc/offensive/defensive items, but since they're hard to kill in one hit they have a decent chance of using it up before you can kill them. Finally, guards always appear in the walls of the vault, and the wall will be restored once you kill the guard, even if it was already dug out. Any equipment they would have dropped will be lost if you don't make them hostile first to move them into the vault itself, making the farming take that much longer and be that less brainless.
	:So while you could do it, I really don't see the point. Pudding farming is much better for death drops and throne farming for off/def/misc items. It'd be way too slow and the rewards aren't any better than other methods. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 13:17, 23 July 2011 (UTC)		:So while you could do it, I really don't see the point. Pudding farming is much better for death drops and throne farming for off/def/misc items. It'd be way too slow and the rewards aren't any better than other methods. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 13:17, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
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	Should Vault Farming (waiting forever in a vault killing guards, which don't respect extinction) be included here? [[Special:Contributions/75.58.127.95\|75.58.127.95]] 12:07, 23 July 2011 (UTC)		Should Vault Farming (waiting forever in a vault killing guards, which don't respect extinction) be included here? [[Special:Contributions/75.58.127.95\|75.58.127.95]] 12:07, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
		+	:I don't think it'd be very useful. You have the murder penalty for any non-chaotic, and everyone gets a huge alignment drop. Guards always start with equipment that could be useful in the beginning, but they're too tough to kill at that point and it's not useful for farming. Fort Ludios or the castle are usually a better bet if you want non-magical polyfodder, since it doesn't require waiting and you will usually get enough equipment for whatever polypiling you're doing. Guards can start with random misc/offensive/defensive items, but since they're hard to kill in one hit they have a decent chance of using it up before you can kill them. Finally, guards always appear in the walls of the vault, and the wall will be restored once you kill the guard, even if it was already dug out. Any equipment they would have dropped will be lost if you don't make them hostile first to move them into the vault itself, making the farming take that much longer and be that less brainless.
		+	:So while you could do it, I really don't see the point. Pudding farming is much better for death drops and throne farming for off/def/misc items. It'd be way too slow and the rewards aren't any better than other methods. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 13:17, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

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	: I thought it was because Death is near-harmless once your character has hitpoints in the millions, while letting the other two hit you ocassionally (IP fragmentation ...) will kill you if you don't supervise the operation. [[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 22:08, July 21, 2010 (UTC)		: I thought it was because Death is near-harmless once your character has hitpoints in the millions, while letting the other two hit you ocassionally (IP fragmentation ...) will kill you if you don't supervise the operation. [[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 22:08, July 21, 2010 (UTC)
	:: That makes some sense, although if you're being hit by Death, that means your farm is broken anyway. Maybe the article could be edited to suggest Famine or Pestilence on a local copy. I don't know if it's even worth the bother, though; farming the Riders would seem to fall under "don't bother if you don't know exactly what you're doing", and I see this strategy as more a bit of trivia than an actual how-to. --[[User:Darth l33t\|Darth l33t]] 19:17, July 22, 2010 (UTC)		:: That makes some sense, although if you're being hit by Death, that means your farm is broken anyway. Maybe the article could be edited to suggest Famine or Pestilence on a local copy. I don't know if it's even worth the bother, though; farming the Riders would seem to fall under "don't bother if you don't know exactly what you're doing", and I see this strategy as more a bit of trivia than an actual how-to. --[[User:Darth l33t\|Darth l33t]] 19:17, July 22, 2010 (UTC)
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		+	Should Vault Farming (waiting forever in a vault killing guards, which don't respect extinction) be included here? [[Special:Contributions/75.58.127.95\|75.58.127.95]] 12:07, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

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 :: Thanks.  I should try illiterate someday, as then I'd realize that a burned Elbereth square isn't exactly very useful for someone wanting to do illiterate conduct.  Of course you'd need a scroll of scare monster...  Personally, although it's quite subjective, perhaps [[conduct]] should comment on their relative difficulties. -[[User:Ion frigate|Ion frigate]] 10:58, July 8, 2010 (UTC)
-::: In my opinion, conducts start getting really difficult once you combine them. For example, you can get holy water if you are literate (confused remove curse), theist (water prayer), wishing (wish directly), or non-pacifist (pudding farm for it), but I can't imagine how to go about it without any of these options. Multiconduct aspects don't fit nicely into the Wikihack's structure, though they are the most interesting to play and to write about. I've had long debates with Djao on this. [[User:Tjr|Tjr]] 13:59, July 8, 2010 (UTC)
+::: In my opinion, conducts start getting really difficult once you combine them. For example, you can get holy water if you are literate (confused remove curse), theist (water prayer), wishing (wish directly), or non-pacifist (pudding farm for it), but I can't imagine how to go about it without any of these options. Multiconduct aspects don't fit nicely into the NetHackWiki's structure, though they are the most interesting to play and to write about. I've had long debates with Djao on this. [[User:Tjr|Tjr]] 13:59, July 8, 2010 (UTC)
 :::: Quite true; I suppose one might try starting with the actions/things people would want (holy water, DSM, enchanted armor, artifacts, etc) and say how various conducts would make them difficult or impossible, but I could see that being almost as bad as trying to list out conduct combinations.  Maybe just having some of the more common conduct combinatons, or listing ways to do or get things that break no conducts?  (i.e. DS can be gotten from throne looting; good pets from feeding + polytraps, magic harps, or magic traps; reflection 50% of the time in Sokoban, however often in Medusa; experience from foocubi, the Oracle, and tripe; resistances from jewelry and certain artifacts; and other things like that)

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	Wouldn't it make much more sense to replace Death with Famine / Pestilence for polearm farming? The obvious advantage is that you can level drain them until they only have one max HP, which means you don't have to eat a single ring. I'm guessing the author chose Death to farm because F & P can be tamed, but there are other ways to deal with Death (e.g. lure him into a room and then revgen blue jellies into the doorway). --[[User:Darth l33t\|Darth l33t]] 17:19, July 21, 2010 (UTC)		Wouldn't it make much more sense to replace Death with Famine / Pestilence for polearm farming? The obvious advantage is that you can level drain them until they only have one max HP, which means you don't have to eat a single ring. I'm guessing the author chose Death to farm because F & P can be tamed, but there are other ways to deal with Death (e.g. lure him into a room and then revgen blue jellies into the doorway). --[[User:Darth l33t\|Darth l33t]] 17:19, July 21, 2010 (UTC)
	: I thought it was because Death is near-harmless once your character has hitpoints in the millions, while letting the other two hit you ocassionally (IP fragmentation ...) will kill you if you don't supervise the operation. [[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 22:08, July 21, 2010 (UTC)		: I thought it was because Death is near-harmless once your character has hitpoints in the millions, while letting the other two hit you ocassionally (IP fragmentation ...) will kill you if you don't supervise the operation. [[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 22:08, July 21, 2010 (UTC)
		+	:: That makes some sense, although if you're being hit by Death, that means your farm is broken anyway. Maybe the article could be edited to suggest Famine or Pestilence on a local copy. I don't know if it's even worth the bother, though; farming the Riders would seem to fall under "don't bother if you don't know exactly what you're doing", and I see this strategy as more a bit of trivia than an actual how-to. --[[User:Darth l33t\|Darth l33t]] 19:17, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

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 ==Death farming vs. Famine / Pestilence farming==
 Wouldn't it make much more sense to replace Death with Famine / Pestilence for polearm farming?  The obvious advantage is that you can level drain them until they only have one max HP, which means you don't have to eat a single ring.  I'm guessing the author chose Death to farm because F & P can be tamed, but there are other ways to deal with Death (e.g. lure him into a room and then revgen blue jellies into the doorway). --[[User:Darth l33t|Darth l33t]] 17:19, July 21, 2010 (UTC)
-: I thought it was because Death is near-harmless once your character has hitpoints in the millions, while letting the other two hit you ocassionally (IP fragmentation ...) can will you if you don't supervise the operation. [[User:Tjr|Tjr]] 22:08, July 21, 2010 (UTC)
+: I thought it was because Death is near-harmless once your character has hitpoints in the millions, while letting the other two hit you ocassionally (IP fragmentation ...) will kill you if you don't supervise the operation. [[User:Tjr|Tjr]] 22:08, July 21, 2010 (UTC)