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Mitlcl: Wiki is unclear about when magic fountains become ordinary

2018-01-09T00:43:40Z

Wiki is unclear about when magic fountains become ordinary

Qazmlpok: /* Magic Fountain and Luck */

2012-12-07T23:02:33Z

‎Magic Fountain and Luck

64.25.5.190: /* Magic Fountain and Luck */ new section

2012-12-07T17:45:54Z

‎Magic Fountain and Luck: new section

Tjr at 09:36, 28 September 2011

2011-09-28T09:36:15Z

Qazmlpok at 00:23, 28 September 2011

2011-09-28T00:23:39Z

Tjr: /* Fountain strategy */ changed my mind

2010-08-03T11:41:35Z

‎Fountain strategy: changed my mind

Tjr: why people don't quaff once they can

2009-08-11T00:45:31Z

why people don't quaff once they can

217.118.66.78 at 23:24, 10 August 2009

2009-08-10T23:24:25Z

217.118.66.78: /* Fountain strategy */ new section

2009-08-10T23:22:46Z

‎Fountain strategy: new section

Tjr: /* can i get a wish if i drop 1 coin into a fountain? */

2009-07-07T10:57:38Z

‎can i get a wish if i drop 1 coin into a fountain?

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	Is it certain that magic fountains give the blessed gain ability at greater than 4 luck? I recently quaffed one after confirming "very lucky"(5-9) via enlightenment and only received the uncursed gain ability effect.		Is it certain that magic fountains give the blessed gain ability at greater than 4 luck? I recently quaffed one after confirming "very lucky"(5-9) via enlightenment and only received the uncursed gain ability effect.
	:Yes. It compares u.uluck against 4. However this is not the same as ''Luck''. A comment in the fountain source code says "''natural'' luck", so it looks like the bonus from a luckstone is not included for the fountain bonus, but is in normal calls to rnl() or the englightenment message. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] ([[User talk:Qazmlpok\|talk]]) 23:02, 7 December 2012 (UTC)		:Yes. It compares u.uluck against 4. However this is not the same as ''Luck''. A comment in the fountain source code says "''natural'' luck", so it looks like the bonus from a luckstone is not included for the fountain bonus, but is in normal calls to rnl() or the englightenment message. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] ([[User talk:Qazmlpok\|talk]]) 23:02, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
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		+	== Magic Fountains becoming Ordinary ==
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		+	The text doesn't make clear whether magic fountains become ordinary after increasing even one stat, or whether only after the high-luck effect of raising all stats. --[[User:Mitlcl\|Mitlcl]] ([[User talk:Mitlcl\|talk]]) 00:43, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

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	Is it certain that magic fountains give the blessed gain ability at greater than 4 luck? I recently quaffed one after confirming "very lucky"(5-9) via enlightenment and only received the uncursed gain ability effect.		Is it certain that magic fountains give the blessed gain ability at greater than 4 luck? I recently quaffed one after confirming "very lucky"(5-9) via enlightenment and only received the uncursed gain ability effect.
		+	:Yes. It compares u.uluck against 4. However this is not the same as ''Luck''. A comment in the fountain source code says "''natural'' luck", so it looks like the bonus from a luckstone is not included for the fountain bonus, but is in normal calls to rnl() or the englightenment message. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] ([[User talk:Qazmlpok\|talk]]) 23:02, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

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	:Yes, done. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 09:36, 28 September 2011 (UTC)		:Yes, done. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 09:36, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
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		+	== Magic Fountain and Luck ==
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		+	Is it certain that magic fountains give the blessed gain ability at greater than 4 luck? I recently quaffed one after confirming "very lucky"(5-9) via enlightenment and only received the uncursed gain ability effect.

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	== Non-random magic fountain ==		== Non-random magic fountain ==
	I recall reading somewhere that only randomly generated fountains can be magic fountains; anything specifically created like the castle fountain or minetown fountains will always be non-magical. Wizard mode testing seems to confirm this; over 100 minetown fountains through savescumming and not a single magic fountain. I do not have a sourceref for this though, as I have no idea how maps are generated. If this is the case, then the section on magic-fountain hunting in Minetown can be removed entirely as well. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 00:23, 28 September 2011 (UTC)		I recall reading somewhere that only randomly generated fountains can be magic fountains; anything specifically created like the castle fountain or minetown fountains will always be non-magical. Wizard mode testing seems to confirm this; over 100 minetown fountains through savescumming and not a single magic fountain. I do not have a sourceref for this though, as I have no idea how maps are generated. If this is the case, then the section on magic-fountain hunting in Minetown can be removed entirely as well. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 00:23, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
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		+	:Yes, done. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 09:36, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

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	::Let me tone down my reply. Once you are sure you can handle the snakes and you have a sack to protect items from curses, go ahead. I still think this is mostly relevant to speed runners, who have few items.[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 11:41, August 3, 2010 (UTC)		::Let me tone down my reply. Once you are sure you can handle the snakes and you have a sack to protect items from curses, go ahead. I still think this is mostly relevant to speed runners, who have few items.[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 11:41, August 3, 2010 (UTC)
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		+	== Non-random magic fountain ==
		+	I recall reading somewhere that only randomly generated fountains can be magic fountains; anything specifically created like the castle fountain or minetown fountains will always be non-magical. Wizard mode testing seems to confirm this; over 100 minetown fountains through savescumming and not a single magic fountain. I do not have a sourceref for this though, as I have no idea how maps are generated. If this is the case, then the section on magic-fountain hunting in Minetown can be removed entirely as well. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 00:23, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

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	: Of course, the situation changes if you are conduct-hampered or want to scare the Riders with fountain breath to brag about it. But in that case you are probably skilled and knowledgable enough to answer your own question.		: Of course, the situation changes if you are conduct-hampered or want to scare the Riders with fountain breath to brag about it. But in that case you are probably skilled and knowledgable enough to answer your own question.
	: Personally, I break a fountain near my main stash for non-magic pools and sometimes dip for Excalibur if I get a helmet of opposite alignment and a pet archon. (My favorite role cannot start lawful.) That's it. -[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 00:45, 11 August 2009 (UTC)		: Personally, I break a fountain near my main stash for non-magic pools and sometimes dip for Excalibur if I get a helmet of opposite alignment and a pet archon. (My favorite role cannot start lawful.) That's it. -[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 00:45, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
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		+	::Let me tone down my reply. Once you are sure you can handle the snakes and you have a sack to protect items from curses, go ahead. I still think this is mostly relevant to speed runners, who have few items.[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 11:41, August 3, 2010 (UTC)

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	It is obvious why early charactrs shouldn't drink from the fountains. But what about mid-game? Should I try drinking from fountains or this is a bad idea? [[Special:Contributions/217.118.66.78\|217.118.66.78]] 23:24, 10 August 2009 (UTC)		It is obvious why early charactrs shouldn't drink from the fountains. But what about mid-game? Should I try drinking from fountains or this is a bad idea? [[Special:Contributions/217.118.66.78\|217.118.66.78]] 23:24, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
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		+	: What do you hope to gain from fountain quaffing? To quaff safely, you need (a subset of) good armor, a reliable way to uncurse stuff, a backup bag to avoid getting stuff cursed or stolen and used on you, and preferrably several powerful pets to kill the snakes. By the time you have all this, alchemy is ususally a far quicker, easier and safer way to up your stats. The wish is so rare it isn't worth it, and because wishes are so rare, most items you really would want to wish for can (due to game balance) be acquired or subsituted for by normal means, provided you know how. Curses are best supplied by blessed, confused remove curse. That leaves the slight chance of gold, gems, nymph inventory, enlightenment, see invisible, or bad breath as motivations to quaff fountains. None of those are particularily good trade-offs, in my score.
		+	: Of course, the situation changes if you are conduct-hampered or want to scare the Riders with fountain breath to brag about it. But in that case you are probably skilled and knowledgable enough to answer your own question.
		+	: Personally, I break a fountain near my main stash for non-magic pools and sometimes dip for Excalibur if I get a helmet of opposite alignment and a pet archon. (My favorite role cannot start lawful.) That's it. -[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 00:45, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

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−	It is obvious why early charactrs shouldn't drink from the fountains. But what about mid-game? Should I try drinking from fountains or this is a bad idea?	+	It is obvious why early charactrs shouldn't drink from the fountains. But what about mid-game? Should I try drinking from fountains or this is a bad idea? [[Special:Contributions/217.118.66.78\|217.118.66.78]] 23:24, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

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	: No, but that's a recurring YANI. Maybe there is already a patch you can hunt down. -[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 10:57, 7 July 2009 (UTC)		: No, but that's a recurring YANI. Maybe there is already a patch you can hunt down. -[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 10:57, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
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		+	== Fountain strategy ==
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		+	It is obvious why early charactrs shouldn't drink from the fountains. But what about mid-game? Should I try drinking from fountains or this is a bad idea?

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		+	: No, but that's a recurring YANI. Maybe there is already a patch you can hunt down. -[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 10:57, 7 July 2009 (UTC)