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Tjr at 23:09, 20 September 2010

2010-09-20T23:09:14Z

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	:: Yes, I was thinking of Gehennom in a 12-conduct game without bones stuffing (i.e. keeping all tracked conducts). After [http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.roguelike.nethack/browse_thread/thread/1627ea80a202eb2d some discussion on RGRN], I settled on wizards for the starting equipment. Most ways to handle fire traps have some drawbacks:		:: Yes, I was thinking of Gehennom in a 12-conduct game without bones stuffing (i.e. keeping all tracked conducts). After [http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.roguelike.nethack/browse_thread/thread/1627ea80a202eb2d some discussion on RGRN], I settled on wizards for the starting equipment. Most ways to handle fire traps have some drawbacks:
	::# Alchemize huge amounts of hit points, and shrug off the loss in max HP. Few monsters have a melee fire attack.		::# Alchemize huge amounts of hit points, and shrug off the loss in max HP. Few monsters have a melee fire attack.
			::# The Mitre requires finding post-quest priest bones and also a helm of opposite alignment.
	::# Fire Brand, if found on the floor, is still a risk to pacifist & weaponless conducts.		::# Fire Brand, if found on the floor, is still a risk to pacifist & weaponless conducts.
	::# A ring of fire resistance, if found on the floor, competes with slow digestion, teleportation, shape changers, searching, free action, situational resistances, and a lot of other things.		::# A ring of fire resistance, if found on the floor, competes with slow digestion, teleportation, shape changers, searching, free action, situational resistances, and a lot of other things.

Tjr: /* Trap evasion */

2010-09-20T23:05:57Z

Trap evasion

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	If you ride a dragon, do you miss all those obnoxious fire traps, or is it just trap doors, holes, pits? If yes, that could double for fire resistance. {{unsigned\|tjr}}		If you ride a dragon, do you miss all those obnoxious fire traps, or is it just trap doors, holes, pits? If yes, that could double for fire resistance. {{unsigned\|tjr}}
	:No. You still take full damage. I assume this is for a multi-conduct game? Is it possible to obtain and wield Fire Brand for the fire resistance? Or you could play as a Priest for the Mitre, or a Tourist + crystal ball to detect the traps. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 22:21, September 20, 2010 (UTC)		:No. You still take full damage. I assume this is for a multi-conduct game? Is it possible to obtain and wield Fire Brand for the fire resistance? Or you could play as a Priest for the Mitre, or a Tourist + crystal ball to detect the traps. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 22:21, September 20, 2010 (UTC)
			:: Yes, I was thinking of Gehennom in a 12-conduct game without bones stuffing (i.e. keeping all tracked conducts). After [http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.roguelike.nethack/browse_thread/thread/1627ea80a202eb2d some discussion on RGRN], I settled on wizards for the starting equipment. Most ways to handle fire traps have some drawbacks:
			::# Alchemize huge amounts of hit points, and shrug off the loss in max HP. Few monsters have a melee fire attack.
			::# Fire Brand, if found on the floor, is still a risk to pacifist & weaponless conducts.
			::# A ring of fire resistance, if found on the floor, competes with slow digestion, teleportation, shape changers, searching, free action, situational resistances, and a lot of other things.
			::# Red dragon scales are available at a throne, but compete with green and silver ones.
			::# 2% of all elvenkings carry a crystal ball, and spellcasters can summon them beyond extinction.
			:: As for now, solution number one looks the most feasible. [[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 23:05, September 20, 2010 (UTC)

Qazmlpok: /* Trap evasion */

2010-09-20T22:21:29Z

Trap evasion

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	==Trap evasion==		==Trap evasion==
	If you ride a dragon, do you miss all those obnoxious fire traps, or is it just trap doors, holes, pits? If yes, that could double for fire resistance.		If you ride a dragon, do you miss all those obnoxious fire traps, or is it just trap doors, holes, pits? If yes, that could double for fire resistance. {{unsigned\|tjr}}
			:No. You still take full damage. I assume this is for a multi-conduct game? Is it possible to obtain and wield Fire Brand for the fire resistance? Or you could play as a Priest for the Mitre, or a Tourist + crystal ball to detect the traps. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 22:21, September 20, 2010 (UTC)

Tjr: riding a flying steed instead of fire resistance.

2010-09-20T20:09:59Z

riding a flying steed instead of fire resistance.

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	:: Cool. I see that you added a phrase for Wizards. I tweaked the sentence a bit more; feel free to adjust as necessary. [[User:Djao\|djao]] 07:29, July 5, 2010 (UTC)		:: Cool. I see that you added a phrase for Wizards. I tweaked the sentence a bit more; feel free to adjust as necessary. [[User:Djao\|djao]] 07:29, July 5, 2010 (UTC)
	::: Thanks. Your quality of writing is way better than mine, so I'm going to leave it. [[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 12:33, July 5, 2010 (UTC)		::: Thanks. Your quality of writing is way better than mine, so I'm going to leave it. [[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 12:33, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

			==Trap evasion==
			If you ride a dragon, do you miss all those obnoxious fire traps, or is it just trap doors, holes, pits? If yes, that could double for fire resistance.

Tjr: kudos

2010-07-05T12:33:51Z

kudos

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	: Good point. Still, it's way better than nothing, and I believe a tourist YAAP first brought this trick to my attention. (Sadly, I can't find the post anymore.) Essentially, even a foodless character with rings of polymorph and polymorph control has access to unlimited nutrition if you can deal with your stats random walking (hint: alchimize potions obtained from throne farming). [[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 11:18, July 3, 2010 (UTC)		: Good point. Still, it's way better than nothing, and I believe a tourist YAAP first brought this trick to my attention. (Sadly, I can't find the post anymore.) Essentially, even a foodless character with rings of polymorph and polymorph control has access to unlimited nutrition if you can deal with your stats random walking (hint: alchimize potions obtained from throne farming). [[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 11:18, July 3, 2010 (UTC)
	:: Cool. I see that you added a phrase for Wizards. I tweaked the sentence a bit more; feel free to adjust as necessary. [[User:Djao\|djao]] 07:29, July 5, 2010 (UTC)		:: Cool. I see that you added a phrase for Wizards. I tweaked the sentence a bit more; feel free to adjust as necessary. [[User:Djao\|djao]] 07:29, July 5, 2010 (UTC)
			::: Thanks. Your quality of writing is way better than mine, so I'm going to leave it. [[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 12:33, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

Djao: /* Monster detection? */

2010-07-05T07:29:48Z

Monster detection?

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	I don't think skilled monster detection is a good substitute for telepathy in a foodless game unless you're a Wizard, since casting spells costs nutrition for a non-Wizard. [[User:Djao\|djao]] 07:04, July 3, 2010 (UTC)		I don't think skilled monster detection is a good substitute for telepathy in a foodless game unless you're a Wizard, since casting spells costs nutrition for a non-Wizard. [[User:Djao\|djao]] 07:04, July 3, 2010 (UTC)
	: Good point. Still, it's way better than nothing, and I believe a tourist YAAP first brought this trick to my attention. (Sadly, I can't find the post anymore.) Essentially, even a foodless character with rings of polymorph and polymorph control has access to unlimited nutrition if you can deal with your stats random walking (hint: alchimize potions obtained from throne farming). [[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 11:18, July 3, 2010 (UTC)		: Good point. Still, it's way better than nothing, and I believe a tourist YAAP first brought this trick to my attention. (Sadly, I can't find the post anymore.) Essentially, even a foodless character with rings of polymorph and polymorph control has access to unlimited nutrition if you can deal with your stats random walking (hint: alchimize potions obtained from throne farming). [[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 11:18, July 3, 2010 (UTC)
			:: Cool. I see that you added a phrase for Wizards. I tweaked the sentence a bit more; feel free to adjust as necessary. [[User:Djao\|djao]] 07:29, July 5, 2010 (UTC)

Tjr: even if monster detection uses hunger, it's still useful. But Djao's point stands.

2010-07-03T11:18:33Z

even if monster detection uses hunger, it's still useful. But Djao's point stands.

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	I don't think skilled monster detection is a good substitute for telepathy in a foodless game unless you're a Wizard, since casting spells costs nutrition for a non-Wizard. [[User:Djao\|djao]] 07:04, July 3, 2010 (UTC)		I don't think skilled monster detection is a good substitute for telepathy in a foodless game unless you're a Wizard, since casting spells costs nutrition for a non-Wizard. [[User:Djao\|djao]] 07:04, July 3, 2010 (UTC)
			: Good point. Still, it's way better than nothing, and I believe a tourist YAAP first brought this trick to my attention. (Sadly, I can't find the post anymore.) Essentially, even a foodless character with rings of polymorph and polymorph control has access to unlimited nutrition if you can deal with your stats random walking (hint: alchimize potions obtained from throne farming). [[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 11:18, July 3, 2010 (UTC)

Djao: monster detection for non-Wizards

2010-07-03T07:04:09Z

monster detection for non-Wizards

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=== Monster detection? ===

I don't think skilled monster detection is a good substitute for telepathy in a foodless game unless you're a Wizard, since casting spells costs nutrition for a non-Wizard. [[User:Djao|djao]] 07:04, July 3, 2010 (UTC)

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	: Good point. Still, it's way better than nothing, and I believe a tourist YAAP first brought this trick to my attention. (Sadly, I can't find the post anymore.) Essentially, even a foodless character with rings of polymorph and polymorph control has access to unlimited nutrition if you can deal with your stats random walking (hint: alchimize potions obtained from throne farming). [[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 11:18, July 3, 2010 (UTC)		: Good point. Still, it's way better than nothing, and I believe a tourist YAAP first brought this trick to my attention. (Sadly, I can't find the post anymore.) Essentially, even a foodless character with rings of polymorph and polymorph control has access to unlimited nutrition if you can deal with your stats random walking (hint: alchimize potions obtained from throne farming). [[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 11:18, July 3, 2010 (UTC)
	:: Cool. I see that you added a phrase for Wizards. I tweaked the sentence a bit more; feel free to adjust as necessary. [[User:Djao\|djao]] 07:29, July 5, 2010 (UTC)		:: Cool. I see that you added a phrase for Wizards. I tweaked the sentence a bit more; feel free to adjust as necessary. [[User:Djao\|djao]] 07:29, July 5, 2010 (UTC)
			::: Thanks. Your quality of writing is way better than mine, so I'm going to leave it. [[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 12:33, July 5, 2010 (UTC)