Talk:Juiblex - Revision history

Umbire the Phantom: ...

2022-09-02T18:08:37Z

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Kscheirer: /* Why often mistakenly referred to as Jubilex? */ new section

2022-09-02T15:24:08Z

‎Why often mistakenly referred to as Jubilex?: new section

Testbutt: /* cleverly-hidden link */

2021-03-01T03:20:02Z

‎cleverly-hidden link

Testbutt: /* cleverly-hidden link */

2021-03-01T03:17:58Z

‎cleverly-hidden link

Testbutt: /* cleverly-hidden link */ new section

2021-03-01T03:17:40Z

‎cleverly-hidden link: new section

Thidwick: /* Prevent engulfing */ never mind

2021-01-06T06:36:21Z

‎Prevent engulfing: never mind

Thidwick: /* Prevent engulfing */ new section

2020-12-28T06:35:39Z

‎Prevent engulfing: new section

Qazmlpok: /* Life Saving */

2012-06-01T19:26:25Z

‎Life Saving

Tjr: how to 120-kill Juiblex

2012-06-01T18:02:55Z

how to 120-kill Juiblex

Ion frigate: /* Life Saving */

2012-06-01T12:12:04Z

‎Life Saving

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	Just curious.		Just curious.
	--[[User:Kscheirer\|Kscheirer]] ([[User talk:Kscheirer\|talk]]) 15:24, 2 September 2022 (UTC)		--[[User:Kscheirer\|Kscheirer]] ([[User talk:Kscheirer\|talk]]) 15:24, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
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		+	:Sometimes people misread things. --[[User:Umbire the Phantom\|Umbire the Phantom]] ([[User talk:Umbire the Phantom\|talk]]) 18:08, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

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	the link to juiblex's lair is kinda hidden on juiblex's page. i was looking all over for a link to the named lair, i didn't realize the little "swamp" link specifically meant juib's swamp. i'd change it but i don't have a strong feeling about how it should look, i just think it should be easier to find. [[User:Testbutt\|Testbutt]] ([[User talk:Testbutt\|talk]]) 03:17, 1 March 2021 (UTC) edit: hotfixed it.		the link to juiblex's lair is kinda hidden on juiblex's page. i was looking all over for a link to the named lair, i didn't realize the little "swamp" link specifically meant juib's swamp. i'd change it but i don't have a strong feeling about how it should look, i just think it should be easier to find. [[User:Testbutt\|Testbutt]] ([[User talk:Testbutt\|talk]]) 03:17, 1 March 2021 (UTC) edit: hotfixed it.
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		+	== Why often mistakenly referred to as Jubilex? ==
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		+	Just curious.
		+	--[[User:Kscheirer\|Kscheirer]] ([[User talk:Kscheirer\|talk]]) 15:24, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

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−	the link to juiblex's lair is kinda hidden on juiblex's page. i was looking all over for a link to the named lair, i didn't realize the little "swamp" link specifically meant juib's swamp. i'd change it but i don't have a strong feeling about how it should look, i just think it should be easier to find. [[User:Testbutt\|Testbutt]] ([[User talk:Testbutt\|talk]]) 03:17, 1 March 2021 (UTC)	+	the link to juiblex's lair is kinda hidden on juiblex's page. i was looking all over for a link to the named lair, i didn't realize the little "swamp" link specifically meant juib's swamp. i'd change it but i don't have a strong feeling about how it should look, i just think it should be easier to find. [[User:Testbutt\|Testbutt]] ([[User talk:Testbutt\|talk]]) 03:17, 1 March 2021 (UTC) edit: hotfixed it.

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−	the link to juiblex's lair is kinda hidden on juiblex's page. i was looking all over for a link to the named lair, i didn't realize the little "swamp" link specifically meant juib's swamp. i'd change it but i don't have a strong feeling about how it should look, i just think it should be easier to find. ~~	+	the link to juiblex's lair is kinda hidden on juiblex's page. i was looking all over for a link to the named lair, i didn't realize the little "swamp" link specifically meant juib's swamp. i'd change it but i don't have a strong feeling about how it should look, i just think it should be easier to find. [[User:Testbutt\|Testbutt]] ([[User talk:Testbutt\|talk]]) 03:17, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

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	I was down Juiblex's way a couple weeks ago (NetHack 3.7 on Hardfought.org) and it seemed he wouldn't engulf as long as I was over water. Maybe there was some other reason--but it was VERY surprising, because the first I see of him has always been the inside of his stomach. Maybe I was wearing a ring of slow digestion...I don't remember. Perhaps a change, or bug, in 3.7? Can someone check that out next time you're down that way?--[[User:Thidwick\|Thidwick]] ([[User talk:Thidwick\|talk]]) 06:35, 28 December 2020 (UTC)		I was down Juiblex's way a couple weeks ago (NetHack 3.7 on Hardfought.org) and it seemed he wouldn't engulf as long as I was over water. Maybe there was some other reason--but it was VERY surprising, because the first I see of him has always been the inside of his stomach. Maybe I was wearing a ring of slow digestion...I don't remember. Perhaps a change, or bug, in 3.7? Can someone check that out next time you're down that way?--[[User:Thidwick\|Thidwick]] ([[User talk:Thidwick\|talk]]) 06:35, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
	:never mind. just tested. he can fly an engulf while you're over water. must have been something else.--[[User:Thidwick\|Thidwick]] ([[User talk:Thidwick\|talk]]) 06:36, 6 January 2021 (UTC)		:never mind. just tested. he can fly an engulf while you're over water. must have been something else.--[[User:Thidwick\|Thidwick]] ([[User talk:Thidwick\|talk]]) 06:36, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
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		+	== cleverly-hidden link ==
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		+	the link to juiblex's lair is kinda hidden on juiblex's page. i was looking all over for a link to the named lair, i didn't realize the little "swamp" link specifically meant juib's swamp. i'd change it but i don't have a strong feeling about how it should look, i just think it should be easier to find. ~~

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	I was down Juiblex's way a couple weeks ago (NetHack 3.7 on Hardfought.org) and it seemed he wouldn't engulf as long as I was over water. Maybe there was some other reason--but it was VERY surprising, because the first I see of him has always been the inside of his stomach. Maybe I was wearing a ring of slow digestion...I don't remember. Perhaps a change, or bug, in 3.7? Can someone check that out next time you're down that way?--[[User:Thidwick\|Thidwick]] ([[User talk:Thidwick\|talk]]) 06:35, 28 December 2020 (UTC)		I was down Juiblex's way a couple weeks ago (NetHack 3.7 on Hardfought.org) and it seemed he wouldn't engulf as long as I was over water. Maybe there was some other reason--but it was VERY surprising, because the first I see of him has always been the inside of his stomach. Maybe I was wearing a ring of slow digestion...I don't remember. Perhaps a change, or bug, in 3.7? Can someone check that out next time you're down that way?--[[User:Thidwick\|Thidwick]] ([[User talk:Thidwick\|talk]]) 06:35, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
		+	:never mind. just tested. he can fly an engulf while you're over water. must have been something else.--[[User:Thidwick\|Thidwick]] ([[User talk:Thidwick\|talk]]) 06:36, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

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	::Confirmed that this will make him wear amulets; his MR is a problem but I suppose casting spells at him multiple times is nothing compared to the effort required to get 120 amulets in the first place. Fortunately you do not need to alternate spells; casting speed monster while he is already fast works fine.		::Confirmed that this will make him wear amulets; his MR is a problem but I suppose casting spells at him multiple times is nothing compared to the effort required to get 120 amulets in the first place. Fortunately you do not need to alternate spells; casting speed monster while he is already fast works fine.
	::However, killing him and letting him be lifesaved isn't counting as a kill. And the source agrees with this; the death count of a monster is incremented in [[Source:Ref/mondead\|mondead]], which returns near the start of the function if the monster was lifesaved. So while this will enable you to kill juiblex 120 times, it will still count as one in the monsters vanquished screen. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] ([[User talk:Qazmlpok\|talk]]) 19:26, 1 June 2012 (UTC)		::However, killing him and letting him be lifesaved isn't counting as a kill. And the source agrees with this; the death count of a monster is incremented in [[Source:Ref/mondead\|mondead]], which returns near the start of the function if the monster was lifesaved. So while this will enable you to kill juiblex 120 times, it will still count as one in the monsters vanquished screen. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] ([[User talk:Qazmlpok\|talk]]) 19:26, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
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		+	== Prevent engulfing ==
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		+	I was down Juiblex's way a couple weeks ago (NetHack 3.7 on Hardfought.org) and it seemed he wouldn't engulf as long as I was over water. Maybe there was some other reason--but it was VERY surprising, because the first I see of him has always been the inside of his stomach. Maybe I was wearing a ring of slow digestion...I don't remember. Perhaps a change, or bug, in 3.7? Can someone check that out next time you're down that way?--[[User:Thidwick\|Thidwick]] ([[User talk:Thidwick\|talk]]) 06:35, 28 December 2020 (UTC)

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	:# [[Source:Ref/bhitm\|bhitm]] (if zapped with [[slow monster]]s or [[speed monster]]s)		:# [[Source:Ref/bhitm\|bhitm]] (if zapped with [[slow monster]]s or [[speed monster]]s)
	: You could prep Juiblex with a bunch of life saving amulets. Then you could slow or speed him, watch him put things on, and re-kill him. Repeat until you have your 120 kills. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] ([[User talk:Tjr\|talk]]) 18:02, 1 June 2012 (UTC)		: You could prep Juiblex with a bunch of life saving amulets. Then you could slow or speed him, watch him put things on, and re-kill him. Repeat until you have your 120 kills. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] ([[User talk:Tjr\|talk]]) 18:02, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
		+	::Confirmed that this will make him wear amulets; his MR is a problem but I suppose casting spells at him multiple times is nothing compared to the effort required to get 120 amulets in the first place. Fortunately you do not need to alternate spells; casting speed monster while he is already fast works fine.
		+	::However, killing him and letting him be lifesaved isn't counting as a kill. And the source agrees with this; the death count of a monster is incremented in [[Source:Ref/mondead\|mondead]], which returns near the start of the function if the monster was lifesaved. So while this will enable you to kill juiblex 120 times, it will still count as one in the monsters vanquished screen. -- [[User:Qazmlpok\|Qazmlpok]] ([[User talk:Qazmlpok\|talk]]) 19:26, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

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	::::::The [http://alt.org/nethack/userdata/b/bcode/ttyrec/2012-05-09.10:00:04.ttyrec.bz2 ttyrec] (near frame 2130) shows Juiblex indeed was generated with a wand of digging. --[[User:Bcode\|Bcode]] ([[User talk:Bcode\|talk]]) 11:46, 1 June 2012 (UTC)		::::::The [http://alt.org/nethack/userdata/b/bcode/ttyrec/2012-05-09.10:00:04.ttyrec.bz2 ttyrec] (near frame 2130) shows Juiblex indeed was generated with a wand of digging. --[[User:Bcode\|Bcode]] ([[User talk:Bcode\|talk]]) 11:46, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
	:::::::Ok, maybe I just didn't make enough Juiblices. Still, it seems as though, if he were being generated with an amulet of life saving 1/80 or 1/200 of the time (1/40 chance, 1/2 or 1/5 chance for a misc. item, depending which stat is used for the level check there), we'd have heard more about it. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] ([[User talk:Ion frigate\|talk]]) 12:12, 1 June 2012 (UTC)		:::::::Ok, maybe I just didn't make enough Juiblices. Still, it seems as though, if he were being generated with an amulet of life saving 1/80 or 1/200 of the time (1/40 chance, 1/2 or 1/5 chance for a misc. item, depending which stat is used for the level check there), we'd have heard more about it. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] ([[User talk:Ion frigate\|talk]]) 12:12, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
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		+	:The "monster puts things on" function [[worn.c#m_dowear]] takes care of all inventory whenever it is called. The most important calls to m_dowear are:
		+	:# [[Source:Ref/dog_invent\|dog_invent]] (pets only)
		+	:# [[Source:Ref/makemon\|makemon]] (one call at creation time)
		+	:# [[Source:Ref/mpickstuff\|mpickstuff]]
		+	:# [[Source:Ref/newcham\|newcham]] (shapeshifters only)
		+	:# [[Source:Ref/bhitm\|bhitm]] (if zapped with [[slow monster]]s or [[speed monster]]s)
		+	: You could prep Juiblex with a bunch of life saving amulets. Then you could slow or speed him, watch him put things on, and re-kill him. Repeat until you have your 120 kills. --[[User:Tjr\|Tjr]] ([[User talk:Tjr\|talk]]) 18:02, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

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	:::::I'm quite sure Juiblex was once generated with a [[wand of digging]] in one of my games; I might see if I can find the ttyrec for this. --[[User:Bcode\|Bcode]] ([[User talk:Bcode\|talk]]) 11:23, 1 June 2012 (UTC)		:::::I'm quite sure Juiblex was once generated with a [[wand of digging]] in one of my games; I might see if I can find the ttyrec for this. --[[User:Bcode\|Bcode]] ([[User talk:Bcode\|talk]]) 11:23, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
	::::::The [http://alt.org/nethack/userdata/b/bcode/ttyrec/2012-05-09.10:00:04.ttyrec.bz2 ttyrec] (near frame 2130) shows Juiblex indeed was generated with a wand of digging. --[[User:Bcode\|Bcode]] ([[User talk:Bcode\|talk]]) 11:46, 1 June 2012 (UTC)		::::::The [http://alt.org/nethack/userdata/b/bcode/ttyrec/2012-05-09.10:00:04.ttyrec.bz2 ttyrec] (near frame 2130) shows Juiblex indeed was generated with a wand of digging. --[[User:Bcode\|Bcode]] ([[User talk:Bcode\|talk]]) 11:46, 1 June 2012 (UTC)
		+	:::::::Ok, maybe I just didn't make enough Juiblices. Still, it seems as though, if he were being generated with an amulet of life saving 1/80 or 1/200 of the time (1/40 chance, 1/2 or 1/5 chance for a misc. item, depending which stat is used for the level check there), we'd have heard more about it. -[[User:Ion frigate\|Ion frigate]] ([[User talk:Ion frigate\|talk]]) 12:12, 1 June 2012 (UTC)