Talk:Gem - Revision history

Cathartes: /* Unidentified sell price column */ new section

2022-04-15T03:27:07Z

‎Unidentified sell price column: new section

Tjr at 03:08, 30 September 2011

2011-09-30T03:08:52Z

Qazmlpok: /* Throwing at cross-aligned unicorns */

2011-09-30T02:04:11Z

‎Throwing at cross-aligned unicorns

Ion frigate at 01:53, 30 September 2011

2011-09-30T01:53:18Z

Tjr: /* notes for refactoring */ new section

2011-09-29T12:08:23Z

‎notes for refactoring: new section

Ion frigate: /* Striking */

2011-04-29T20:11:54Z

‎Striking

AileTheAlien: /* Striking */ new section

2011-04-29T14:54:30Z

‎Striking: new section

Tjr: /* Worthless gems and pricing? */

2010-02-11T18:07:15Z

‎Worthless gems and pricing?

Crystallina at 12:57, 11 February 2010

2010-02-11T12:57:30Z

71.1.25.214: /* Loadstone a pun by devteam? */ new section

2007-12-24T19:06:25Z

‎Loadstone a pun by devteam?: new section

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	:I've never bothered since the expected luck gain is 0 and there's no readily available way to see what the result was. However if you know you have 0 base luck and a blessed luckstone you can safely do this. Bad luck will time out while good luck will not, so as long as you can wait for the potentially bad luck to time out you have a chance to get a small increase to luck with little risk. You can even recover the gems directly if you're strong enough, as you won't have to worry about a luck penalty for killing it. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 02:04, 30 September 2011 (UTC)		:I've never bothered since the expected luck gain is 0 and there's no readily available way to see what the result was. However if you know you have 0 base luck and a blessed luckstone you can safely do this. Bad luck will time out while good luck will not, so as long as you can wait for the potentially bad luck to time out you have a chance to get a small increase to luck with little risk. You can even recover the gems directly if you're strong enough, as you won't have to worry about a luck penalty for killing it. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 02:04, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
	::IMHO the only reason it should be mentioned at all is completeness. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 03:08, 30 September 2011 (UTC)		::IMHO the only reason it should be mentioned at all is completeness. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 03:08, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
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		+	== Unidentified sell price column ==
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		+	The unidentified sell price column is out of date because it hasn't been updated since 3.4.3 and nobody really cares about this esoteric mechanic enough to calculate and update the prices. The code that determines the sell price is in {{refsrc\|src/shk.c\|2340\|nethack=3.6.6}}, but the actual values depend on the object type ids from [[onames.h]], which are generated by [[makedefs]] and depend on the number of objects defined before the gems, which probably also depends on the particular compilation flags (some objects like [[scroll of mail]] precede the gems and are conditionally defined). This could probably be done using a template to calculate the values given, and the value of the first defined gem (DILITHIUM_CRYSTAL) in onames.h should be given to allow readers to verify it. Alternatively, the column could be removed for being a nightmare to maintain while not being very useful (and replaced by a mention and a source code reference), and somebody who cares enough could make an external web page or something that we could link to, whcih would calculate the sell prices, using as input the value of DILITHIUM_CRYSTAL in onames.h. [[User:Cathartes\|Cathartes]] ([[User talk:Cathartes\|talk]]) 03:27, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

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	This seems like a bad idea. Random luck adjustment means you're likely to lower your luck if you have maxed it, or have a decent chance of making it negative if you haven't. It seems like it'd be a much better idea to simply throw the gems at a coaligned unicorn, and then use a pet to kill it if when you want your gems back. A well-trained [[warhorse]] is more than a match for one. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 01:53, 30 September 2011 (UTC)		This seems like a bad idea. Random luck adjustment means you're likely to lower your luck if you have maxed it, or have a decent chance of making it negative if you haven't. It seems like it'd be a much better idea to simply throw the gems at a coaligned unicorn, and then use a pet to kill it if when you want your gems back. A well-trained [[warhorse]] is more than a match for one. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 01:53, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
	:I've never bothered since the expected luck gain is 0 and there's no readily available way to see what the result was. However if you know you have 0 base luck and a blessed luckstone you can safely do this. Bad luck will time out while good luck will not, so as long as you can wait for the potentially bad luck to time out you have a chance to get a small increase to luck with little risk. You can even recover the gems directly if you're strong enough, as you won't have to worry about a luck penalty for killing it. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 02:04, 30 September 2011 (UTC)		:I've never bothered since the expected luck gain is 0 and there's no readily available way to see what the result was. However if you know you have 0 base luck and a blessed luckstone you can safely do this. Bad luck will time out while good luck will not, so as long as you can wait for the potentially bad luck to time out you have a chance to get a small increase to luck with little risk. You can even recover the gems directly if you're strong enough, as you won't have to worry about a luck penalty for killing it. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 02:04, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
		+	::IMHO the only reason it should be mentioned at all is completeness. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 03:08, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

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	== Throwing at cross-aligned unicorns ==		== Throwing at cross-aligned unicorns ==
	This seems like a bad idea. Random luck adjustment means you're likely to lower your luck if you have maxed it, or have a decent chance of making it negative if you haven't. It seems like it'd be a much better idea to simply throw the gems at a coaligned unicorn, and then use a pet to kill it if when you want your gems back. A well-trained [[warhorse]] is more than a match for one. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 01:53, 30 September 2011 (UTC)		This seems like a bad idea. Random luck adjustment means you're likely to lower your luck if you have maxed it, or have a decent chance of making it negative if you haven't. It seems like it'd be a much better idea to simply throw the gems at a coaligned unicorn, and then use a pet to kill it if when you want your gems back. A well-trained [[warhorse]] is more than a match for one. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 01:53, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
		+	:I've never bothered since the expected luck gain is 0 and there's no readily available way to see what the result was. However if you know you have 0 base luck and a blessed luckstone you can safely do this. Bad luck will time out while good luck will not, so as long as you can wait for the potentially bad luck to time out you have a chance to get a small increase to luck with little risk. You can even recover the gems directly if you're strong enough, as you won't have to worry about a luck penalty for killing it. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] 02:04, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

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	gem prices aren't random, they just look random to the uninitiated.		gem prices aren't random, they just look random to the uninitiated.
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		+	== Throwing at cross-aligned unicorns ==
		+	This seems like a bad idea. Random luck adjustment means you're likely to lower your luck if you have maxed it, or have a decent chance of making it negative if you haven't. It seems like it'd be a much better idea to simply throw the gems at a coaligned unicorn, and then use a pet to kill it if when you want your gems back. A well-trained [[warhorse]] is more than a match for one. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 01:53, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

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	Will gems shatter if shot by striking (like crystal plate mail does)? --[[User:AileTheAlien\|AileTheAlien]] 14:54, 29 April 2011 (UTC)		Will gems shatter if shot by striking (like crystal plate mail does)? --[[User:AileTheAlien\|AileTheAlien]] 14:54, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
	:No. It used to be that worthless gems, being made of glass, would, but this was fixed a long time ago. The problem was it provided an easy way to identify valuable gems (see [[kickboxing]]). -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 20:11, 29 April 2011 (UTC)		:No. It used to be that worthless gems, being made of glass, would, but this was fixed a long time ago. The problem was it provided an easy way to identify valuable gems (see [[kickboxing]]). -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 20:11, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
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		+	== notes for refactoring ==
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		+	gem prices aren't random, they just look random to the uninitiated.

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	Will gems shatter if shot by striking (like crystal plate mail does)? --[[User:AileTheAlien\|AileTheAlien]] 14:54, 29 April 2011 (UTC)		Will gems shatter if shot by striking (like crystal plate mail does)? --[[User:AileTheAlien\|AileTheAlien]] 14:54, 29 April 2011 (UTC)
		+	:No. It used to be that worthless gems, being made of glass, would, but this was fixed a long time ago. The problem was it provided an easy way to identify valuable gems (see [[kickboxing]]). -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 20:11, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

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	: Pricing of gems in shops has been changed since that spoiler was written. The other parts are still up to date, however. -[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 18:07, February 11, 2010 (UTC)		: Pricing of gems in shops has been changed since that spoiler was written. The other parts are still up to date, however. -[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 18:07, February 11, 2010 (UTC)
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		+	== Striking ==
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		+	Will gems shatter if shot by striking (like crystal plate mail does)? --[[User:AileTheAlien\|AileTheAlien]] 14:54, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

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	Anyone know what's up with [[http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~damerell/games/nhid.html#gems this?]]		Anyone know what's up with [[http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~damerell/games/nhid.html#gems this?]]
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		+	: Pricing of gems in shops has been changed since that spoiler was written. The other parts are still up to date, however. -[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 18:07, February 11, 2010 (UTC)

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	Loadstones existed in early editions of D&D.		Loadstones existed in early editions of D&D.
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		+	== Worthless gems and pricing? ==
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		+	Anyone know what's up with [[http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~damerell/games/nhid.html#gems this?]]

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		+	== Loadstone a pun by devteam? ==
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		+	Loadstones existed in early editions of D&D.