Talk:Horn of plenty - Revision history

Blackcustard: Nice source diving!

2012-10-08T00:42:43Z

Nice source diving!

Bcode: Linkify

2012-10-07T18:06:10Z

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Skidragon2: /* Probabilities */ new section

2012-10-07T17:47:33Z

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== Probabilities ==

The selection of which item a horn of plenty gives you is done in the function doapply in apply.c via a call to mkobj in mkobj.c after picking potion (1/7 chance) or food (6/7 chance). mkobj picks from the entire class based on the priorities in objects.c; doapply then modifies that selection. For potions, if a magical potion is initially selected, it is changed via a call to rnd_class in objnam.c. Additionally rnd_class called repeatedly until something other than sickness is selected. The original potion probabilities on the page assumed rnd_class uses equal weight in making its selection. However, it uses the probability weights as mkobj. For example water has a 92 (out of 1000) probability, the magical potions have a combined probability of 742, and the non-magical potions excluding sickness have a combined probability of 216. If you assume rnd_class selects equally you get 9.2 + 74.2 / 5 = 24. If probabilities are applied as they are in rnd_class you get 9.2 + 74.2 * 92 / 216 = 40.8. When I changed numbers on the page I added links to the source code mentioned above. Also, I thought it would be useful to have overall probabilities, which is simply a matter of multiplying the class numbers by 1/7 for potions and 6/7 for food. --[[User:Skidragon2|Skidragon2]] ([[User talk:Skidragon2|talk]]) 17:47, 7 October 2012 (UTC)

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	The selection of which item a horn of plenty gives you is done in the function {{function\|apply.c\|doapply}} via a call to {{function\|mkobj.c\|mkobj}} after picking potion (1/7 chance) or food (6/7 chance). {{function\|mkobj.c\|mkobj\|x}} picks from the entire class based on the priorities in objects.c; {{function\|apply.c\|doapply\|x}} then modifies that selection. For potions, if a magical potion is initially selected, it is changed via a call to {{function\|objnam.c\|rnd_class}}. Additionally {{function\|objnam.c\|rnd_class\|x}} called repeatedly until something other than sickness is selected. The original potion probabilities on the page assumed {{function\|objnam.c\|rnd_class\|x}} uses equal weight in making its selection. However, it uses the probability weights as mkobj. For example water has a 92 (out of 1000) probability, the magical potions have a combined probability of 742, and the non-magical potions excluding sickness have a combined probability of 216. If you assume {{function\|objnam.c\|rnd_class\|x}} selects equally you get 9.2 + 74.2 / 5 = 24. If probabilities are applied as they are in {{function\|objnam.c\|rnd_class\|x}} you get 9.2 + 74.2 * 92 / 216 = 40.8. When I changed numbers on the page I added links to the source code mentioned above. Also, I thought it would be useful to have overall probabilities, which is simply a matter of multiplying the class numbers by 1/7 for potions and 6/7 for food. --[[User:Skidragon2\|Skidragon2]] ([[User talk:Skidragon2\|talk]]) 17:47, 7 October 2012 (UTC)		The selection of which item a horn of plenty gives you is done in the function {{function\|apply.c\|doapply}} via a call to {{function\|mkobj.c\|mkobj}} after picking potion (1/7 chance) or food (6/7 chance). {{function\|mkobj.c\|mkobj\|x}} picks from the entire class based on the priorities in objects.c; {{function\|apply.c\|doapply\|x}} then modifies that selection. For potions, if a magical potion is initially selected, it is changed via a call to {{function\|objnam.c\|rnd_class}}. Additionally {{function\|objnam.c\|rnd_class\|x}} called repeatedly until something other than sickness is selected. The original potion probabilities on the page assumed {{function\|objnam.c\|rnd_class\|x}} uses equal weight in making its selection. However, it uses the probability weights as mkobj. For example water has a 92 (out of 1000) probability, the magical potions have a combined probability of 742, and the non-magical potions excluding sickness have a combined probability of 216. If you assume {{function\|objnam.c\|rnd_class\|x}} selects equally you get 9.2 + 74.2 / 5 = 24. If probabilities are applied as they are in {{function\|objnam.c\|rnd_class\|x}} you get 9.2 + 74.2 * 92 / 216 = 40.8. When I changed numbers on the page I added links to the source code mentioned above. Also, I thought it would be useful to have overall probabilities, which is simply a matter of multiplying the class numbers by 1/7 for potions and 6/7 for food. --[[User:Skidragon2\|Skidragon2]] ([[User talk:Skidragon2\|talk]]) 17:47, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
	:Thank you for that explanation! I made the function names in your above text link to their definitions in the source code; I hope that's OK. --[[User:Bcode\|Bcode]] ([[User talk:Bcode\|talk]]) 18:06, 7 October 2012 (UTC)		:Thank you for that explanation! I made the function names in your above text link to their definitions in the source code; I hope that's OK. --[[User:Bcode\|Bcode]] ([[User talk:Bcode\|talk]]) 18:06, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
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		+	:Hey that if...do...while bit in doapply is a nifty little construction, thanks for digging it up and puzzling it out. Nice source diving :). Am I reading this right, that the only way for a potion of sickness to appear is for it to be selected on the first roll? And that's what accounts for the low probability of sickness? (4.2% of potions, even though its probability for usual random generation is 42/1000; while oil's probability for usual random generation is only 30/1000, but it accounts for 13.3% of potions from the horn) Kind of a weird way to implement it, but that's the devteam for ya. [[User:Blackcustard\|Blackcustard]] ([[User talk:Blackcustard\|talk]]) 00:42, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

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	== Probabilities ==		== Probabilities ==

−	The selection of which item a horn of plenty gives you is done in the function ~~doapply in~~ apply.c via a call to ~~mkobj in~~ mkobj.c after picking potion (1/7 chance) or food (6/7 chance). mkobj picks from the entire class based on the priorities in objects.c; doapply then modifies that selection. For potions, if a magical potion is initially selected, it is changed via a call to ~~rnd_class in~~ objnam.c. Additionally rnd_class called repeatedly until something other than sickness is selected. The original potion probabilities on the page assumed rnd_class uses equal weight in making its selection. However, it uses the probability weights as mkobj. For example water has a 92 (out of 1000) probability, the magical potions have a combined probability of 742, and the non-magical potions excluding sickness have a combined probability of 216. If you assume rnd_class selects equally you get 9.2 + 74.2 / 5 = 24. If probabilities are applied as they are in rnd_class you get 9.2 + 74.2 * 92 / 216 = 40.8. When I changed numbers on the page I added links to the source code mentioned above. Also, I thought it would be useful to have overall probabilities, which is simply a matter of multiplying the class numbers by 1/7 for potions and 6/7 for food. --[[User:Skidragon2\|Skidragon2]] ([[User talk:Skidragon2\|talk]]) 17:47, 7 October 2012 (UTC)	+	The selection of which item a horn of plenty gives you is done in the function {{function\|apply.c\|doapply}} via a call to {{function\|mkobj.c\|mkobj}} after picking potion (1/7 chance) or food (6/7 chance). {{function\|mkobj.c\|mkobj\|x}} picks from the entire class based on the priorities in objects.c; {{function\|apply.c\|doapply\|x}} then modifies that selection. For potions, if a magical potion is initially selected, it is changed via a call to {{function\|objnam.c\|rnd_class}}. Additionally {{function\|objnam.c\|rnd_class\|x}} called repeatedly until something other than sickness is selected. The original potion probabilities on the page assumed {{function\|objnam.c\|rnd_class\|x}} uses equal weight in making its selection. However, it uses the probability weights as mkobj. For example water has a 92 (out of 1000) probability, the magical potions have a combined probability of 742, and the non-magical potions excluding sickness have a combined probability of 216. If you assume {{function\|objnam.c\|rnd_class\|x}} selects equally you get 9.2 + 74.2 / 5 = 24. If probabilities are applied as they are in {{function\|objnam.c\|rnd_class\|x}} you get 9.2 + 74.2 * 92 / 216 = 40.8. When I changed numbers on the page I added links to the source code mentioned above. Also, I thought it would be useful to have overall probabilities, which is simply a matter of multiplying the class numbers by 1/7 for potions and 6/7 for food. --[[User:Skidragon2\|Skidragon2]] ([[User talk:Skidragon2\|talk]]) 17:47, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
		+	:Thank you for that explanation! I made the function names in your above text link to their definitions in the source code; I hope that's OK. --[[User:Bcode\|Bcode]] ([[User talk:Bcode\|talk]]) 18:06, 7 October 2012 (UTC)