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		<title>Umbire the Phantom: Umbire the Phantom moved page Talk:Ice mage to Talk:Ice Mage over redirect</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Umbire the Phantom moved page &lt;a href=&quot;/index.php?title=Talk:Ice_mage&amp;amp;action=edit&amp;amp;redlink=1&quot; class=&quot;new&quot; title=&quot;Talk:Ice mage (page does not exist)&quot;&gt;Talk:Ice mage&lt;/a&gt; to &lt;a href=&quot;/wiki/Talk:Ice_Mage&quot; title=&quot;Talk:Ice Mage&quot;&gt;Talk:Ice Mage&lt;/a&gt; over redirect&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;td colspan=&quot;1&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #222; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;Revision as of 14:07, 9 December 2023&lt;/td&gt;
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		<title>Tjr: moved Talk:Ice Mage to Talk:Ice mage:&amp;#32;Role names are not proper nouns.</title>
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		<updated>2010-02-24T04:36:35Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;moved &lt;a href=&quot;/wiki/Talk:Ice_Mage&quot; title=&quot;Talk:Ice Mage&quot;&gt;Talk:Ice Mage&lt;/a&gt; to &lt;a href=&quot;/index.php?title=Talk:Ice_mage&amp;amp;action=edit&amp;amp;redlink=1&quot; class=&quot;new&quot; title=&quot;Talk:Ice mage (page does not exist)&quot;&gt;Talk:Ice mage&lt;/a&gt;: Role names are not proper nouns.&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;td colspan=&quot;1&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #222; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;Revision as of 04:36, 24 February 2010&lt;/td&gt;
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		<title>PuercoPop at 13:17, 17 September 2009</title>
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		<updated>2009-09-17T13:17:06Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l4&quot; &gt;Line 4:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;---I'm inclined to agree for many of the reasons I outline in the Flame Mage vs. Ice Mage section, though I would point out that in the unlikely event that you haven't branched out into ice magic by the endgame, the ice mage would have the advantage of magic that works on demons.  I suppose cone of cold is also a slightly more powerful spell than fireball.  But in the opening, there is a serious imbalance between the two. [[Special:Contributions/64.185.146.160|64.185.146.160]] 06:58, 5 March 2009 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;---I'm inclined to agree for many of the reasons I outline in the Flame Mage vs. Ice Mage section, though I would point out that in the unlikely event that you haven't branched out into ice magic by the endgame, the ice mage would have the advantage of magic that works on demons.  I suppose cone of cold is also a slightly more powerful spell than fireball.  But in the opening, there is a serious imbalance between the two. [[Special:Contributions/64.185.146.160|64.185.146.160]] 06:58, 5 March 2009 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;== Long Sword Skill ==&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;There is a contradiction, the skill table says the longsword skill goes to skilled and the first bulleted paragraph recomends getting excalibur if lawful because longsword goes to expert? [[User:PuercoPop|PuercoPop]] 13:17, September 17, 2009 (UTC)&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<title>64.185.146.160: /* Flame vs. Ice */</title>
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		<updated>2009-03-05T06:58:32Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;‎&lt;span dir=&quot;auto&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;autocomment&quot;&gt;Flame vs. Ice&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: #fff; color: #222; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;Revision as of 06:58, 5 March 2009&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l3&quot; &gt;Line 3:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;It seems to me that Ice Mage is vastly inferior to Red Mage, even if the two seem compeletely identical. He gets Power Surge much later, and can't specialize in nearly as many weapons. Correct me if I'm wrong.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;It seems to me that Ice Mage is vastly inferior to Red Mage, even if the two seem compeletely identical. He gets Power Surge much later, and can't specialize in nearly as many weapons. Correct me if I'm wrong.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;−&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;---I'm inclined to agree for many of the reasons I outline in the Flame Mage vs. Ice Mage section, though I would point out that in the unlikely event that you haven't branched out into ice magic by the endgame, the ice mage would have the advantage of magic that works on demons.  I suppose cone of cold is also a slightly more powerful spell than fireball.  But in the opening, there is a serious imbalance between the two.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;---I'm inclined to agree for many of the reasons I outline in the Flame Mage vs. Ice Mage section, though I would point out that in the unlikely event that you haven't branched out into ice magic by the endgame, the ice mage would have the advantage of magic that works on demons.  I suppose cone of cold is also a slightly more powerful spell than fireball.  But in the opening, there is a serious imbalance between the two. &lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;[[Special:Contributions/64.185.146.160|64.185.146.160]] 06:58, 5 March 2009 (UTC)&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<title>64.185.146.160: /* Flame vs. Ice */</title>
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		<updated>2009-03-05T06:54:40Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;‎&lt;span dir=&quot;auto&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;autocomment&quot;&gt;Flame vs. Ice&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;It seems to me that Ice Mage is vastly inferior to Red Mage, even if the two seem compeletely identical. He gets Power Surge much later, and can't specialize in nearly as many weapons. Correct me if I'm wrong.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;It seems to me that Ice Mage is vastly inferior to Red Mage, even if the two seem compeletely identical. He gets Power Surge much later, and can't specialize in nearly as many weapons. Correct me if I'm wrong.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt; &lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;---I'm inclined to agree for many of the reasons I outline in the Flame Mage vs. Ice Mage section, though I would point out that in the unlikely event that you haven't branched out into ice magic by the endgame, the ice mage would have the advantage of magic that works on demons.  I suppose cone of cold is also a slightly more powerful spell than fireball.  But in the opening, there is a serious imbalance between the two.&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<title>84.250.246.11: New page: == Flame vs. Ice ==  It seems to me that Ice Mage is vastly inferior to Red Mage, even if the two seem compeletely identical. He gets Power Surge much later, and can't specialize in nearly...</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;New page: == Flame vs. Ice ==  It seems to me that Ice Mage is vastly inferior to Red Mage, even if the two seem compeletely identical. He gets Power Surge much later, and can&amp;#039;t specialize in nearly...&lt;/p&gt;
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It seems to me that Ice Mage is vastly inferior to Red Mage, even if the two seem compeletely identical. He gets Power Surge much later, and can't specialize in nearly as many weapons. Correct me if I'm wrong.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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