Talk:Gehennom - Revision history

Umbire the Phantom: pothole + refsrc fix

2024-02-11T14:14:44Z

pothole + refsrc fix

Actual-nh: /* Can't find in code re no lawful random generation in Gehennom */ Thanks!

2021-05-03T04:04:26Z

‎Can't find in code re no lawful random generation in Gehennom: Thanks!

Andrio Celos: /* Can't find in code re no lawful random generation in Gehennom */

2021-05-03T03:25:01Z

‎Can't find in code re no lawful random generation in Gehennom

Umbire the Phantom: /* Can't find in code re no lawful random generation in Gehennom */

2021-05-02T01:18:36Z

‎Can't find in code re no lawful random generation in Gehennom

Umbire the Phantom: /* Can't find in code re no lawful random generation in Gehennom */

2021-05-02T01:18:08Z

‎Can't find in code re no lawful random generation in Gehennom

Actual-nh: /* Can't find in code re no lawful random generation in Gehennom */ Thanks for clarification, BTW

2021-05-02T01:06:37Z

‎Can't find in code re no lawful random generation in Gehennom: Thanks for clarification, BTW

Actual-nh: /* Can't find in code re no lawful generation in Gehennom */ Correcting header; am specifically interested in random generation

2021-05-02T01:05:52Z

‎Can't find in code re no lawful generation in Gehennom: Correcting header; am specifically interested in random generation

Umbire the Phantom: /* Can't find in code re no lawful generation in Gehennom */

2021-05-02T00:58:17Z

‎Can't find in code re no lawful generation in Gehennom

Actual-nh: /* Can't find in code re no lawful generation in Gehennom */ new section

2021-05-02T00:53:44Z

‎Can't find in code re no lawful generation in Gehennom: new section

Andrio Celos: /* Not a self-answering question re instadeath */

2021-02-16T02:32:06Z

‎Not a self-answering question re instadeath

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 ::::: No, recommended =/= necessity. And? I never wrote otherwise. -[[User:Actual-nh|Actual-nh]] ([[User talk:Actual-nh|talk]]) 03:59, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
-::: A link to the [[NetHack 3.1.0]] source code can be found in the relevant article. It can be verified that NetHack 3.1.0 does not make entering Gehennom without fire resistance an instadeath, while it is in [[NetHack 3.0.10]]{{refsrc|src/do.c|701|nethack=3.0.10}}.  - [[User:Andrio Celos|Andrio Celos]] ([[User talk:Andrio Celos|talk]]) 02:31, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
+::: A link to the [[NetHack 3.1.0]] source code can be found in the relevant article. It can be verified that NetHack 3.1.0 does not make entering Gehennom without fire resistance an instadeath, while it is in [[NetHack 3.0.10]]{{refsrc|do.c|701|nethack=3.0.10}}.  - [[User:Andrio Celos|Andrio Celos]] ([[User talk:Andrio Celos|talk]]) 02:31, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
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 ::NP. Think you might want gehennom.des or something in that vein. Happy diving in any case. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom|talk]]) 01:18, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
-: By the way, the check is in [https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/blob/NetHack-3.6.6_Released/src/makemon.c#L1473-L1474 src/makemon.c in NetHack 3.6.6, line 1473]. As mentioned above, it only applies to randomly generated monsters, and not to lawful [[demon prince]]s, [[Demon#Demons summoning demons|demons they summon]] or [[summon nasties]].  - [[User:Andrio Celos|Andrio Celos]] ([[User talk:Andrio Celos|talk]]) 03:24, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
+: By the way, the check is in [https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/blob/NetHack-3.6.6_Released/src/makemon.c#L1473-L1474 src/makemon.c in NetHack 3.6.6, line 1473]. As mentioned above, it only applies to randomly generated monsters, and not to lawful [[demon prince]]s, [[Demon gating|demons they summon]] or [[summon nasties]].  - [[User:Andrio Celos|Andrio Celos]] ([[User talk:Andrio Celos|talk]]) 03:24, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
 ::Thanks! -[[User:Actual-nh|Actual-nh]] ([[User talk:Actual-nh|talk]]) 04:04, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

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	::NP. Think you might want gehennom.des or something in that vein. Happy diving in any case. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 01:18, 2 May 2021 (UTC)		::NP. Think you might want gehennom.des or something in that vein. Happy diving in any case. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 01:18, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
	: By the way, the check is in [https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/blob/NetHack-3.6.6_Released/src/makemon.c#L1473-L1474 src/makemon.c in NetHack 3.6.6, line 1473]. As mentioned above, it only applies to randomly generated monsters, and not to lawful [[demon prince]]s, [[Demon#Demons summoning demons\|demons they summon]] or [[summon nasties]]. - [[User:Andrio Celos\|Andrio Celos]] ([[User talk:Andrio Celos\|talk]]) 03:24, 3 May 2021 (UTC)		: By the way, the check is in [https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/blob/NetHack-3.6.6_Released/src/makemon.c#L1473-L1474 src/makemon.c in NetHack 3.6.6, line 1473]. As mentioned above, it only applies to randomly generated monsters, and not to lawful [[demon prince]]s, [[Demon#Demons summoning demons\|demons they summon]] or [[summon nasties]]. - [[User:Andrio Celos\|Andrio Celos]] ([[User talk:Andrio Celos\|talk]]) 03:24, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
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		+	::Thanks! -[[User:Actual-nh\|Actual-nh]] ([[User talk:Actual-nh\|talk]]) 04:04, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

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	::NP. Think you might want gehennom.des or something in that vein. Happy diving in any case. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 01:18, 2 May 2021 (UTC)		::NP. Think you might want gehennom.des or something in that vein. Happy diving in any case. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 01:18, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
		+	: By the way, the check is in [https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/blob/NetHack-3.6.6_Released/src/makemon.c#L1473-L1474 src/makemon.c in NetHack 3.6.6, line 1473]. As mentioned above, it only applies to randomly generated monsters, and not to lawful [[demon prince]]s, [[Demon#Demons summoning demons\|demons they summon]] or [[summon nasties]]. - [[User:Andrio Celos\|Andrio Celos]] ([[User talk:Andrio Celos\|talk]]) 03:24, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

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 ::: A link to the [[NetHack 3.1.0]] source code can be found in the relevant article. It can be verified that NetHack 3.1.0 does not make entering Gehennom without fire resistance an instadeath, while it is in [[NetHack 3.0.10]]{{refsrc|src/do.c|701|nethack=3.0.10}}.  - [[User:Andrio Celos|Andrio Celos]] ([[User talk:Andrio Celos|talk]]) 02:31, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
 == Can't find in code re no lawful random generation in Gehennom ==
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 ::Ah. I was specifically wondering about the random generation, actually (the lawful demon lords was a side topic; note "partially") - sorry for being unclear, but thank you for the clarification. -[[User:Actual-nh|Actual-nh]] ([[User talk:Actual-nh|talk]]) 01:05, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
-::NP. Think you might want gehennom.des or something in that vein,. Happy diving in any case. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom|talk]]) 01:18, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
+::NP. Think you might want gehennom.des or something in that vein. Happy diving in any case. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom|talk]]) 01:18, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

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	::Ah. I was specifically wondering about the random generation, actually (the lawful demon lords was a side topic; note "partially") - sorry for being unclear, but thank you for the clarification. -[[User:Actual-nh\|Actual-nh]] ([[User talk:Actual-nh\|talk]]) 01:05, 2 May 2021 (UTC)		::Ah. I was specifically wondering about the random generation, actually (the lawful demon lords was a side topic; note "partially") - sorry for being unclear, but thank you for the clarification. -[[User:Actual-nh\|Actual-nh]] ([[User talk:Actual-nh\|talk]]) 01:05, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
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		+	::NP. Think you might want gehennom.des or something in that vein,. Happy diving in any case. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 01:18, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

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	:That's me not being specific enough - lawful monsters aren't ''randomly'' generated in Gehennom, though lawful demons are still generated in appropriate areas. (e.g. the VotD graveyards, Asmodeus's lair) Honestly, it's generally best to look through the wiki as well as the code to see if the question isn't answered elsewhere. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 00:58, 2 May 2021 (UTC)		:That's me not being specific enough - lawful monsters aren't ''randomly'' generated in Gehennom, though lawful demons are still generated in appropriate areas. (e.g. the VotD graveyards, Asmodeus's lair) Honestly, it's generally best to look through the wiki as well as the code to see if the question isn't answered elsewhere. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 00:58, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

−	::Ah. I was specifically wondering about the random generation, actually (the lawful demon lords was a side topic; note "partially") - sorry for being unclear. -[[User:Actual-nh\|Actual-nh]] ([[User talk:Actual-nh\|talk]]) 01:05, 2 May 2021 (UTC)	+	::Ah. I was specifically wondering about the random generation, actually (the lawful demon lords was a side topic; note "partially") - sorry for being unclear, but thank you for the clarification. -[[User:Actual-nh\|Actual-nh]] ([[User talk:Actual-nh\|talk]]) 01:05, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

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 ::: A link to the [[NetHack 3.1.0]] source code can be found in the relevant article. It can be verified that NetHack 3.1.0 does not make entering Gehennom without fire resistance an instadeath, while it is in [[NetHack 3.0.10]]{{refsrc|src/do.c|701|nethack=3.0.10}}.  - [[User:Andrio Celos|Andrio Celos]] ([[User talk:Andrio Celos|talk]]) 02:31, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
-== Can't find in code re no lawful generation in Gehennom ==
+== Can't find in code re no lawful random generation in Gehennom ==
 I've been looking and can't find in the code where lawful (as opposed to G_NOHELL, which is true for all lawful minions AFAIK) monsters are prohibited from generating in Gehennom. Anyone know where it is? (I'm partially wondering because it makes no sense for the lairs of lawful demon lords...) -[[User:Actual-nh|Actual-nh]] ([[User talk:Actual-nh|talk]]) 00:53, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
 :That's me not being specific enough - lawful monsters aren't ''randomly'' generated in Gehennom, though lawful demons are still generated in appropriate areas. (e.g. the VotD graveyards, Asmodeus's lair) Honestly, it's generally best to look through the wiki as well as the code to see if the question isn't answered elsewhere. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom|talk]]) 00:58, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

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	I've been looking and can't find in the code where lawful (as opposed to G_NOHELL, which is true for all lawful minions AFAIK) monsters are prohibited from generating in Gehennom. Anyone know where it is? (I'm partially wondering because it makes no sense for the lairs of lawful demon lords...) -[[User:Actual-nh\|Actual-nh]] ([[User talk:Actual-nh\|talk]]) 00:53, 2 May 2021 (UTC)		I've been looking and can't find in the code where lawful (as opposed to G_NOHELL, which is true for all lawful minions AFAIK) monsters are prohibited from generating in Gehennom. Anyone know where it is? (I'm partially wondering because it makes no sense for the lairs of lawful demon lords...) -[[User:Actual-nh\|Actual-nh]] ([[User talk:Actual-nh\|talk]]) 00:53, 2 May 2021 (UTC)
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		+	:That's me not being specific enough - lawful monsters aren't ''randomly'' generated in Gehennom, though lawful demons are still generated in appropriate areas. (e.g. the VotD graveyards, Asmodeus's lair) Honestly, it's generally best to look through the wiki as well as the code to see if the question isn't answered elsewhere. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 00:58, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

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	::: A link to the [[NetHack 3.1.0]] source code can be found in the relevant article. It can be verified that NetHack 3.1.0 does not make entering Gehennom without fire resistance an instadeath, while it is in [[NetHack 3.0.10]]{{refsrc\|src/do.c\|701\|nethack=3.0.10}}. - [[User:Andrio Celos\|Andrio Celos]] ([[User talk:Andrio Celos\|talk]]) 02:31, 16 February 2021 (UTC)		::: A link to the [[NetHack 3.1.0]] source code can be found in the relevant article. It can be verified that NetHack 3.1.0 does not make entering Gehennom without fire resistance an instadeath, while it is in [[NetHack 3.0.10]]{{refsrc\|src/do.c\|701\|nethack=3.0.10}}. - [[User:Andrio Celos\|Andrio Celos]] ([[User talk:Andrio Celos\|talk]]) 02:31, 16 February 2021 (UTC)
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		+	== Can't find in code re no lawful generation in Gehennom ==
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		+	I've been looking and can't find in the code where lawful (as opposed to G_NOHELL, which is true for all lawful minions AFAIK) monsters are prohibited from generating in Gehennom. Anyone know where it is? (I'm partially wondering because it makes no sense for the lairs of lawful demon lords...) -[[User:Actual-nh\|Actual-nh]] ([[User talk:Actual-nh\|talk]]) 00:53, 2 May 2021 (UTC)

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	::::: No, recommended =/= necessity. And? I never wrote otherwise. -[[User:Actual-nh\|Actual-nh]] ([[User talk:Actual-nh\|talk]]) 03:59, 8 February 2021 (UTC)		::::: No, recommended =/= necessity. And? I never wrote otherwise. -[[User:Actual-nh\|Actual-nh]] ([[User talk:Actual-nh\|talk]]) 03:59, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
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		+	::: A link to the [[NetHack 3.1.0]] source code can be found in the relevant article. It can be verified that NetHack 3.1.0 does not make entering Gehennom without fire resistance an instadeath, while it is in [[NetHack 3.0.10]]{{refsrc\|src/do.c\|701\|nethack=3.0.10}}. - [[User:Andrio Celos\|Andrio Celos]] ([[User talk:Andrio Celos\|talk]]) 02:31, 16 February 2021 (UTC)