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Deadnoob: /* Damage lack? */

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Damage lack?

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	::I agree, so I made the change. Personally, I never wield Grayswandir at expert. It's much better to twoweapon with your arc than to wield at expert. [[User:Derekt75\|Derekt75]] 19:31, 17 February 2012 (UTC)		::I agree, so I made the change. Personally, I never wield Grayswandir at expert. It's much better to twoweapon with your arc than to wield at expert. [[User:Derekt75\|Derekt75]] 19:31, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

			:::Is strength bonus included? <blockquote>Grayswandir's double damage applies to its base d8 damage and its damage due to enchantment, but not to its silver damage or other bonuses. </blockquote> The article does not include this piece of information and it would be nice for players to know that they are dealing a bit more damage than they might think. [[User:Deadnoob\|deadnoob]] ([[User talk:Deadnoob\|talk]]) 14:03, 12 August 2019 (UTC)

Derekt75: /* Damage lack? */

2012-02-17T19:31:57Z

Damage lack?

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	:So is expert skill bonus, and it's included. Personally I say include neither - both vary for different characters, and both aren't really inherent to the weapon. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 15:49, 16 February 2012 (UTC)		:So is expert skill bonus, and it's included. Personally I say include neither - both vary for different characters, and both aren't really inherent to the weapon. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 15:49, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

			::I agree, so I made the change. Personally, I never wield Grayswandir at expert. It's much better to twoweapon with your arc than to wield at expert. [[User:Derekt75\|Derekt75]] 19:31, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Ion frigate: /* Damage lack? */

2012-02-16T15:49:18Z

Damage lack?

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	Strength bonus is irrelevant to damage calculations because it's the same regardless of what weapon you use. [[User:Scorchgeek\|Scorchgeek]] 03:47, 15 February 2012 (UTC)		Strength bonus is irrelevant to damage calculations because it's the same regardless of what weapon you use. [[User:Scorchgeek\|Scorchgeek]] 03:47, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

			:So is expert skill bonus, and it's included. Personally I say include neither - both vary for different characters, and both aren't really inherent to the weapon. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] 15:49, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

Scorchgeek: /* Damage lack? */

2012-02-15T03:47:25Z

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	Why isn't strength bonus included in the calculation? [[Special:Contributions/82.128.187.154\|82.128.187.154]] 17:17, 31 August 2011 (UTC)		Why isn't strength bonus included in the calculation? [[Special:Contributions/82.128.187.154\|82.128.187.154]] 17:17, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

			Strength bonus is irrelevant to damage calculations because it's the same regardless of what weapon you use. [[User:Scorchgeek\|Scorchgeek]] 03:47, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

82.128.187.154: /* Damage lack? */ new section

2011-08-31T17:17:39Z

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	:1d16 is definitely not the same as 2d8 (e.g. you can't roll a 1 with the latter). I think the intention of the "2x(1d8)" is to show that the double damage applies to grayswandir's base damage but not its silver damage. It actually applies to its enchantment damage too, so this notation is not entirely clear. I added a section on damage calculation. --[[User:Jayt\|Jayt]] 10:37, 21 September 2006 (UTC)		:1d16 is definitely not the same as 2d8 (e.g. you can't roll a 1 with the latter). I think the intention of the "2x(1d8)" is to show that the double damage applies to grayswandir's base damage but not its silver damage. It actually applies to its enchantment damage too, so this notation is not entirely clear. I added a section on damage calculation. --[[User:Jayt\|Jayt]] 10:37, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
	:No, that's not the same thing either. See [[D notation]] for details. 2x(1d8) doubles the roll of one die, whereas 2d8 adds the rolls of two separate dice. --[[Special:Contributions/220.255.1.26\|220.255.1.26]] 08:51, 29 May 2011 (UTC)		:No, that's not the same thing either. See [[D notation]] for details. 2x(1d8) doubles the roll of one die, whereas 2d8 adds the rolls of two separate dice. --[[Special:Contributions/220.255.1.26\|220.255.1.26]] 08:51, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

			== Damage lack? ==

			Why isn't strength bonus included in the calculation? [[Special:Contributions/82.128.187.154\|82.128.187.154]] 17:17, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

220.255.1.26 at 08:51, 29 May 2011

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	:2 x 1d8 == 2d8, not 1d16 --[[User:Paxed\|Paxed]] 09:50, 21 September 2006 (UTC)		:2 x 1d8 == 2d8, not 1d16 --[[User:Paxed\|Paxed]] 09:50, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
	:1d16 is definitely not the same as 2d8 (e.g. you can't roll a 1 with the latter). I think the intention of the "2x(1d8)" is to show that the double damage applies to grayswandir's base damage but not its silver damage. It actually applies to its enchantment damage too, so this notation is not entirely clear. I added a section on damage calculation. --[[User:Jayt\|Jayt]] 10:37, 21 September 2006 (UTC)		:1d16 is definitely not the same as 2d8 (e.g. you can't roll a 1 with the latter). I think the intention of the "2x(1d8)" is to show that the double damage applies to grayswandir's base damage but not its silver damage. It actually applies to its enchantment damage too, so this notation is not entirely clear. I added a section on damage calculation. --[[User:Jayt\|Jayt]] 10:37, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
			:No, that's not the same thing either. See [[D notation]] for details. 2x(1d8) doubles the roll of one die, whereas 2d8 adds the rolls of two separate dice. --[[Special:Contributions/220.255.1.26\|220.255.1.26]] 08:51, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

76.19.155.125 at 09:36, 31 December 2007

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	Okay, which is it: one of the most coveted weapons or almost totally worthless? [[User:Lotte\|Lotte]] 18:07, 14 June 2006 (UTC)		Okay, which is it: one of the most coveted weapons or almost totally worthless? [[User:Lotte\|Lotte]] 18:07, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

			:for toursists, its one of the best weapons through gehenomm(silver hating demons and such) i'm guessing mjollnir would be better in the endgame elemental planes but grayswandir never loses it's double damage vs any creature, so mjolnir can't be that much better.

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	:As a lawful, you can #[[offer]] corpses on an altar until you get it, or wish for it. --[[User:Jayt\|Jayt]] 08:55, 20 September 2006 (UTC)		:As a lawful, you can #[[offer]] corpses on an altar until you get it, or wish for it. --[[User:Jayt\|Jayt]] 08:55, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

			::wish, just in time for gehennom if you use the castle wand.
	== Damage notation ==		== Damage notation ==

PeterGFin at 15:31, 27 August 2007

2007-08-27T15:31:56Z

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			I've just encountered Grayswandir in a shop- it was $24,000zm rather than the $8,000zm mentioned. I was a Neutral Gnomish Healer CH13, and I dropped in via a hole. I then proceeded to get blasted after my dog stole it.--[[User:PeterGFin\|PeterGFin]] 15:31, 27 August 2007 (UTC)


	Okay, which is it: one of the most coveted weapons or almost totally worthless? [[User:Lotte\|Lotte]] 18:07, 14 June 2006 (UTC)		Okay, which is it: one of the most coveted weapons or almost totally worthless? [[User:Lotte\|Lotte]] 18:07, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Jayt: /* Damage notation */

2006-09-21T10:37:44Z

Damage notation

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	Currently, the damage is denoted as "2x(1d8)+(1d20)". Isn't it the same as 2d8+(1d20) or 1d16+(1d20)? --[[User:ZeroOne\|ZeroOne]] 08:40, 21 September 2006 (UTC)		Currently, the damage is denoted as "2x(1d8)+(1d20)". Isn't it the same as 2d8+(1d20) or 1d16+(1d20)? --[[User:ZeroOne\|ZeroOne]] 08:40, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
	:2 x 1d8 == 2d8, not 1d16 --[[User:Paxed\|Paxed]] 09:50, 21 September 2006 (UTC)		:2 x 1d8 == 2d8, not 1d16 --[[User:Paxed\|Paxed]] 09:50, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
			:1d16 is definitely not the same as 2d8 (e.g. you can't roll a 1 with the latter). I think the intention of the "2x(1d8)" is to show that the double damage applies to grayswandir's base damage but not its silver damage. It actually applies to its enchantment damage too, so this notation is not entirely clear. I added a section on damage calculation. --[[User:Jayt\|Jayt]] 10:37, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Paxed: /* Damage notation */

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	Currently, the damage is denoted as "2x(1d8)+(1d20)". Isn't it the same as 2d8+(1d20) or 1d16+(1d20)? --[[User:ZeroOne\|ZeroOne]] 08:40, 21 September 2006 (UTC)		Currently, the damage is denoted as "2x(1d8)+(1d20)". Isn't it the same as 2d8+(1d20) or 1d16+(1d20)? --[[User:ZeroOne\|ZeroOne]] 08:40, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
			:2 x 1d8 == 2d8, not 1d16 --[[User:Paxed\|Paxed]] 09:50, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

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	:2 x 1d8 == 2d8, not 1d16 --[[User:Paxed\|Paxed]] 09:50, 21 September 2006 (UTC)		:2 x 1d8 == 2d8, not 1d16 --[[User:Paxed\|Paxed]] 09:50, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
	:1d16 is definitely not the same as 2d8 (e.g. you can't roll a 1 with the latter). I think the intention of the "2x(1d8)" is to show that the double damage applies to grayswandir's base damage but not its silver damage. It actually applies to its enchantment damage too, so this notation is not entirely clear. I added a section on damage calculation. --[[User:Jayt\|Jayt]] 10:37, 21 September 2006 (UTC)		:1d16 is definitely not the same as 2d8 (e.g. you can't roll a 1 with the latter). I think the intention of the "2x(1d8)" is to show that the double damage applies to grayswandir's base damage but not its silver damage. It actually applies to its enchantment damage too, so this notation is not entirely clear. I added a section on damage calculation. --[[User:Jayt\|Jayt]] 10:37, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
			:No, that's not the same thing either. See [[D notation]] for details. 2x(1d8) doubles the roll of one die, whereas 2d8 adds the rolls of two separate dice. --[[Special:Contributions/220.255.1.26\|220.255.1.26]] 08:51, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

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	Currently, the damage is denoted as "2x(1d8)+(1d20)". Isn't it the same as 2d8+(1d20) or 1d16+(1d20)? --[[User:ZeroOne\|ZeroOne]] 08:40, 21 September 2006 (UTC)		Currently, the damage is denoted as "2x(1d8)+(1d20)". Isn't it the same as 2d8+(1d20) or 1d16+(1d20)? --[[User:ZeroOne\|ZeroOne]] 08:40, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
	:2 x 1d8 == 2d8, not 1d16 --[[User:Paxed\|Paxed]] 09:50, 21 September 2006 (UTC)		:2 x 1d8 == 2d8, not 1d16 --[[User:Paxed\|Paxed]] 09:50, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
			:1d16 is definitely not the same as 2d8 (e.g. you can't roll a 1 with the latter). I think the intention of the "2x(1d8)" is to show that the double damage applies to grayswandir's base damage but not its silver damage. It actually applies to its enchantment damage too, so this notation is not entirely clear. I added a section on damage calculation. --[[User:Jayt\|Jayt]] 10:37, 21 September 2006 (UTC)