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Djao: invocation order

2009-12-21T12:58:16Z

invocation order

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	==ordering of bell, book, candles==		==ordering of bell, book, candles==
	The article says that "it is slightly safer to ring the Bell second." I don't agree with this strategy. At the very least, there are valid reasons for lighting the Candelabrum of Invocation second, and we should mention these reasons. Most notably, the Candelabrum gives off light, and light is a valuable resource, especially light of such a large radius. By lighting the Candelabrum second, you conserve (at least) one turn of light. [[User:Djao\|djao]] 18:51, December 14, 2009 (UTC)		The article says that "it is slightly safer to ring the Bell second." I don't agree with this strategy. At the very least, there are valid reasons for lighting the Candelabrum of Invocation second, and we should mention these reasons. Most notably, the Candelabrum gives off light, and light is a valuable resource, especially light of such a large radius. By lighting the Candelabrum second, you conserve (at least) one turn of light. [[User:Djao\|djao]] 18:51, December 14, 2009 (UTC)
	: Added ~~discussin~~ of invocation order. [[User:Djao\|djao]] 12:58, December 21, 2009 (UTC)		: Added discussion of invocation order. [[User:Djao\|djao]] 12:58, December 21, 2009 (UTC)

Djao: invocation order

2009-12-21T12:58:11Z

invocation order

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	==ordering of bell, book, candles==		==ordering of bell, book, candles==
	The article says that "it is slightly safer to ring the Bell second." I don't agree with this strategy. At the very least, there are valid reasons for lighting the Candelabrum of Invocation second, and we should mention these reasons. Most notably, the Candelabrum gives off light, and light is a valuable resource, especially light of such a large radius. By lighting the Candelabrum second, you conserve (at least) one turn of light. [[User:Djao\|djao]] 18:51, December 14, 2009 (UTC)		The article says that "it is slightly safer to ring the Bell second." I don't agree with this strategy. At the very least, there are valid reasons for lighting the Candelabrum of Invocation second, and we should mention these reasons. Most notably, the Candelabrum gives off light, and light is a valuable resource, especially light of such a large radius. By lighting the Candelabrum second, you conserve (at least) one turn of light. [[User:Djao\|djao]] 18:51, December 14, 2009 (UTC)
			: Added discussin of invocation order. [[User:Djao\|djao]] 12:58, December 21, 2009 (UTC)

Tjr at 17:16, 15 December 2009

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	:It may be referring to pacifist conduct, where you don't kill the nemesis yourself; also, remember that you don't have to kill someone to relieve him of his possessions (for example, as a nymph). --[[User:Mogri\|Mogri]] 05:48, 11 January 2007 (UTC)		:It may be referring to pacifist conduct, where you don't kill the nemesis yourself; also, remember that you don't have to kill someone to relieve him of his possessions (for example, as a nymph). --[[User:Mogri\|Mogri]] 05:48, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
	:I have never done it, but it appears that there are ways of getting the Bell without killing your quest nemesis. But it is not clear that even killing your nemesis equals "completing the quest"--to complete the quest, you have to bring the quest artifact to your quest leader. And, as far as I can tell, you don't have to do this to win the game.--[[User:Ckbryant\|Ckbryant]] 20:43, 28 January 2008 (UTC)		:I have never done it, but it appears that there are ways of getting the Bell without killing your quest nemesis. But it is not clear that even killing your nemesis equals "completing the quest"--to complete the quest, you have to bring the quest artifact to your quest leader. And, as far as I can tell, you don't have to do this to win the game.--[[User:Ckbryant\|Ckbryant]] 20:43, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
			:: It is quite feasible to steal the Book from the Wizard of Yendor without killing him (nymph polyself; level drain + pet nymph + conflict; gain level for pet nymph + conflict; levelport up, hoping to land on or right next to the obnoxious guy's spot + autopickup + wielded paralysis; etc.). This is useful if you want to farm wraith without interference. By extension, it should be possible to leave the quest nemesis alive. [[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 17:16, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

			==ordering of bell, book, candles==
	The article says that "it is slightly safer to ring the Bell second." I don't agree with this strategy. At the very least, there are valid reasons for lighting the Candelabrum of Invocation second, and we should mention these reasons. Most notably, the Candelabrum gives off light, and light is a valuable resource, especially light of such a large radius. By lighting the Candelabrum second, you conserve (at least) one turn of light. [[User:Djao\|djao]] 18:51, December 14, 2009 (UTC)		The article says that "it is slightly safer to ring the Bell second." I don't agree with this strategy. At the very least, there are valid reasons for lighting the Candelabrum of Invocation second, and we should mention these reasons. Most notably, the Candelabrum gives off light, and light is a valuable resource, especially light of such a large radius. By lighting the Candelabrum second, you conserve (at least) one turn of light. [[User:Djao\|djao]] 18:51, December 14, 2009 (UTC)

Djao: invocation order

2009-12-14T18:51:18Z

invocation order

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	:It may be referring to pacifist conduct, where you don't kill the nemesis yourself; also, remember that you don't have to kill someone to relieve him of his possessions (for example, as a nymph). --[[User:Mogri\|Mogri]] 05:48, 11 January 2007 (UTC)		:It may be referring to pacifist conduct, where you don't kill the nemesis yourself; also, remember that you don't have to kill someone to relieve him of his possessions (for example, as a nymph). --[[User:Mogri\|Mogri]] 05:48, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
	:I have never done it, but it appears that there are ways of getting the Bell without killing your quest nemesis. But it is not clear that even killing your nemesis equals "completing the quest"--to complete the quest, you have to bring the quest artifact to your quest leader. And, as far as I can tell, you don't have to do this to win the game.--[[User:Ckbryant\|Ckbryant]] 20:43, 28 January 2008 (UTC)		:I have never done it, but it appears that there are ways of getting the Bell without killing your quest nemesis. But it is not clear that even killing your nemesis equals "completing the quest"--to complete the quest, you have to bring the quest artifact to your quest leader. And, as far as I can tell, you don't have to do this to win the game.--[[User:Ckbryant\|Ckbryant]] 20:43, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

			The article says that "it is slightly safer to ring the Bell second." I don't agree with this strategy. At the very least, there are valid reasons for lighting the Candelabrum of Invocation second, and we should mention these reasons. Most notably, the Candelabrum gives off light, and light is a valuable resource, especially light of such a large radius. By lighting the Candelabrum second, you conserve (at least) one turn of light. [[User:Djao\|djao]] 18:51, December 14, 2009 (UTC)

Ckbryant at 20:43, 28 January 2008

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	Or maybe I'm just completely wrong and there's some way to get the Bell from your nemesis without killing it. If that's the case, then both statements would be true. --[[User:MadDawg2552\|MadDawg2552]] 05:05, 11 January 2007 (UTC)		Or maybe I'm just completely wrong and there's some way to get the Bell from your nemesis without killing it. If that's the case, then both statements would be true. --[[User:MadDawg2552\|MadDawg2552]] 05:05, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
	:It may be referring to pacifist conduct, where you don't kill the nemesis yourself; also, remember that you don't have to kill someone to relieve him of his possessions (for example, as a nymph). --[[User:Mogri\|Mogri]] 05:48, 11 January 2007 (UTC)		:It may be referring to pacifist conduct, where you don't kill the nemesis yourself; also, remember that you don't have to kill someone to relieve him of his possessions (for example, as a nymph). --[[User:Mogri\|Mogri]] 05:48, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
			:I have never done it, but it appears that there are ways of getting the Bell without killing your quest nemesis. But it is not clear that even killing your nemesis equals "completing the quest"--to complete the quest, you have to bring the quest artifact to your quest leader. And, as far as I can tell, you don't have to do this to win the game.--[[User:Ckbryant\|Ckbryant]] 20:43, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Mogri: stealing!

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stealing!

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	Or maybe I'm just completely wrong and there's some way to get the Bell from your nemesis without killing it. If that's the case, then both statements would be true. --[[User:MadDawg2552\|MadDawg2552]] 05:05, 11 January 2007 (UTC)		Or maybe I'm just completely wrong and there's some way to get the Bell from your nemesis without killing it. If that's the case, then both statements would be true. --[[User:MadDawg2552\|MadDawg2552]] 05:05, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
			:It may be referring to pacifist conduct, where you don't kill the nemesis yourself; also, remember that you don't have to kill someone to relieve him of his possessions (for example, as a nymph). --[[User:Mogri\|Mogri]] 05:48, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

MadDawg2552 at 05:06, 11 January 2007

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	If I remember correctly, you get the Bell of Opening off the corpse of your quest nemesis. If the first statement is true, there is another way to do the invocation ritual without the Bell or another way to enter [[Moloch's Sanctum]] without doing the invocation ritual. Does anyone have any ideas?		If I remember correctly, you get the Bell of Opening off the corpse of your quest nemesis. If the first statement is true, there is another way to do the invocation ritual without the Bell or another way to enter [[Moloch's Sanctum]] without doing the invocation ritual. Does anyone have any ideas?

	Or maybe I'm just completely wrong and there's some way to get the Bell from ~~you~~ nemesis without killing it. If that's the case, then both statements would be true. --[[User:MadDawg2552\|MadDawg2552]] 05:05, 11 January 2007 (UTC)		Or maybe I'm just completely wrong and there's some way to get the Bell from your nemesis without killing it. If that's the case, then both statements would be true. --[[User:MadDawg2552\|MadDawg2552]] 05:05, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

MadDawg2552 at 05:05, 11 January 2007

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	You think this could be merged with [[Vibrating Square]]? Neither of them has too much text, I mean.		You think this could be merged with [[Vibrating Square]]? Neither of them has too much text, I mean.
	- Potman (Guest), 17.12.2006, 14:00		- Potman (Guest), 17.12.2006, 14:00


			Is it possible to ascend without the Bell of Opening? According to the [[quest]] page, it is: "''A '''quest nemesis''' is the one who you must defeat to reclaim your [[quest artifact]] and the [[Bell of Opening]]. It's possible to [[ascend]] without killing your quest nemesis, but this is exceedingly rare.''"

			According to the [[unwinnable]] page, it is not: "''The quest must be completed to get the [[Bell of Opening]], but cannot be entered if the player is not of his or her original alignment.''"

			If I remember correctly, you get the Bell of Opening off the corpse of your quest nemesis. If the first statement is true, there is another way to do the invocation ritual without the Bell or another way to enter [[Moloch's Sanctum]] without doing the invocation ritual. Does anyone have any ideas?

			Or maybe I'm just completely wrong and there's some way to get the Bell from you nemesis without killing it. If that's the case, then both statements would be true. --[[User:MadDawg2552\|MadDawg2552]] 05:05, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

84.250.246.11 at 12:00, 17 December 2006

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	You think this could be merged with [[Vibrating Square]]? Neither of them has too much text, I mean.		You think this could be merged with [[Vibrating Square]]? Neither of them has too much text, I mean.
			- Potman (Guest), 17.12.2006, 14:00

84.250.246.11 at 12:00, 17 December 2006

2006-12-17T12:00:08Z

New page

You think this could be merged with [[Vibrating Square]]? Neither of them has too much text, I mean.

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	:It may be referring to pacifist conduct, where you don't kill the nemesis yourself; also, remember that you don't have to kill someone to relieve him of his possessions (for example, as a nymph). --[[User:Mogri\|Mogri]] 05:48, 11 January 2007 (UTC)		:It may be referring to pacifist conduct, where you don't kill the nemesis yourself; also, remember that you don't have to kill someone to relieve him of his possessions (for example, as a nymph). --[[User:Mogri\|Mogri]] 05:48, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
	:I have never done it, but it appears that there are ways of getting the Bell without killing your quest nemesis. But it is not clear that even killing your nemesis equals "completing the quest"--to complete the quest, you have to bring the quest artifact to your quest leader. And, as far as I can tell, you don't have to do this to win the game.--[[User:Ckbryant\|Ckbryant]] 20:43, 28 January 2008 (UTC)		:I have never done it, but it appears that there are ways of getting the Bell without killing your quest nemesis. But it is not clear that even killing your nemesis equals "completing the quest"--to complete the quest, you have to bring the quest artifact to your quest leader. And, as far as I can tell, you don't have to do this to win the game.--[[User:Ckbryant\|Ckbryant]] 20:43, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
			:: It is quite feasible to steal the Book from the Wizard of Yendor without killing him (nymph polyself; level drain + pet nymph + conflict; gain level for pet nymph + conflict; levelport up, hoping to land on or right next to the obnoxious guy's spot + autopickup + wielded paralysis; etc.). This is useful if you want to farm wraith without interference. By extension, it should be possible to leave the quest nemesis alive. [[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] 17:16, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

			==ordering of bell, book, candles==
	The article says that "it is slightly safer to ring the Bell second." I don't agree with this strategy. At the very least, there are valid reasons for lighting the Candelabrum of Invocation second, and we should mention these reasons. Most notably, the Candelabrum gives off light, and light is a valuable resource, especially light of such a large radius. By lighting the Candelabrum second, you conserve (at least) one turn of light. [[User:Djao\|djao]] 18:51, December 14, 2009 (UTC)		The article says that "it is slightly safer to ring the Bell second." I don't agree with this strategy. At the very least, there are valid reasons for lighting the Candelabrum of Invocation second, and we should mention these reasons. Most notably, the Candelabrum gives off light, and light is a valuable resource, especially light of such a large radius. By lighting the Candelabrum second, you conserve (at least) one turn of light. [[User:Djao\|djao]] 18:51, December 14, 2009 (UTC)

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	:It may be referring to pacifist conduct, where you don't kill the nemesis yourself; also, remember that you don't have to kill someone to relieve him of his possessions (for example, as a nymph). --[[User:Mogri\|Mogri]] 05:48, 11 January 2007 (UTC)		:It may be referring to pacifist conduct, where you don't kill the nemesis yourself; also, remember that you don't have to kill someone to relieve him of his possessions (for example, as a nymph). --[[User:Mogri\|Mogri]] 05:48, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
	:I have never done it, but it appears that there are ways of getting the Bell without killing your quest nemesis. But it is not clear that even killing your nemesis equals "completing the quest"--to complete the quest, you have to bring the quest artifact to your quest leader. And, as far as I can tell, you don't have to do this to win the game.--[[User:Ckbryant\|Ckbryant]] 20:43, 28 January 2008 (UTC)		:I have never done it, but it appears that there are ways of getting the Bell without killing your quest nemesis. But it is not clear that even killing your nemesis equals "completing the quest"--to complete the quest, you have to bring the quest artifact to your quest leader. And, as far as I can tell, you don't have to do this to win the game.--[[User:Ckbryant\|Ckbryant]] 20:43, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

			The article says that "it is slightly safer to ring the Bell second." I don't agree with this strategy. At the very least, there are valid reasons for lighting the Candelabrum of Invocation second, and we should mention these reasons. Most notably, the Candelabrum gives off light, and light is a valuable resource, especially light of such a large radius. By lighting the Candelabrum second, you conserve (at least) one turn of light. [[User:Djao\|djao]] 18:51, December 14, 2009 (UTC)

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	Or maybe I'm just completely wrong and there's some way to get the Bell from your nemesis without killing it. If that's the case, then both statements would be true. --[[User:MadDawg2552\|MadDawg2552]] 05:05, 11 January 2007 (UTC)		Or maybe I'm just completely wrong and there's some way to get the Bell from your nemesis without killing it. If that's the case, then both statements would be true. --[[User:MadDawg2552\|MadDawg2552]] 05:05, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
	:It may be referring to pacifist conduct, where you don't kill the nemesis yourself; also, remember that you don't have to kill someone to relieve him of his possessions (for example, as a nymph). --[[User:Mogri\|Mogri]] 05:48, 11 January 2007 (UTC)		:It may be referring to pacifist conduct, where you don't kill the nemesis yourself; also, remember that you don't have to kill someone to relieve him of his possessions (for example, as a nymph). --[[User:Mogri\|Mogri]] 05:48, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
			:I have never done it, but it appears that there are ways of getting the Bell without killing your quest nemesis. But it is not clear that even killing your nemesis equals "completing the quest"--to complete the quest, you have to bring the quest artifact to your quest leader. And, as far as I can tell, you don't have to do this to win the game.--[[User:Ckbryant\|Ckbryant]] 20:43, 28 January 2008 (UTC)