Talk:Holding attack - Revision history

Thidwick at 00:06, 20 December 2020

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	* The giant eel misses!		* The giant eel misses!
	* The giant eel drowns you...		* The giant eel drowns you...
	::You got it Testbutt. Here's the Dumplog link for reference: [https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/T/Thidwick/nethack/dumplog/1608007045.nh.html]. Wand of cold would have been smart. My melee attack was ignorant and arrogant--I thought I had a few turns...haven't been drowned in years. You'll note the can of grease. Can you grease your cloak ''while grabbed'' to stop drowning?		::You got it Testbutt. Here's the Dumplog link for reference: [https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/T/Thidwick/nethack/dumplog/1608007045.nh.html]. Wand of cold would have been smart. Thank you for benefit of the doubt, but my melee attack was ignorant and arrogant--I thought I had a few turns...haven't been drowned in years. You'll note the can of grease. Can you grease your cloak ''while grabbed'' to stop drowning?
	--[[User:Thidwick\|Thidwick]] ([[User talk:Thidwick\|talk]]) 18:44, 19 December 2020 (UTC)		--[[User:Thidwick\|Thidwick]] ([[User talk:Thidwick\|talk]]) 18:44, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Thidwick at 00:00, 20 December 2020

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	* The giant eel misses!		* The giant eel misses!
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	::You got it Testbutt. Here's the Dumplog link for reference: [https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/T/Thidwick/nethack/dumplog/1608007045.nh.html]. Wand of cold would have been smart. ~~Melee~~ attack was ignorant and arrogant--I thought I had a few turns...haven't been drowned in years. You'll note the can of grease. Can you grease your cloak ''while grabbed'' to stop drowning?		::You got it Testbutt. Here's the Dumplog link for reference: [https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/T/Thidwick/nethack/dumplog/1608007045.nh.html]. Wand of cold would have been smart. My melee attack was ignorant and arrogant--I thought I had a few turns...haven't been drowned in years. You'll note the can of grease. Can you grease your cloak ''while grabbed'' to stop drowning?
	--[[User:Thidwick\|Thidwick]] ([[User talk:Thidwick\|talk]]) 18:44, 19 December 2020 (UTC)		--[[User:Thidwick\|Thidwick]] ([[User talk:Thidwick\|talk]]) 18:44, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Actual-nh: /* teleport/levelport/branchport as escape method */ Create new section (less confusing to read)

2020-12-19T19:51:15Z

teleport/levelport/branchport as escape method: Create new section (less confusing to read)

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	::Are you sure that wizard mode will be accurate, though? It allows teleportation on non-teleport levels, for instance. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] ([[User talk:Ion frigate\|talk]]) 00:53, 26 September 2012 (UTC)		::Are you sure that wizard mode will be accurate, though? It allows teleportation on non-teleport levels, for instance. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] ([[User talk:Ion frigate\|talk]]) 00:53, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
	:::{{sourcecode\|teleport.c\|267}}, {{sourcecode\|teleport.c\|965}}. Yes, I'm sure. That'd be an odd thing to special case, after all. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] ([[User talk:Qazmlpok\|talk]]) 13:38, 26 September 2012 (UTC)		:::{{sourcecode\|teleport.c\|267}}, {{sourcecode\|teleport.c\|965}}. Yes, I'm sure. That'd be an odd thing to special case, after all. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] ([[User talk:Qazmlpok\|talk]]) 13:38, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

			== NetHack 3.7 ==

	In Nethack 3.7, I can confirm that a giant eel can wrap around you in its first attack and drown you the next turn, even with AC -21. I'm not sure if that's a change or just really unlucky RNG.		In Nethack 3.7, I can confirm that a giant eel can wrap around you in its first attack and drown you the next turn, even with AC -21. I'm not sure if that's a change or just really unlucky RNG.

Thidwick: Cold smart, melee not so much

2020-12-19T19:19:49Z

Cold smart, melee not so much

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	* The giant eel misses!		* The giant eel misses!
	* The giant eel drowns you...		* The giant eel drowns you...
	::You got it Testbutt. Here's the Dumplog link for reference: [https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/T/Thidwick/nethack/dumplog/1608007045.nh.html]. ~~Also proves that a ring~~ of ~~free action doesn't stop grabs~~. Melee attack was ignorant--i thought I had a few turns...I haven't been drowned in years. You'll note the can of grease. Can you grease your cloak ''while grabbed'' to stop drowning?		::You got it Testbutt. Here's the Dumplog link for reference: [https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/T/Thidwick/nethack/dumplog/1608007045.nh.html]. Wand of cold would have been smart. Melee attack was ignorant and arrogant--I thought I had a few turns...haven't been drowned in years. You'll note the can of grease. Can you grease your cloak ''while grabbed'' to stop drowning?
	--[[User:Thidwick\|Thidwick]] ([[User talk:Thidwick\|talk]]) 18:44, 19 December 2020 (UTC)		--[[User:Thidwick\|Thidwick]] ([[User talk:Thidwick\|talk]]) 18:44, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Thidwick: Grease while grabbed?

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Grease while grabbed?

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	* The giant eel misses!		* The giant eel misses!
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			::You got it Testbutt. Here's the Dumplog link for reference: [https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/T/Thidwick/nethack/dumplog/1608007045.nh.html]. Also proves that a ring of free action doesn't stop grabs. Melee attack was ignorant--i thought I had a few turns...I haven't been drowned in years. You'll note the can of grease. Can you grease your cloak ''while grabbed'' to stop drowning?
			--[[User:Thidwick\|Thidwick]] ([[User talk:Thidwick\|talk]]) 18:44, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Testbutt: /* teleport/levelport/branchport as escape method */

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teleport/levelport/branchport as escape method

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	--[[User:Thidwick\|Thidwick]] ([[User talk:Thidwick\|talk]]) 08:55, 19 December 2020 (UTC)		--[[User:Thidwick\|Thidwick]] ([[User talk:Thidwick\|talk]]) 08:55, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
	:Heavily inclined to lean towards bad luck - high AC doesn't completely eliminate the chance for monsters to hit you, and changes to the speed system make this possible in my opinion (but esp. so if you're impaired, burdened or otherwise slowed). --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 09:03, 19 December 2020 (UTC)		:Heavily inclined to lean towards bad luck - high AC doesn't completely eliminate the chance for monsters to hit you, and changes to the speed system make this possible in my opinion (but esp. so if you're impaired, burdened or otherwise slowed). --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 09:03, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
			::Looks like there was only time for one action. The action chosen was to make a melee attack; the player had speed and was unencumbered, so that wasn't totally unreasonable. The wand of teleportation was out of charges, but the wand of cold would have saved the player. --[[User:Testbutt\|Testbutt]] ([[User talk:Testbutt\|talk]]) 17:32, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
			* The giant eel swings itself around you!
			* What do you want to use or apply? [ehj-mpsuvDK-MPUW or ?*]
			* In what direction?
			* Status of the giant eel (neutral): Level 7 HP 37(37) AC -1, holding you.
			* You hit the giant eel!
			* The giant eel misses!
			* The giant eel drowns you...

Umbire the Phantom: /* teleport/levelport/branchport as escape method */

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teleport/levelport/branchport as escape method

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	In Nethack 3.7, I can confirm that a giant eel can wrap around you in its first attack and drown you the next turn, even with AC -21. I'm not sure if that's a change or just really unlucky RNG.		In Nethack 3.7, I can confirm that a giant eel can wrap around you in its first attack and drown you the next turn, even with AC -21. I'm not sure if that's a change or just really unlucky RNG.
	--[[User:Thidwick\|Thidwick]] ([[User talk:Thidwick\|talk]]) 08:55, 19 December 2020 (UTC)		--[[User:Thidwick\|Thidwick]] ([[User talk:Thidwick\|talk]]) 08:55, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
			:Heavily inclined to lean towards bad luck - high AC doesn't completely eliminate the chance for monsters to hit you, and changes to the speed system make this possible in my opinion (but esp. so if you're impaired, burdened or otherwise slowed). --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 09:03, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Thidwick: 3.7 change?...or just unlucky RNG

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3.7 change?...or just unlucky RNG

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	::Are you sure that wizard mode will be accurate, though? It allows teleportation on non-teleport levels, for instance. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] ([[User talk:Ion frigate\|talk]]) 00:53, 26 September 2012 (UTC)		::Are you sure that wizard mode will be accurate, though? It allows teleportation on non-teleport levels, for instance. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] ([[User talk:Ion frigate\|talk]]) 00:53, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
	:::{{sourcecode\|teleport.c\|267}}, {{sourcecode\|teleport.c\|965}}. Yes, I'm sure. That'd be an odd thing to special case, after all. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] ([[User talk:Qazmlpok\|talk]]) 13:38, 26 September 2012 (UTC)		:::{{sourcecode\|teleport.c\|267}}, {{sourcecode\|teleport.c\|965}}. Yes, I'm sure. That'd be an odd thing to special case, after all. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] ([[User talk:Qazmlpok\|talk]]) 13:38, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

			In Nethack 3.7, I can confirm that a giant eel can wrap around you in its first attack and drown you the next turn, even with AC -21. I'm not sure if that's a change or just really unlucky RNG.
			--[[User:Thidwick\|Thidwick]] ([[User talk:Thidwick\|talk]]) 08:55, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Qazmlpok: /* teleport/levelport/branchport as escape method */

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	:Wizard mode is showing teleportation working fine. Even if you teleport next to the monster, you are still released. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] ([[User talk:Qazmlpok\|talk]]) 23:44, 25 September 2012 (UTC)		:Wizard mode is showing teleportation working fine. Even if you teleport next to the monster, you are still released. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] ([[User talk:Qazmlpok\|talk]]) 23:44, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
	::Are you sure that wizard mode will be accurate, though? It allows teleportation on non-teleport levels, for instance. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] ([[User talk:Ion frigate\|talk]]) 00:53, 26 September 2012 (UTC)		::Are you sure that wizard mode will be accurate, though? It allows teleportation on non-teleport levels, for instance. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] ([[User talk:Ion frigate\|talk]]) 00:53, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
			:::{{sourcecode\|teleport.c\|267}}, {{sourcecode\|teleport.c\|965}}. Yes, I'm sure. That'd be an odd thing to special case, after all. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] ([[User talk:Qazmlpok\|talk]]) 13:38, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Ion frigate: /* teleport/levelport/branchport as escape method */

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	I don't see the article doesn't list self teleport/levelport/branchport as an escape method, but they all work, right? If they don't work, that would be worth mentioning, as well. Also, if you or the monster is teleported, but after the 'port, it just so happens that the monster is still adjacent to you, is the monster still grabbing you? or does the 'port always cause a release?[[User:Derekt75\|Derekt75]] ([[User talk:Derekt75\|talk]]) 18:40, 25 September 2012 (UTC)		I don't see the article doesn't list self teleport/levelport/branchport as an escape method, but they all work, right? If they don't work, that would be worth mentioning, as well. Also, if you or the monster is teleported, but after the 'port, it just so happens that the monster is still adjacent to you, is the monster still grabbing you? or does the 'port always cause a release?[[User:Derekt75\|Derekt75]] ([[User talk:Derekt75\|talk]]) 18:40, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
	:Wizard mode is showing teleportation working fine. Even if you teleport next to the monster, you are still released. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] ([[User talk:Qazmlpok\|talk]]) 23:44, 25 September 2012 (UTC)		:Wizard mode is showing teleportation working fine. Even if you teleport next to the monster, you are still released. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] ([[User talk:Qazmlpok\|talk]]) 23:44, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
			::Are you sure that wizard mode will be accurate, though? It allows teleportation on non-teleport levels, for instance. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] ([[User talk:Ion frigate\|talk]]) 00:53, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

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	:Wizard mode is showing teleportation working fine. Even if you teleport next to the monster, you are still released. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] ([[User talk:Qazmlpok\|talk]]) 23:44, 25 September 2012 (UTC)		:Wizard mode is showing teleportation working fine. Even if you teleport next to the monster, you are still released. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] ([[User talk:Qazmlpok\|talk]]) 23:44, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
	::Are you sure that wizard mode will be accurate, though? It allows teleportation on non-teleport levels, for instance. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] ([[User talk:Ion frigate\|talk]]) 00:53, 26 September 2012 (UTC)		::Are you sure that wizard mode will be accurate, though? It allows teleportation on non-teleport levels, for instance. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] ([[User talk:Ion frigate\|talk]]) 00:53, 26 September 2012 (UTC)
			:::{{sourcecode\|teleport.c\|267}}, {{sourcecode\|teleport.c\|965}}. Yes, I'm sure. That'd be an odd thing to special case, after all. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] ([[User talk:Qazmlpok\|talk]]) 13:38, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

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	I don't see the article doesn't list self teleport/levelport/branchport as an escape method, but they all work, right? If they don't work, that would be worth mentioning, as well. Also, if you or the monster is teleported, but after the 'port, it just so happens that the monster is still adjacent to you, is the monster still grabbing you? or does the 'port always cause a release?[[User:Derekt75\|Derekt75]] ([[User talk:Derekt75\|talk]]) 18:40, 25 September 2012 (UTC)		I don't see the article doesn't list self teleport/levelport/branchport as an escape method, but they all work, right? If they don't work, that would be worth mentioning, as well. Also, if you or the monster is teleported, but after the 'port, it just so happens that the monster is still adjacent to you, is the monster still grabbing you? or does the 'port always cause a release?[[User:Derekt75\|Derekt75]] ([[User talk:Derekt75\|talk]]) 18:40, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
	:Wizard mode is showing teleportation working fine. Even if you teleport next to the monster, you are still released. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] ([[User talk:Qazmlpok\|talk]]) 23:44, 25 September 2012 (UTC)		:Wizard mode is showing teleportation working fine. Even if you teleport next to the monster, you are still released. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] ([[User talk:Qazmlpok\|talk]]) 23:44, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
			::Are you sure that wizard mode will be accurate, though? It allows teleportation on non-teleport levels, for instance. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] ([[User talk:Ion frigate\|talk]]) 00:53, 26 September 2012 (UTC)